Root Cause of Most Mass Shootings in America

[Rigby5]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

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Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

Wow...you are dumb...

Look up the Russian revolution.
It was started by many diverse groups, including socialists, communists, anarchists (libertarians), etc., but by around 1925 or so, all the actual socialists, communists, etc., had all been killed by Stalin, and Stalin was never anything but a right wing capitalist.

 

[rightwinger]

If it came already with a scope, then it was a WWI era scope, which was awful.
Very low power, like 3x, and very narrow field of vision, like 25 mm.
And it would need careful readjustment to repair it being banged around in shipping.

I agree with you

I think Oswald missed his first shot because he was trying to follow a moving target with that crappy scope.

I believe he may have abandoned the scope and used the rifle sights on the next two shots that killed the President

What makes the conspiracy part believable was that Oswald was killed. That is some whacked security for a major police department.

Only problem is that Ruby was at Western Union sending an electronic cash transfer six minutes before he shot Oswald. The receipt was in his pocket.

Nobody knew when Oswald would be transferred. Why would someone planning to shoot Oswald risk missing the transfer by going to Western Union?

 

[Zorro!]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

It doesn't change the fact that JKF was murdered by a communist.

 

[Zorro!]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Was Oswald a communist?

Yes.

... I strongly doubt that...

Too fkn bad, it's a fact of history.

Despite his socialist leanings, Oswald enlisted in the Marines and in 1957 was stationed in Atsugi, Japan. While there, he earned the nickname “Osvaldovich.” As his fellow Marine, Owen Dejanovich, explained to FRONTLINE:

If you complained about, “Oh, we’ve got to go on a march this morning” or “We’ve got to do this this morning,” scrub barracks or whatever we had to do, if you were complaining about it, he would — he would say that that was the capitalist form of government making us do these things. Karl Marx and his form of government would alleviate that.

8 Things You May Not Know About Lee Harvey Oswald | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

For 50 years, Lee Harvey Oswald has remained the enigmatic figure at the center of the Kennedy assassination. Was he a lone gunman? A conspirator? A patsy?

www.pbs.org

Oswald attempted suicide in Russia
In 1959, Oswald travelled to Moscow in hopes of becoming a Soviet citizen. “I want citizenship because I am a communist and a worker,” he wrote in his request for citizenship. “I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

When his request was denied, Oswald became despondent. “I am shocked!! My dreams!”, he wrote in his what he called his “historic” diary. “My fondes [sic] dreams are shattered … I decide to end it. Soak rist [sic] in cold water to numb the pain. Than slash my left wrist.”

Oswald was found unconscious in his bathtub shortly after he finished his diary entry and then rushed to a local hospital. Days later, Russian officials changed course and allowed him to stay in the country.

His alias was “Alek J. Hidell”
By 1962, Oswald was back in the United States and working in a photo lab in downtown Dallas. Using the lab’s photo equipment, he began to forge a new identity, including a Selective Service card, in the name of “Alek J. Hidell.”

Oswald went on to open a post office box, where he would have mail sent under both his birth name as well as his alias. Among the publications he received were The Worker, the newspaper of the American Communist Party, as well as The Militant, the paper of the Socialist Workers Party.

Following the Kennedy assassination, the FBI would trace the purchase of a rifle found inside the Texas School Book Depository to an A. Hidell. However, when asked by the Dallas Police whether he had ever used the name, Oswald said no.

According to author Priscilla McMillen, Oswald’s wife Marina once asked him if he chose the name “Hidell” because of its resemblance to “Fidel” (as in Castro). Oswald “was embarrassed to be caught out, and he told her to shut up,” McMillen told FRONTLINE.

He was linked to an assassination attempt before JFK
Seven months before the Kennedy assassination, Oswald allegedly fired into the home of an ultra-right wing, anti-communist, Army general named Edwin Walker. The bullet, which missed Walker, was linked to Oswald’s ammunition after the Kennedy assassination.

Gerald Posner, the author of Case Closed recounted what’s known about Oswald’s actions:

Oswald had an entire book of operations for his Walker action, including photographs of Walker’s house, photographs of an area that he intended to stash the rifle, maps that he had drawn very carefully, statements of political purpose.
In the end, he wanted this to be an important historical feat, and this was to be the documentation left behind.

His feelings about JFK were mixed
According to an account published in The New York Times by Paul Gregory, a friend of Oswald’s.

“Lee disliked him for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. … he hated the system Kennedy stood for,” said Posner. “He despised America. He despised capitalism. When he eventually had the opportunity to strike against Kennedy, it was that symbol of the system that he was going after.”

He considered hijacking a plane to Cuba
According to McMillan, Oswald wanted to help train Castro’s army in Cuba, but because he could not secure a visa, he was forced to devise an alternative plan. As McMillan told FRONTLINE:

Lee wanted to go to Cuba to help teach the Cuban army how to shoot. He decided the way to go was to skyjack an airplane. He told Marina that he would sit in the front row of the airplane cabin. She would sit in the back row with June. At a certain point, he would put a gun in the back of the pilot of the aircraft. She would stand up and keep the entire passenger contingent at bay with a pistol, and would speak to them. She would speak to the crowd and tell them to be quiet. Marina laughed at him, and said, “Well, but I don’t speak English. How am I going to explain to them?” Eventually she laughed him out of the skyjacking plan, and she begged him to find a legal way to get to Cuba. Then he thought of going through Mexico.

