Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

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(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various​

administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”,​

shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.​

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Then do tell me, when a man kills a woman and she is pregnant, the law has repeatedly accused the killer of two murders. Again and again. Society does not care for people who commit multiple murders. No matter how hard you try, you cannot convince science that an unborn child is a separate entity, because after a zygote embeds itself into the mother's womb, it is already a human being. It is what it is. And as a human being, it has certain rights, namely LIFE. The judicial procedures are correct. And under the microscope, that 2-cell zygote has a dna that is like no other in the world of 8 billion people. The fetux is a human being and it is not its mother. It is an individual person, not to be confused with its mother. The DNA says it all. And DNA was discovered by Watson and Crick of Great Britain many years ago. At the time, it seemed phenomenal, but it is the truth. From the time the zygote embeds itself into its host mother, until death, it is a human being, and a separate person from its mom. Shouldn't all human beings have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Yeah, it does. Our Constitution says it does, and the courts have spoken time and time again, if you kill a pregnant woman, you have killed two people and will be incarcerated with other serial killers. Nature and science is full of surprises to Neanderthals.

As a fetus is without constitutional protections , it is private property of the mother , by virtue of self ownership through progeny from principles of individualism .

Any act of illegitimate aggression , whether unintentional or intentional , which causes injury or death to a fetus is an offense against the mother and a punishment for the act can be the same as if the injury or death had happened to the mother .

A clear distinction between legitimate versus illegitimate aggression is informed consent , and because the mother provides consent for an abortion an act of abortion is legitimate , whether or not an abortion is perceived as aggression .

 

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That will be up to each state to decide for itself.

Only by sedition of us 1st , 9th and 14th amendments .

 

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" Shit Talkers Making Sure To Censure The Actual Constitutional Basis For Abortion "

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Human beings are never property.

So says you as a traitor to self ownership which is entitled to individuals per principles of individualism .

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One civil war and 3 amendments didn’t settle this for you, hope you don’t need another war but we clearly need another amendment at least for hateful scum like you.

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Aggression is never legitimate and always grounds for criminal charges.

That is another idiotic assumption , as by principles of non violence , by definition violence is illegitimate aggression , while self defense against violence is legitimate aggression .

To presume that all aggression is illegitimate is blathering stupidity .

" Go fuck yourself ! " , how is that for legitimate aggression ?

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Like abortion - it is always needless premeditated aggressive violence against an innocent human being intentional resulting in their death - a homicide done in cold blood.

The mother doesn’t have the kid’s interests at heart by definition if she is hiring someone to kill the kid, so the mother isn’t fit to give any such thing.

 

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Beautress221118-#5,660 beautress Because if an embryo is a human being you must not kill it unless the mother was raped or would die if she carried a baby to its birth.

NFBW: Am embryo is not a human being with any individual right to continue its development beyond the will of it’s life sustaining host, the mother. That is unless of course the mother has a religious belief that her body and what happens to it belongs to God. That is the case with you I presume. So don’t have an abortion.

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Beautress221118-#5,660 beautress
We tried "reproductive freedom." That baloney killed a million kids a year and more if the abortion was not recorded.

NFBW: Reproductive freedom has killed a high number of not-viable fetuses as a private matter between a pregnant woman and her doctor. No kids were killed. So there is no harm to civil society or to you or to your freedom to believe whatever you want about God and his relationship with a fertilized human egg that CarsomyrPlusSix insists is not a part of its mother.

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Cplus6221118-#5,651 @CarsomyrPlusSix
Like abortion - it is always needless premeditated aggressive violence against an innocent human being intentional resulting in their death - a homicide done in cold blood.

NFBW: How then can it be CarsomyrPlusSix that beautress is ok with cold blooded murderous aggression against an innocent human being that is being carried by a woman who was impregnated as a result of rape or incest or a woman who could die during the process of natural birth? The unborn you contend is always an innocent human being no matter what circumstances brings it into being or if it’s mother suffers consequences during the birthing process.

beautress221118-#5,660 beautress Because if an embryo is a human being you must not kill it unless the mother was raped or would die if she carried a baby to its birth.

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jgalt221118-#17 johngaltshrugged Any point after a human heartbeat is detected is a late term abortion.

NFBW: And who are you?

