Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

NFBW: You are stupid. -

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Implantation​

Once it gets into the uterus, the fertilized egg attaches to the endometrium,

No. A human being in the blastocyst stage of life is not an "egg" you fucking retarded piece of shit. If we were oviparous, there would be a structure you could still call an egg, but the germinal disc, which is the analogue to the "egg cell" in oviparous organisms, itself would be gone after fertilization, fused with the sperm, and that analogue would exist inside the hard fibrous structure that is also called an egg. We don't lay eggs, though, egg boy.

Any of you asshats conflating this outer egg structure that exists as a protective structure housing oviparous creatures with the organism itself, particularly in vivaparous creatures that don't lay eggs, is a liar, a moron, or a lying moron.

This isn't debatable. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't understand embryology at even the most basic level.

That Scientific accurate language

Is objectively false and inaccurate... it is retarded stupidity. Learn basic biology and stop being stupid if you can, filth.

Rhetorical request, I know you are so deficient that learning anything on even the most basic level is an impossibility. The best you can do is just shut your retarded mouth and go away.

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NFBW: It should be noted that contraception that prevents a fertilzed egg from being implanted

After fertilization the egg cell is gone and the sperm cell is gone. Zygotes can't implant, moron.

The blastocyst stage is after the egg cell has been gone for a long time after many, many rounds of mitotic division, and the egg cell was gone with fertilization.

You are an imbecile beyond all imbeciles. Take a long walk off a short pier, water optional.

 

[beagle9]

NFBW: I expect there were people similar to CarsomyrPlusSix and I your current self in the 1930s who believed they had found the man to make the nation of their birth “GREAT AGAIN” so in which case they told the German people who were alarmed by the vast multitude falling into the cult of nationalistic personality that they suffered from a disorder labeled HDS - Hitler Derangement Syndrome.

I shall never cease my resistance against the anti-freedom , authoritarian white nationalist Trump/Christian cult seizing total absolute power in America. END2209041008

List one policy or position held by Trump that made him an equal to Hitler... We'll be waiting patiently.... Oh and go deep into detail on the policy, and tell us why it is a policy of evil or why you think Trump is evil as Hitler was. Thanks

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: For the record the abortion wedge issue is used by Americans who are predominantly white, Catholic or Protestant Christian’s that have an authoritarian nature. A classic example here is the white Catholic authoritarian nationalist poster heard from often named Mashmont.. Keep this reality in mind when addressing the following stream of the abortion conversation.

NFBW220904-#5,072 “When you are proud beagle9 of voting for an insurrectionist sore loser president you can’t know what being proud is.”

NFBW: The failure of Trump’s white Christian followers to concede they lost the 2020 election because Biden had millions more votes than Trump did is a threat to democracy which manifests itself in the culture war issue of abortion .

beagle9220904-#5,073 “Get help for your TDS, we keep telling you but you won't listen..”

NFBW: Trump supporters (the passionate culture war ones like @beagle & CarsomyrPlusSix cannot express a rational honest and sober defense for supporting a sore loser who lit the flames of political violence on Jan6 to overturn their loss so they accuse the winners of a free and fair ejection of having a mental disorder which is a baseless claim used to run from a legitimate debate,,

NFBW220904-#5,074 “I expect there were people similar to CarsomyrPlusSix and your current self beagle9 in the 1930s who believed they had found the man to make the nation of their birth “GREAT AGAIN” so in which case they told the German people who were alarmed by the vast multitude falling into the cult of nationalistic personality that they suffered from a disorder labeled HDS - Hitler Derangement Syndrome.

NFBW; Just in case you didn’t catch it I mentioned the 1930s for a reason I’ll clarify that by revising it to read early 1930s to mean the early stages of Hitler’s rise to power.

beagle9220905-#5,082 “List one policy or position held by Trump that made him an equal to Hitler.”

Trump and his followers are no equal to Hitler and his hypnotized followers - yet. But the roots of fascism are seeded into the ground.

My point is not about matching Trump policy to Hitler policy, It is about the similarity of the Germans who landed under the hypnotic spell of Hitler’s to thise white Christian nationalists who have sold their souls to an authoritarian minded leader who fortunately was cut short of becoming an American version of Hitler when his first coup attempt failed on Jan6 on two seiarate fronts - one peaceful / one violent and mobocracy in actions. COPY? END3309050808

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

NFBW: For the record the abortion wedge issue is used by Americans who are predominantly white, Catholic or Protestant Christian’s that have an authoritarian nature. A classic example here is the white Catholic authoritarian nationalist poster heard from often named Mashmont.. Keep this reality in mind when addressing the following stream of the abortion conversation.