Weird how your dope smoking commie lib professor hid all this from you.

... , since a communist would not likely have joined the military back then...

Fake News. The historical record is clear.

... Nor do we have much in the way of indications...

More fake news, the weight breath and mass of evidence is overwhelming to the point that only a committed cultist could deny it.

... And none of it makes much sense...

A Castro worshipping, USSR sympathizing Leftist murdered the president of the United States, there is no mystery here. The tension is the Castro loving, USSR sympathizing Left's dilemma, alone. We warn you guys of this constantly, these deadly ideologies you guys are drawn to, like an abused woman horny for the next guy that beats her, are dangerous and not just to us, they will not spare you either. RFK was murdered by a Palestinian.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?

Simple routine tasks.


www.outdoorlife.com › easy-scope-mounting-techniques

Jun 12, 2019 — Outdoor life's One-Shot Sight-In Method · 1. Fire a Sighting Shot Before firing your sighting shot, make sure your rifle is unloaded and solidly ...

 

[Zorro!]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

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Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

Wow...you are dumb...

Look up the Russian revolution.
It was started by many diverse groups, including socialists, communists, anarchists (libertarians), etc., but by around 1925 or so, all the actual socialists, communists, etc., had all been killed by Stalin, and Stalin was never anything but a right wing capitalist.

Fake News. Stalin was an avowed Communist and never allowed Free Markets

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

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View attachment 260546

Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

I disagree 100%

To the contrary we coddle our children to a ridiculous degree.
We give them trophies for losing so they never fully understand the principles of getting up and trying harder.
We drug our children for acting like children.
We confuse them with absurd social standards.
We "socially" promote them in school despite failing grades.
We removed the importance of the nuclear family unit.
We diminish the roles of fathers.
Etc...

 

[Rigby5]

If it came already with a scope, then it was a WWI era scope, which was awful.
Very low power, like 3x, and very narrow field of vision, like 25 mm.
And it would need careful readjustment to repair it being banged around in shipping.

I agree with you

I think Oswald missed his first shot because he was trying to follow a moving target with that crappy scope.

I believe he may have abandoned the scope and used the rifle sights on the next two shots that killed the President

What makes the conspiracy part believable was that Oswald was killed. That is some whacked security for a major police department.

Only problem is that Ruby was at Western Union sending an electronic cash transfer six minutes before he shot Oswald. The receipt was in his pocket.

Nobody knew when Oswald would be transferred. Why would someone planning to shoot Oswald risk missing the transfer by going to Western Union?

Then it seems likely that they would not do the transfer until they saw that Ruby was ready?

 

[Rigby5]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

It doesn't change the fact that JKF was murdered by a communist.

No, Oswald was a US veteran who likely was pretending to want to work for Russia or Cuba, and saw through the ploy.
If he really was a communist, then he would have gone to a country with a large communist party, like Sweden, Italy, France, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Was Oswald a communist?

Yes.

... I strongly doubt that...

Too fkn bad, it's a fact of history.

Despite his socialist leanings, Oswald enlisted in the Marines and in 1957 was stationed in Atsugi, Japan. While there, he earned the nickname “Osvaldovich.” As his fellow Marine, Owen Dejanovich, explained to FRONTLINE:

If you complained about, “Oh, we’ve got to go on a march this morning” or “We’ve got to do this this morning,” scrub barracks or whatever we had to do, if you were complaining about it, he would — he would say that that was the capitalist form of government making us do these things. Karl Marx and his form of government would alleviate that.

8 Things You May Not Know About Lee Harvey Oswald | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

For 50 years, Lee Harvey Oswald has remained the enigmatic figure at the center of the Kennedy assassination. Was he a lone gunman? A conspirator? A patsy?

www.pbs.org

Oswald attempted suicide in Russia
In 1959, Oswald travelled to Moscow in hopes of becoming a Soviet citizen. “I want citizenship because I am a communist and a worker,” he wrote in his request for citizenship. “I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

When his request was denied, Oswald became despondent. “I am shocked!! My dreams!”, he wrote in his what he called his “historic” diary. “My fondes [sic] dreams are shattered … I decide to end it. Soak rist [sic] in cold water to numb the pain. Than slash my left wrist.”

Oswald was found unconscious in his bathtub shortly after he finished his diary entry and then rushed to a local hospital. Days later, Russian officials changed course and allowed him to stay in the country.

His alias was “Alek J. Hidell”
By 1962, Oswald was back in the United States and working in a photo lab in downtown Dallas. Using the lab’s photo equipment, he began to forge a new identity, including a Selective Service card, in the name of “Alek J. Hidell.”

Oswald went on to open a post office box, where he would have mail sent under both his birth name as well as his alias. Among the publications he received were The Worker, the newspaper of the American Communist Party, as well as The Militant, the paper of the Socialist Workers Party.

Following the Kennedy assassination, the FBI would trace the purchase of a rifle found inside the Texas School Book Depository to an A. Hidell. However, when asked by the Dallas Police whether he had ever used the name, Oswald said no.

According to author Priscilla McMillen, Oswald’s wife Marina once asked him if he chose the name “Hidell” because of its resemblance to “Fidel” (as in Castro). Oswald “was embarrassed to be caught out, and he told her to shut up,” McMillen told FRONTLINE.