Pregnancy is often described in three segments called trimesters:​

• First trimester: conception through week 12
• Second trimester: week 13 to 26 of pregnancy
• Third trimester: week 27 until the end of pregnancy, anywhere from 38 to 42 weeks for a full-term delivery

“Late-term” is a medical term used to describe the very end of a pregnancy, after it has reached “full term,” from week 41 onward. Abortions can’t and don’t happen in these late stages of pregnancy.​

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So, you can see how describing second-term abortions as “late-term” abortions is misleading and imprecise. In fact, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) has made it clear that a “late-term abortion” has no medical meaning.​

What percentage of abortions are late-term (second-term) abortions?​

According to data from the CDC, the vast majority, or 91%, of abortions take place during the first trimester of pregnancy. Of the remaining 9% of abortions that happen after the first trimester:​

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• 7.7% happen between weeks 14 and 20
• 1.2% happen at or after week 21

Second-term abortions require specialized care, and only 16% of abortion providers in the U.S. offer services up until week 24 of pregnancy. There are 43 states with laws that restrict how far into pregnancy an abortion can be provided. The latest point in pregnancy that you can have an abortion in the U.S. is 24 weeks.​

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Abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare and happen only in extreme circumstances, usually when there are fetal problems that aren’t compatible with life.​

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ClaireH211222-#116 ClaireH As the embryo grows, it develops a heartbeat (22 days after fertilization), its own circulatory system, and its own organs.


NFBW: When a cardiac electrical activity is detected at six weeks the potential human being is still a part of its mother. It is not capable of surviving without the life-support of the mother. If the mother does not want to take the risk of delivering a new person into the world she has the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. It’s a basic human right that is not canceled because an ultrasound can pick up a flutter of electrical signals in an six week embryo.

A good article on the heartbeat issue:

But according to experts, the term “fetal heartbeat” is misleading and medically inaccurate.​

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“While the heart does begin to develop at around six weeks, at this point the heart as we know it does not yet exist,” said Dr. Ian Fraser Golding, a pediatric and fetal cardiologist at Rady Children’s Hospital San Diego.​

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Instead, at six weeks, the embryo will develop a tube that generates sporadic electrical impulses that eventually coordinate into rhythmic pulses, he said. (Six weeks of pregnancy is closer to four weeks of actual development, because pregnancy is measured from the first day of a woman’s last period, before she is actually pregnant.)​

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That’s far from a fully formed heart, with four chambers and valves that pump blood throughout the body.​

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The correct medical term for what’s observed at this point is “cardiac activity,” said Dr. Sarah Prager, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at University of Washington Medicine.​

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“It’s not until about 10 weeks that there is an actual structure that has four tubes and connects to the lungs and major vascular system like we would think of as a heart,” she said.​

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It’s around 10 weeks of pregnancy that the embryo becomes a fetus. It remains a fetus until birth.​

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But defining a heartbeat is tricky even after 10 weeks, said Dr. Nisha Verma, an OB/GYN who spoke on behalf of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, because the heart continues to develop over the course of the pregnancy.​

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It’s not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG.​

An emotional touchpoint ​

While what exists at six weeks isn’t a beating heart, pregnant people hear something during an ultrasound early in pregnancy.​

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Medically speaking, when I put a stethoscope against a patient’s heart, that ‘lub dub’ sound is made by the opening and closing of the cardiac valve,” Verma said. “At six weeks, those valves don’t exist.”​

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In fact, the sound pregnant people hear during ultrasounds at six weeks is entirely manufactured by the ultrasound machine, Verma said. “It’s an electrical pulse that’s translated into the sound we’re hearing from the ultrasound machine.”​

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What’s more, the electrical pulse from the embryo almost always can be detected only by using a transvaginal ultrasound, and it doesn’t yet show up on an ultrasound of the mother’s abdomen.​

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But that’s where how doctors talk to patients comes in, Verma said. Although she wouldn’t consider any embryo at six weeks to have a heartbeat, she said doctors use language that patients can connect with, which often isn’t medical language, and that the use of the language in a doctor’s office plays an important role in how doctors communicate with patients.​

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For example, two doctors speaking to each other would use the term “myocardial infarction,” whereas a doctor speaking with a patient would use the term “heart attack.”​

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“I think it’s OK for people with a desired pregnancy to go in at six weeks and see that flickering and feel connected to that as a heartbeat,” Verma said. “There’s no issue with using the term ‘heartbeat’ on its own. The issue is using that incorrect term to regulate the practice of medicine and impose these artificial time frames to regulate abortion. At the end of the day, an abortion is a decision that should be made between a patient and their health care provider.”​

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Prager said the language and technology used during pregnancy, even in the doctor’s office, was designed for people who want to continue their pregnancies.​

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‘Heartbeat bills’: Is there a fetal heartbeat at six weeks of pregnancy?

The term "fetal heartbeat" is medically inaccurate and misleading, experts say.

www.nbcnews.com

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“If you are invested in the pregnancy, you want to anthropomorphize that pregnancy as soon as possible, and that’s a heartbeat for people,” Prager said.​

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Beautress221118-#5,660 DNA proves that a life like no other is on the way, even if it is a part of the mother's body.