He was linked to an assassination attempt before JFK
Seven months before the Kennedy assassination, Oswald allegedly fired into the home of an ultra-right wing, anti-communist, Army general named Edwin Walker. The bullet, which missed Walker, was linked to Oswald’s ammunition after the Kennedy assassination.

Gerald Posner, the author of Case Closed recounted what’s known about Oswald’s actions:

Oswald had an entire book of operations for his Walker action, including photographs of Walker’s house, photographs of an area that he intended to stash the rifle, maps that he had drawn very carefully, statements of political purpose.
In the end, he wanted this to be an important historical feat, and this was to be the documentation left behind.

His feelings about JFK were mixed
According to an account published in The New York Times by Paul Gregory, a friend of Oswald’s.

“Lee disliked him for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. … he hated the system Kennedy stood for,” said Posner. “He despised America. He despised capitalism. When he eventually had the opportunity to strike against Kennedy, it was that symbol of the system that he was going after.”

He considered hijacking a plane to Cuba
According to McMillan, Oswald wanted to help train Castro’s army in Cuba, but because he could not secure a visa, he was forced to devise an alternative plan. As McMillan told FRONTLINE:

Lee wanted to go to Cuba to help teach the Cuban army how to shoot. He decided the way to go was to skyjack an airplane. He told Marina that he would sit in the front row of the airplane cabin. She would sit in the back row with June. At a certain point, he would put a gun in the back of the pilot of the aircraft. She would stand up and keep the entire passenger contingent at bay with a pistol, and would speak to them. She would speak to the crowd and tell them to be quiet. Marina laughed at him, and said, “Well, but I don’t speak English. How am I going to explain to them?” Eventually she laughed him out of the skyjacking plan, and she begged him to find a legal way to get to Cuba. Then he thought of going through Mexico.

Weird how your dope smoking commie lib professor hid all this from you.

... , since a communist would not likely have joined the military back then...

Fake News. The historical record is clear.

... Nor do we have much in the way of indications...

More fake news, the weight breath and mass of evidence is overwhelming to the point that only a committed cultist could deny it.

... And none of it makes much sense...

A Castro worshipping, USSR sympathizing Leftist murdered the president of the United States, there is no mystery here. The tension is the Castro loving, USSR sympathizing Left's dilemma, alone. We warn you guys of this constantly, these deadly ideologies you guys are drawn to, like an abused woman horny for the next guy that beats her, are dangerous and not just to us, they will not spare you either. RFK was murdered by a Palestinian.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?

Simple routine tasks.


www.outdoorlife.com › easy-scope-mounting-techniques

Jun 12, 2019 — Outdoor life's One-Shot Sight-In Method · 1. Fire a Sighting Shot Before firing your sighting shot, make sure your rifle is unloaded and solidly ...

No indications of communist beliefs in the least.
No one believing in communism would go to Russia, which was then strictly state capitalism.
And Russia is still strictly capitalist, but now allows more individual entrapenurism.

Sighting in a scope is a routine task, but one that becomes impossible if you do not have a car and therefore can not transport the rifle to a range/

 

[Rigby5]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

View attachment 260547
View attachment 260546

Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

Wow...you are dumb...

Look up the Russian revolution.
It was started by many diverse groups, including socialists, communists, anarchists (libertarians), etc., but by around 1925 or so, all the actual socialists, communists, etc., had all been killed by Stalin, and Stalin was never anything but a right wing capitalist.

Fake News. Stalin was an avowed Communist and never allowed Free Markets

That is silly.
No one who knows anything at all about communism would call Stalin a communist.
It is capitalists who do not want free and fair markets.
Haven't you ever heard of monopolies?

 

[Rigby5]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

View attachment 260547
View attachment 260546

Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

I disagree 100%

To the contrary we coddle our children to a ridiculous degree.
We give them trophies for losing so they never fully understand the principles of getting up and trying harder.
We drug our children for acting like children.
We confuse them with absurd social standards.
We "socially" promote them in school despite failing grades.
We removed the importance of the nuclear family unit.
We diminish the roles of fathers.
Etc...

And most important is that we don't teach children that governments are inherently corrupt and that we need individuals to be ever vigilant against government corruption.
The last 30 years of gun control would never have been acceptable to previous generations.

 

[Zorro!]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

View attachment 260547
View attachment 260546

Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

Wow...you are dumb...

Look up the Russian revolution.
It was started by many diverse groups, including socialists, communists, anarchists (libertarians), etc., but by around 1925 or so, all the actual socialists, communists, etc., had all been killed by Stalin, and Stalin was never anything but a right wing capitalist.

Fake News. Stalin was an avowed Communist and never allowed Free Markets

That is silly.
No one who knows anything at all about communism would call Stalin a communist...

Fake News. He was an ideologically committed Communist and head of the world's largest Socialist Union, the USSR.

... do not want free and fair markets...

We most certainly are committed to the free exchange of labor, goods and capital...

Haven't you ever heard of monopolies?

Yes, the abuse of monopoly power interferes with the free flow of labor goods and capital, that is why we have anti-trust laws.

 

[Zorro!]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Was Oswald a communist?

Yes.

... I strongly doubt that...

Too fkn bad, it's a fact of history.

Despite his socialist leanings, Oswald enlisted in the Marines and in 1957 was stationed in Atsugi, Japan. While there, he earned the nickname “Osvaldovich.” As his fellow Marine, Owen Dejanovich, explained to FRONTLINE:

If you complained about, “Oh, we’ve got to go on a march this morning” or “We’ve got to do this this morning,” scrub barracks or whatever we had to do, if you were complaining about it, he would — he would say that that was the capitalist form of government making us do these things. Karl Marx and his form of government would alleviate that.

8 Things You May Not Know About Lee Harvey Oswald | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

For 50 years, Lee Harvey Oswald has remained the enigmatic figure at the center of the Kennedy assassination. Was he a lone gunman? A conspirator? A patsy?

www.pbs.org

Oswald attempted suicide in Russia
In 1959, Oswald travelled to Moscow in hopes of becoming a Soviet citizen. “I want citizenship because I am a communist and a worker,” he wrote in his request for citizenship. “I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

When his request was denied, Oswald became despondent. “I am shocked!! My dreams!”, he wrote in his what he called his “historic” diary. “My fondes [sic] dreams are shattered … I decide to end it. Soak rist [sic] in cold water to numb the pain. Than slash my left wrist.”

Oswald was found unconscious in his bathtub shortly after he finished his diary entry and then rushed to a local hospital. Days later, Russian officials changed course and allowed him to stay in the country.

His alias was “Alek J. Hidell”
By 1962, Oswald was back in the United States and working in a photo lab in downtown Dallas. Using the lab’s photo equipment, he began to forge a new identity, including a Selective Service card, in the name of “Alek J. Hidell.”

Oswald went on to open a post office box, where he would have mail sent under both his birth name as well as his alias. Among the publications he received were The Worker, the newspaper of the American Communist Party, as well as The Militant, the paper of the Socialist Workers Party.

Following the Kennedy assassination, the FBI would trace the purchase of a rifle found inside the Texas School Book Depository to an A. Hidell. However, when asked by the Dallas Police whether he had ever used the name, Oswald said no.

According to author Priscilla McMillen, Oswald’s wife Marina once asked him if he chose the name “Hidell” because of its resemblance to “Fidel” (as in Castro). Oswald “was embarrassed to be caught out, and he told her to shut up,” McMillen told FRONTLINE.

He was linked to an assassination attempt before JFK
Seven months before the Kennedy assassination, Oswald allegedly fired into the home of an ultra-right wing, anti-communist, Army general named Edwin Walker. The bullet, which missed Walker, was linked to Oswald’s ammunition after the Kennedy assassination.

Gerald Posner, the author of Case Closed recounted what’s known about Oswald’s actions:

Oswald had an entire book of operations for his Walker action, including photographs of Walker’s house, photographs of an area that he intended to stash the rifle, maps that he had drawn very carefully, statements of political purpose.
In the end, he wanted this to be an important historical feat, and this was to be the documentation left behind.

His feelings about JFK were mixed
According to an account published in The New York Times by Paul Gregory, a friend of Oswald’s.

“Lee disliked him for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. … he hated the system Kennedy stood for,” said Posner. “He despised America. He despised capitalism. When he eventually had the opportunity to strike against Kennedy, it was that symbol of the system that he was going after.”

He considered hijacking a plane to Cuba
According to McMillan, Oswald wanted to help train Castro’s army in Cuba, but because he could not secure a visa, he was forced to devise an alternative plan. As McMillan told FRONTLINE:

Lee wanted to go to Cuba to help teach the Cuban army how to shoot. He decided the way to go was to skyjack an airplane. He told Marina that he would sit in the front row of the airplane cabin. She would sit in the back row with June. At a certain point, he would put a gun in the back of the pilot of the aircraft. She would stand up and keep the entire passenger contingent at bay with a pistol, and would speak to them. She would speak to the crowd and tell them to be quiet. Marina laughed at him, and said, “Well, but I don’t speak English. How am I going to explain to them?” Eventually she laughed him out of the skyjacking plan, and she begged him to find a legal way to get to Cuba. Then he thought of going through Mexico.

Weird how your dope smoking commie lib professor hid all this from you.

... , since a communist would not likely have joined the military back then...

Fake News. The historical record is clear.

... Nor do we have much in the way of indications...

More fake news, the weight breath and mass of evidence is overwhelming to the point that only a committed cultist could deny it.

... And none of it makes much sense...

A Castro worshipping, USSR sympathizing Leftist murdered the president of the United States, there is no mystery here. The tension is the Castro loving, USSR sympathizing Left's dilemma, alone. We warn you guys of this constantly, these deadly ideologies you guys are drawn to, like an abused woman horny for the next guy that beats her, are dangerous and not just to us, they will not spare you either. RFK was murdered by a Palestinian.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?

Simple routine tasks.


www.outdoorlife.com › easy-scope-mounting-techniques

Jun 12, 2019 — Outdoor life's One-Shot Sight-In Method · 1. Fire a Sighting Shot Before firing your sighting shot, make sure your rifle is unloaded and solidly ...

No indications of communist beliefs in the least.
No one believing in communism would go to Russia, which was then strictly state capitalism.
And Russia is still strictly capitalist, but now allows more individual entrapenurism.

Sighting in a scope is a routine task, but one that becomes impossible if you do not have a car and therefore can not transport the rifle to a range/

Fake news. He was a communist, he went to Russia, he idolized Castro, he murdered JFK.

 

[Zorro!]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

It doesn't change the fact that JKF was murdered by a communist.

No, Oswald was a US veteran who likely was pretending to want to work for Russia or Cuba, and saw through the ploy.
If he really was a communist, then he would have gone to a country with a large communist party, like Sweden, Italy, France, etc.