NFBW: A life like no other who is on the way,
is a part of the mother's body.

Cplus6221115-#5,617 “Hey BitchofW: We are NEVER “part of our mother’s anatomy.”

Cplus6220919-#5,280 “We are never “part of our mother’s anatomy,” drooling retard.”

NFBW: A life like no other who is on the way, is NEVER a part of the mother's body CarsomyrPlusSix says.

NFBW: beautress is correct. CarsomyrPlusSix is a Trumpism retard. it is absolute true that DNA proves that a life like no other is on the way, (a potential human life) even if it is a part of the mother's body.

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night_son220502-#15 “Normal (and I mean that in every sense of the word) human beings do not condone the mass murder of unborn children.

NFBW: The midterms decided that “Normal (and I mean that in every sense of the word) human beings do not consider a private decision between a woman and her doctor to be anyone else’s business and very explicitly the mid-terms certified that normal people do not consider an abortion to be murder of any sort let alone mass murder.

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L2814.220502-#120 lantern2814 You don’t have the support of HALF the women in the country with your up to the moment of birth abortion. Enjoy that Republican landslide in the midterms.

NFBW: Looks like you were correct lantern2814 according to the midterms and the special vote in Kansas, normal American woman support a woman’s right to choose at a ratio of six to four. Most women are offended at white Republican males and their white male dominated women who are fully indoctrinated into white Trumpism Christianity who seek to use government to use its power to seize control of every uterus in the country that gets a human embryo attached to it. Congratulations on the Dobbs decision death spiral of white Trump Christianity taking down the entire Republican Party with it on the way down. Overreach is a bitch!

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Beautress221118-#5,660 DNA proves that a life like no other is on the way, even if it is a part of the mother's body.

NFBW: A life like no other who is on the way,
is a part of the mother's body.

Cplus6221115-#5,617 “Hey BitchofW: We are NEVER “part of our mother’s anatomy.”

Cplus6220919-#5,280 “We are never “part of our mother’s anatomy,” drooling retard.”

NFBW: A life like no other who is on the way, is NEVER a part of the mother's body CarsomyrPlusSix says.

NFBW: beautress is correct. CarsomyrPlusSix is a Trumpism retard. it is absolute true that DNA proves that a life like no other is on the way, (a potential human life) even if it is a part of the mother's body.

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DNA is very technical proof that the baby is a separate person from its mother from the time it is an embryo to the time that it is born. An assassin who murders a woman with child gets sent up for extra time for the unborn child. Two lives matter twice as much as one according to past legal decisions. Furthermore, a creep who murders a woman is gambling that she isn't with child, and untoward gambling is lower than snake snot since in a Casino, one can lose one's family's home to pay a gambling debt if he is not the winner. The gambling business makes a lot of money on people addicted to the hope they will win when their chance of winning could be one in a million. Gambling must support expensive real estate, enrich owners, and give enough small wins to support the one in a million who wins a million dollars. That said, people who lived 4 thousand years ago knew that it took a long time for a sex act to produce a baby, but that it was definitely there because God knew before the mother did that the person was there. And they knew that person may not look a thing like its mother or the father for that matter. In 1953, Watson and Crick studied human DNA, and after all those years our current knowledge is that each successful mating produces a child that has dna that is unlike either parent's because half of each person's dna is unexpressed as a survival method should plan one fails in any part of that person. The unexpressed gene is still part of the baby and may not be expressed for generations to come. And several generations later, many people have no way of knowing what their 12th preceding generation looked like nor the color of their eyes, hair, skin, etc.

 

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ding221118-#5,649 ding I really wish you would stop insinuating that I have made a religious argument against abortion. Abortion is a human rights issue. Not a religious issue.

I do not insinuate that you are making a religious argument against abortion. I am saying that the argument against reproductive rights for all women no matter where they live, is coming directly from the political right (Trumpism) in this country which is exclusively driven by and financed by mostly white Christians, both Catholic and Protestant.

The claim that it is instead simply a scientific settled human rights issue for a fertilized egg to have the same human rights as a fully developed pregnant woman, has no moral power in secular society without God as creator being involved. And the idea being pushed by some on the religious right that science tells us mere mortals on this beautiful planet of earth, that a fertilized egg has the same human rights as the human being that is born of the gender with a lifetime of human eggs as part of her anatomy.