Obviously you don't want to believe that Communist murdered JFK, even though it is an historical fact.

How are you on the fact that a Palestinian murdered RFK?

 

[Rigby5]

Two graphs because the first only goes to 2015 and the second starts in 1982.

View attachment 260547
View attachment 260546

Americans have always owned guns. My father and his friends took rifles to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards. Machine guns and even cannons were owned by citizens through much of American history.

So what changed during the 1960’s to start this upward trend?

I’ll offer a theory as to what occurred. If you don’t like it, fine. But offer your own theory as to the catalyst that started this.

Since 1962 school children have no longer been told they are special and we are all created equal in the image of God. This was replaced by teaching children they are no more significant than a tree in a forest. Since then the number of Christians in America has been on the decline, replaced by people who now feel no embarrassment about wanting to murder babies after they are born.

The greatest trick Satan ever played was convincing people he does not exist.

If you don’t like the theory, fine. Then offer your own without the personal attacks.

RWNJs on conservative hate radio fired up in the early 1970s, spreading racism, hatred, and conspiracy theories. Gotta have something to do with it.

Yeah, that's it. Conservative radio pissed off the left and the left went insane.

You may be right

Lol, it ain't "the left" that's gone nuts kid.

The El Paso shooter was an environmental extremist who hated immigrants because of the damage to the environment....he was also anti-corporation, and anti-automation....

the Dayton shooter....member of antifa, declared democrat and socialist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Sanders....

The left went nuts from the beginning......that is why they murdered close to 100 million people trying to create utopia...

About the only way to come up with 100 million is to add the right wing WWI, and WWII, together with the right wing Stalinism of Russia and China.

Are you stupid? Stalinism is not Right wing, neither were the socialists in Germany, china, cambodia, cuba ..........

25 million murdered by socialists in Russia, at least.

70 million or more murdered by socialists in China, at least.

1.7 million murdered in tiny cambodia by the socialists.....

Of course Stalinism is extremely right wing.
It is profit motivated for a wealthy elite.
Can't get any more right wing than that.
Russia, China, Cambodia, etc., were not at all even remotely socialist, because socialism requires a cooperative and collaborative democratic republic.
When you have a central dictatorship favoring the elite, that is right wing capitalism.

Wow...you are dumb...

Look up the Russian revolution.
It was started by many diverse groups, including socialists, communists, anarchists (libertarians), etc., but by around 1925 or so, all the actual socialists, communists, etc., had all been killed by Stalin, and Stalin was never anything but a right wing capitalist.

Fake News. Stalin was an avowed Communist and never allowed Free Markets

That is silly.
No one who knows anything at all about communism would call Stalin a communist...

Fake News. He was an ideologically committed Communist and head of the world's largest Socialist Union, the USSR.

... do not want free and fair markets...

We most certainly are committed to the free exchange of labor, goods and capital...

Haven't you ever heard of monopolies?

Yes, the abuse of monopoly power interferes with the free flow of labor goods and capital, that is why we have anti-trust laws.

Nonsense.
Stalin was a bankrobber who the actual communists recruited because they needed sources of funding.
Then they made him party secretary because they thought he could not cause much trouble there.
But then he had all the information he needed to kill them all off, one by one.
Stalin was probably the least communist and most capitalist person of the century.

 

[Rigby5]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Was Oswald a communist?

Yes.

... I strongly doubt that...

Too fkn bad, it's a fact of history.

Despite his socialist leanings, Oswald enlisted in the Marines and in 1957 was stationed in Atsugi, Japan. While there, he earned the nickname “Osvaldovich.” As his fellow Marine, Owen Dejanovich, explained to FRONTLINE:

If you complained about, “Oh, we’ve got to go on a march this morning” or “We’ve got to do this this morning,” scrub barracks or whatever we had to do, if you were complaining about it, he would — he would say that that was the capitalist form of government making us do these things. Karl Marx and his form of government would alleviate that.

8 Things You May Not Know About Lee Harvey Oswald | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

For 50 years, Lee Harvey Oswald has remained the enigmatic figure at the center of the Kennedy assassination. Was he a lone gunman? A conspirator? A patsy?

www.pbs.org

Oswald attempted suicide in Russia
In 1959, Oswald travelled to Moscow in hopes of becoming a Soviet citizen. “I want citizenship because I am a communist and a worker,” he wrote in his request for citizenship. “I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

When his request was denied, Oswald became despondent. “I am shocked!! My dreams!”, he wrote in his what he called his “historic” diary. “My fondes [sic] dreams are shattered … I decide to end it. Soak rist [sic] in cold water to numb the pain. Than slash my left wrist.”

Oswald was found unconscious in his bathtub shortly after he finished his diary entry and then rushed to a local hospital. Days later, Russian officials changed course and allowed him to stay in the country.

His alias was “Alek J. Hidell”
By 1962, Oswald was back in the United States and working in a photo lab in downtown Dallas. Using the lab’s photo equipment, he began to forge a new identity, including a Selective Service card, in the name of “Alek J. Hidell.”

Oswald went on to open a post office box, where he would have mail sent under both his birth name as well as his alias. Among the publications he received were The Worker, the newspaper of the American Communist Party, as well as The Militant, the paper of the Socialist Workers Party.

Following the Kennedy assassination, the FBI would trace the purchase of a rifle found inside the Texas School Book Depository to an A. Hidell. However, when asked by the Dallas Police whether he had ever used the name, Oswald said no.

According to author Priscilla McMillen, Oswald’s wife Marina once asked him if he chose the name “Hidell” because of its resemblance to “Fidel” (as in Castro). Oswald “was embarrassed to be caught out, and he told her to shut up,” McMillen told FRONTLINE.

He was linked to an assassination attempt before JFK
Seven months before the Kennedy assassination, Oswald allegedly fired into the home of an ultra-right wing, anti-communist, Army general named Edwin Walker. The bullet, which missed Walker, was linked to Oswald’s ammunition after the Kennedy assassination.

Gerald Posner, the author of Case Closed recounted what’s known about Oswald’s actions:

Oswald had an entire book of operations for his Walker action, including photographs of Walker’s house, photographs of an area that he intended to stash the rifle, maps that he had drawn very carefully, statements of political purpose.
In the end, he wanted this to be an important historical feat, and this was to be the documentation left behind.

His feelings about JFK were mixed
According to an account published in The New York Times by Paul Gregory, a friend of Oswald’s.

“Lee disliked him for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. … he hated the system Kennedy stood for,” said Posner. “He despised America. He despised capitalism. When he eventually had the opportunity to strike against Kennedy, it was that symbol of the system that he was going after.”

He considered hijacking a plane to Cuba
According to McMillan, Oswald wanted to help train Castro’s army in Cuba, but because he could not secure a visa, he was forced to devise an alternative plan. As McMillan told FRONTLINE:

Lee wanted to go to Cuba to help teach the Cuban army how to shoot. He decided the way to go was to skyjack an airplane. He told Marina that he would sit in the front row of the airplane cabin. She would sit in the back row with June. At a certain point, he would put a gun in the back of the pilot of the aircraft. She would stand up and keep the entire passenger contingent at bay with a pistol, and would speak to them. She would speak to the crowd and tell them to be quiet. Marina laughed at him, and said, “Well, but I don’t speak English. How am I going to explain to them?” Eventually she laughed him out of the skyjacking plan, and she begged him to find a legal way to get to Cuba. Then he thought of going through Mexico.

Weird how your dope smoking commie lib professor hid all this from you.

... , since a communist would not likely have joined the military back then...

Fake News. The historical record is clear.

... Nor do we have much in the way of indications...

More fake news, the weight breath and mass of evidence is overwhelming to the point that only a committed cultist could deny it.

... And none of it makes much sense...

A Castro worshipping, USSR sympathizing Leftist murdered the president of the United States, there is no mystery here. The tension is the Castro loving, USSR sympathizing Left's dilemma, alone. We warn you guys of this constantly, these deadly ideologies you guys are drawn to, like an abused woman horny for the next guy that beats her, are dangerous and not just to us, they will not spare you either. RFK was murdered by a Palestinian.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?

Simple routine tasks.


www.outdoorlife.com › easy-scope-mounting-techniques

Jun 12, 2019 — Outdoor life's One-Shot Sight-In Method · 1. Fire a Sighting Shot Before firing your sighting shot, make sure your rifle is unloaded and solidly ...

No indications of communist beliefs in the least.
No one believing in communism would go to Russia, which was then strictly state capitalism.
And Russia is still strictly capitalist, but now allows more individual entrapenurism.

Sighting in a scope is a routine task, but one that becomes impossible if you do not have a car and therefore can not transport the rifle to a range/

Fake news. He was a communist, he went to Russia, he idolized Castro, he murdered JFK.

The reality is he was rejected by Russia and Cuba because they could tell he was just an attempt at installing a plant.
And it was the US military who wanted JFK dead.

 

[Rigby5]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

It doesn't change the fact that JKF was murdered by a communist.

No, Oswald was a US veteran who likely was pretending to want to work for Russia or Cuba, and saw through the ploy.
If he really was a communist, then he would have gone to a country with a large communist party, like Sweden, Italy, France, etc.

Obviously you don't want to believe that Communist murdered JFK, even though it is an historical fact.

How are you on the fact that a Palestinian murdered RFK?

There are lots of communists in the US and Europe.
Have you ever heard of one of them wanting to go to Russia or Cuba?
Of course not, because Russia and Cuba were never remotely communists.
There was nothing communal, collective, collaborative, or cooperative.

 

[Zorro!]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Was Oswald a communist?

Yes.

... I strongly doubt that...

Too fkn bad, it's a fact of history.

Despite his socialist leanings, Oswald enlisted in the Marines and in 1957 was stationed in Atsugi, Japan. While there, he earned the nickname “Osvaldovich.” As his fellow Marine, Owen Dejanovich, explained to FRONTLINE:

If you complained about, “Oh, we’ve got to go on a march this morning” or “We’ve got to do this this morning,” scrub barracks or whatever we had to do, if you were complaining about it, he would — he would say that that was the capitalist form of government making us do these things. Karl Marx and his form of government would alleviate that.

8 Things You May Not Know About Lee Harvey Oswald | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

For 50 years, Lee Harvey Oswald has remained the enigmatic figure at the center of the Kennedy assassination. Was he a lone gunman? A conspirator? A patsy?

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Oswald attempted suicide in Russia
In 1959, Oswald travelled to Moscow in hopes of becoming a Soviet citizen. “I want citizenship because I am a communist and a worker,” he wrote in his request for citizenship. “I have lived in a decadent capitalist society where the workers are slaves.”