Science makes no judgment on the human rights issue between the mother and the unborn child. - The Catholic Church expresses an opinion that fertilized eggs are God’s creation in order to have a relationship with every new created human being, making it a sin to interfere and destroy that personal creation between God and the unborn. You want to make that “sin” argument by taking God and religion out if it, but you can’t really intellectually honestly pull it off.

ding200129-#668 I think you are ignoring the influence that Christianity played. From education to law to values and principles Christianity touched every aspect of colonial life.​

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I told you back then the same as I’m telling you right now, I am not and will not ever ignore the influence Christianity played in the creation of America. I find it most interesting that it is you ding on the issue of reproductive rights for women, that you are the one downplaying the role of Christianity in the cause that you have politically taken up against a women’s human right to choice on the matter of giving birth to a new dna unique human being or not inside her belly.

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No religious argument was made in overturning Roe v Wade. Read the decision.

 

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ding221118-#5,653 ding That will be up to each state to decide for itself.

NFBW: Then it is not a human rights issue. The human right of a pregnant woman to have a medical procedure that does no harm to a separate person who is a citizen here or a visitor from another jurisdiction should not be decided by an election process. It should specifically and definitely not be decided to be taken away by particularly militant and energetic voters from a particular segment of a religious faith because they dominate in the name of their religion within a particular state.

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No religious argument was made in overturning Roe v Wade. Read the decision.

 

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Only by sedition of us 1st , 9th and 14th amendments .

Incorrect. Per the constitution. Read the ruling.

 

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Incorrect. Per the constitution. Read the ruling.

The dobbs ruling is blathering , dumbfounded , idiocy and overt sedition against 1st , 9th and 14th us amendments .

Every us citizen and individual , by virtue of having been born , has legal standing to prohibit state interests in protecting a wright to life of a zygote , or embryo , or fetus which has not met a live birth requirement to receive a wright to life through equal protection .

The dobbs ruling violates precepts of us republic credo from e pluribus unum that espouses independence as individualism through equal protection of negative liberties among those which have met a live birth requirement to receive them .

A live birth is synonymous with an individual , hence with individualism , by logical induction and deduction .

 

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" When Put Me Foot To Foot All See The Willfully Ignorant "

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The dobbs ruling is blathering , dumbfounded , idiocy and overt sedition against 1st , 9th and 14th us amendments .

Every us citizen and individual , by virtue of having been born , has legal standing to prohibit state interests in protecting a wright to life of a zygote , or embryo , or fetus which has not met a live birth requirement to receive a wright to life through equal protection .

The dobbs ruling violates precepts of us republic credo from e pluribus unum that espouses independence as individualism through equal protection of negative liberties among those which have met a live birth requirement to receive them .

Individualism is synonymous with a live birth requirement .

Take it up with the Supreme Court.

 

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No religious argument was made in overturning Roe v Wade. Read the decision.

There is not a difference between religion and creed and a creed with edicts of tenets that violate the principles of non violence and individualism are not entitled to an exception as a religion under us 1st amendment .

The establishment clause of us 1st amendment has been violated , as a legitimate state interest is not concerned with when life begins , or whether life exists at all as in the case of a death sentence as capital punishment , rather a state is concerned with whether a wright to life exists .

A ZEF has not met a live birth requirement to receive equal protection and is therefore without constitutional protections that includes a wright to life .

Any sentenced to death as capital punishment has had their wright to life removed , albeit by due process , albeit through a double entendre from equitable doctrine , that by removing a wright to life of another a perpetrator removes their own wright to life .

Fetal protection laws explicitly state that a death penalty cannot be applied because a ZEF is without constitutional protections .

 

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Take it up with the Supreme Court.

A consensus that dobbs is a public disgrace is step one .

Sedition charges should be filed by the justice department , as well .

 

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" Dobbs Decision Violates Establishment Clause By Logical Deduction "

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There is not a difference between religion and creed and a creed with edicts of tenets that violate the principles of non violence and individualism are not entitled to an exception as a religion under us 1st amendment .

The establishment clause of us 1st amendment has been violated , as a legitimate state interest is not concerned with when life begins , or whether life exists at all as in the case of a death sentence as capital punishment , rather a state is concerned with whether a wright to life exists .

A ZEF has not met a live birth requirement to receive equal protection and is therefore without constitutional protections that includes a wright to life .

Any sentenced to death as capital punishment has had their wright to life removed , albeit by due process , albeit through a double entendre from equitable doctrine , that by removing a wright to life of another a perpetrator removes their own wright to life .

Fetal protection laws explicitly state that a death penalty cannot be applied because a ZEF is without constitutional protections .

Again… No religious argument was made in overturning Roe v Wade. Read the decision.

 

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A consensus that dobbs is a public disgrace is step one .

Sedition charges should be filed by the justice department , as well .

Good luck with that.