When his request was denied, Oswald became despondent. “I am shocked!! My dreams!”, he wrote in his what he called his “historic” diary. “My fondes [sic] dreams are shattered … I decide to end it. Soak rist [sic] in cold water to numb the pain. Than slash my left wrist.”

Oswald was found unconscious in his bathtub shortly after he finished his diary entry and then rushed to a local hospital. Days later, Russian officials changed course and allowed him to stay in the country.

His alias was “Alek J. Hidell”
By 1962, Oswald was back in the United States and working in a photo lab in downtown Dallas. Using the lab’s photo equipment, he began to forge a new identity, including a Selective Service card, in the name of “Alek J. Hidell.”

Oswald went on to open a post office box, where he would have mail sent under both his birth name as well as his alias. Among the publications he received were The Worker, the newspaper of the American Communist Party, as well as The Militant, the paper of the Socialist Workers Party.

Following the Kennedy assassination, the FBI would trace the purchase of a rifle found inside the Texas School Book Depository to an A. Hidell. However, when asked by the Dallas Police whether he had ever used the name, Oswald said no.

According to author Priscilla McMillen, Oswald’s wife Marina once asked him if he chose the name “Hidell” because of its resemblance to “Fidel” (as in Castro). Oswald “was embarrassed to be caught out, and he told her to shut up,” McMillen told FRONTLINE.

He was linked to an assassination attempt before JFK
Seven months before the Kennedy assassination, Oswald allegedly fired into the home of an ultra-right wing, anti-communist, Army general named Edwin Walker. The bullet, which missed Walker, was linked to Oswald’s ammunition after the Kennedy assassination.

Gerald Posner, the author of Case Closed recounted what’s known about Oswald’s actions:

Oswald had an entire book of operations for his Walker action, including photographs of Walker’s house, photographs of an area that he intended to stash the rifle, maps that he had drawn very carefully, statements of political purpose.
In the end, he wanted this to be an important historical feat, and this was to be the documentation left behind.

His feelings about JFK were mixed
According to an account published in The New York Times by Paul Gregory, a friend of Oswald’s.

“Lee disliked him for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. … he hated the system Kennedy stood for,” said Posner. “He despised America. He despised capitalism. When he eventually had the opportunity to strike against Kennedy, it was that symbol of the system that he was going after.”

He considered hijacking a plane to Cuba
According to McMillan, Oswald wanted to help train Castro’s army in Cuba, but because he could not secure a visa, he was forced to devise an alternative plan. As McMillan told FRONTLINE:

Lee wanted to go to Cuba to help teach the Cuban army how to shoot. He decided the way to go was to skyjack an airplane. He told Marina that he would sit in the front row of the airplane cabin. She would sit in the back row with June. At a certain point, he would put a gun in the back of the pilot of the aircraft. She would stand up and keep the entire passenger contingent at bay with a pistol, and would speak to them. She would speak to the crowd and tell them to be quiet. Marina laughed at him, and said, “Well, but I don’t speak English. How am I going to explain to them?” Eventually she laughed him out of the skyjacking plan, and she begged him to find a legal way to get to Cuba. Then he thought of going through Mexico.

Weird how your dope smoking commie lib professor hid all this from you.

... , since a communist would not likely have joined the military back then...

Fake News. The historical record is clear.

... Nor do we have much in the way of indications...

More fake news, the weight breath and mass of evidence is overwhelming to the point that only a committed cultist could deny it.

... And none of it makes much sense...

A Castro worshipping, USSR sympathizing Leftist murdered the president of the United States, there is no mystery here. The tension is the Castro loving, USSR sympathizing Left's dilemma, alone. We warn you guys of this constantly, these deadly ideologies you guys are drawn to, like an abused woman horny for the next guy that beats her, are dangerous and not just to us, they will not spare you either. RFK was murdered by a Palestinian.
For example, supposedly Oswald bought the Carcano Manlicher rifle from a magazine ad, but who put the scope on it, and who sighted it in?

Simple routine tasks.


www.outdoorlife.com › easy-scope-mounting-techniques

Jun 12, 2019 — Outdoor life's One-Shot Sight-In Method · 1. Fire a Sighting Shot Before firing your sighting shot, make sure your rifle is unloaded and solidly ...

No indications of communist beliefs in the least.
No one believing in communism would go to Russia, which was then strictly state capitalism.
And Russia is still strictly capitalist, but now allows more individual entrapenurism.

Sighting in a scope is a routine task, but one that becomes impossible if you do not have a car and therefore can not transport the rifle to a range/

Fake news. He was a communist, he went to Russia, he idolized Castro, he murdered JFK.

The reality is he was rejected by Russia and Cuba because they could tell he was just an attempt at installing a plant.
And it was the US military who wanted JFK dead.

I don't feel like chasing conspiracy rabbits, but, I fully support your right to do so. Enjoy, I'm out.

 

[Zorro!]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

It doesn't change the fact that JKF was murdered by a communist.

No, Oswald was a US veteran who likely was pretending to want to work for Russia or Cuba, and saw through the ploy.
If he really was a communist, then he would have gone to a country with a large communist party, like Sweden, Italy, France, etc.

Obviously you don't want to believe that Communist murdered JFK, even though it is an historical fact.

How are you on the fact that a Palestinian murdered RFK?

There are lots of communists in the US and Europe.
Have you ever heard of one of them wanting to go to Russia or Cuba?
Of course not, because Russia and Cuba were never remotely communists.
There was nothing communal, collective, collaborative, or cooperative.

Communism/Socialism doesn't work. It fails constantly, and with each failure we are assured that if only the sophomore class as Santa Cruz state could implement it, that it would be utopia. History, on the other hand, more strongly supports the finding that Utopians are Murderers.

Here are the facts:

In order to make sure everything is "communal, collective, collaborative, or cooperative" there is a small group that controls a large group, who claim they will wondrously use their authority only for the good of everyone. That's a lie. They use their power to secure wonderful things for themselves and those that are connected to the group that has assumed control.

Our Framers identified this and dispensed with it by explaining that for angels, seperation of power, checks and balances are not necessary, but men are not angels and cannot be trusted with unchecked power.

Now, back to your fraud. Once people realize that effort gets them nothing more, and nothing less than the slothful, everyone quits working, which puts the lifestyle of the small group at the top at risk. When they are at risk, they reach for the whip.

When a small group uses force to control a large group, at some point there will be violent revolution and the large group will slaughter the small group.

Interestingly, William Bradford brought both Communism/Socialism and Free Labor/Free Markets to the New World, and he got both out of the bible. The Plymouth Rock Colony first tried socialism, based on a passage in Acts, and it failed miserably, with empty stomachs, they starved and died. Interestingly, this community in Acts also fell on terrible times of want and had to be bailed out with charitable giving by the other Churches in Asia Minor.

Bradford, at a complete loss, but honest enough to admit error, went back to the scriptures, and found Jesus' parable of "The Talents" and Bradford changed approach, now each person had their own plot, they could produce as they wished, trade freely, and keep the gains of their industry. Productive labor dramatically increased and the colony thrived.

Our Constitutional system is the oldest surviving democracy in the world, and one of the oldest surviving governments in the world. By guaranteeing that Sovereign Power is held by The People, rather than the government, the large group has no need for violent revolution in order to regain power, because we already have the power.

Now, our rights are quite an annoyance to the wanna be totalitarians, but, that's tough shit. In our Constitutional system you will never be able to force others to participate in your failed social experiments. If you want to form a voluntary system that is "communal, collective, collaborative, and cooperative" you are free to do so. So, what's stopping you? Go do it and show us all how "wonderful" it is.

 

[rightwinger]

In my lifetime, I have seen a transition in the shootings

In the 60s and 70s it was assasination
JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford..

In the 70s and 80s it became serial killings
Son of Sam, BTK, Zodiak killer, DC Sniper

After the 80s it became mass killers
Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Parkland

Change in family structure after the 70s, more broken homes with fatherless boys raised by single mothers, and the advent of social media and the spread of fame and techniques of mass shooters.

Doesn’t account for the transition from assasination to serial killer to mass killer

Kennedy's shooter.....father died before he was born......broken home....

There is perhaps nothing crazier in the modern historical profession than the refusal of people who really should know better to acknowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald, a Communist, murdered JFK for political reasons. He was also unhinged, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Oswald was a Communist. He had previously defected to the USSR, but was allowed to return after growing disillusioned. He then became a partisan of the Cuban Revolution, and visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico, trying to defect to Cuba. He was very angry about hostile U.S. policy toward Cuba, and before he killed JFK tried to kill well-known anti-Communist Edwin Walker.

Yet somehow, every November, instead of reminding us of these facts, “mainstream” historians gaslight us and sometimes explicitly state that JFK was the victim of “right wing hate.” They then complain in other contexts about how conservatives purportedly won’t accept “reality.”

The left spent the 1950s and early 60s decrying McCarthyism as a “witch hunt,” i.e., not just that McCarthy was a lying demagogue (which he was), but that there was no domestic Communist threat, whatsoever. Acknowledging that a domestic Communist assassinated a beloved Democrat president ruins the witch-hunt narrative. That narrative has been a huge propaganda advantage for decades, and the won't let it go.

Huh..gotta admit..I never have once heard that JFK was a victim of Right-wing anything. I've always held the view that Oswald was acting as an agent of USSR...JFK had the Kremlin seriously worried that he was going to start..and win..a nuclear war. As we know now..the USSR was a paper tiger as regards its nuclear forces. JFK just wouldn't stop pushing.
So they had a mentally disturbed ex-marine defector with a Russian wife--who better to pull a trigger--Jack Ruby's killing Oswald clipped the loose end...and Ruby's death made it the perfect crime.

Anyone would have been better than someone with a Russian wife.
And Russia was not at all afraid of Kennedy.
Kennedy was much more leftist than the pentagon or the Dulles brothers.
Kennedy is the last person that Russia would have wanted dead.
Kennedy had given in to the Russians on the Cuban MIssile Crisis, and removed our nuclear ICBMs from Turkey.
Kennedy was the most pro-Russia president we ever had.

It doesn't change the fact that JKF was murdered by a communist.

No, Oswald was a US veteran who likely was pretending to want to work for Russia or Cuba, and saw through the ploy.
If he really was a communist, then he would have gone to a country with a large communist party, like Sweden, Italy, France, etc.

Oswald went to Russia because he thought they would treat him like a Big Shot Defector and shower him with the attention he craved.

Instead, they ignored him and gave him a minor factory job. That is why he returned after only a few years