NFBW220904-#5,072 “When you are proud beagle9 of voting for an insurrectionist sore loser president you can’t know what being proud is.”

NFBW: The failure of Trump’s white Christian followers to concede they lost the 2020 election because Biden had millions more votes than Trump did is a threat to democracy which manifests itself in the culture war issue of abortion .

beagle9220904-#5,073 “Get help for your TDS, we keep telling you but you won't listen..”

NFBW: Trump supporters (the passionate culture war ones like @beagle & CarsomyrPlusSix cannot express a rational honest and sober defense for supporting a sore loser who lit the flames of political violence on Jan6 to overturn their loss so they accuse the winners of a free and fair ejection of having a mental disorder which is a baseless claim used to run from a legitimate debate,,

NFBW220904-#5,074 “I expect there were people similar to CarsomyrPlusSix and your current self beagle9 in the 1930s who believed they had found the man to make the nation of their birth “GREAT AGAIN” so in which case they told the German people who were alarmed by the vast multitude falling into the cult of nationalistic personality that they suffered from a disorder labeled HDS - Hitler Derangement Syndrome.

NFBW; Just in case you didn’t catch it I mentioned the 1930s for a reason I’ll clarify that by revising it to read early 1839s to mean the early stages of Hitler’s rise to power.

beagle9220905-#5,082 “List one policy or position held by Trump that made him an equal to Hitler.”

My point is not about matching Trump policy to Hitler policy, It is about the similarity of the Germans who landed under the hypnotic spell of Hitler’s to thise white Christian nationalists who have sold their souls to an authoritarian minded leader who fortunately was cut short of becoming an American version of Hitler when his first coup attempt failed on Jan6 on two seiarate fronts - one peaceful / one violent and mobocracy in actions. COPY? END3309050808

I don’t even like Trump and voted for someone else in the primaries. Compared to someone vile like Hillary or the absolute objective shitfest of incompetence and failure that has been Biden’s presidency, Trump can’t help but look good by comparison to anyone rational. Anyone living in a state where Hillary or Biden had any chance of winning electoral votes had incredible moral and rational pressure to vote for anyone who was the next most likely to win. Anyone comfortable in a red state could not worry about it, vote third party, vote write-in or not vote at all. But stopping Hillary was essential, and Biden’s in less than two years has wreaked incomparable damage on the republic, damage that we will never recover from.

You are just a lunatic talking out of your ass on completely unrelated things. This topic isn’t about your derangement or your conspiracy theories.

Trump did nothing impeachment worthy, and he incited no violence. Your claims are completely divorced from reality. You are at least consistent about being a fundamentally dishonest piece of shit.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Trump did nothing i

You will take your devotion to the Trumpism cult of personality to the grave solely on the basis of the three Catholic American Taliban judges he got onto the Supreme Court who overturned Roe vs Wade to allow states to seize the bodies 0f women in a power grab to take control of their fertilized egg production;

Trump couid bludgeon your healthy happy 90 year old grandmother to death with a ball peen hammer right before your eyes and would not be wrong because you think he is saving millions of fertilized human eggs from cruel and unusual death for his triple Catholic anti/abortion SCOTUS packing. END2209050834

 

[NotfooledbyW]

After fertilization the egg cell is gone and the sperm cell is gone. Zygotes can't implant, moron.

For your education / idiot:

The Difference Between a Zygote and an Embryo

A zygote is formed when a sperm fertilizes an egg. The single-celled zygote soon becomes an embryo. Learn more about this early stage of pregnancy.

www.verywellfamily.com

What Is a Zygote?​

A zygote, also known as a fertilized ovum or fertilized egg, is the union of a sperm cell and an egg cell. The zygote begins as a single cell but divides rapidly in the days following fertilization. The zygote’s single cell contains all of the 46 necessary chromosomes, getting 23 from the sperm and 23 from the egg.

The zygote phase is brief, lasting only about four days. Around the fifth day, the mass of cells becomes known as a blastocyst. The embryo develops from the blastocyst.

How Zygotes Form​

In order for reproduction to take place, a single sperm cell must penetrate the outer surface of an egg in a process known as fertilization. During a healthy reproductive cycle, a single egg cell is released from the follicle into the fallopian tube at ovulation.

If sperm are present, thousands will attempt to penetrate this single egg cell. Once a single sperm has broken through the outer surface, a zygote is formed. Chemical changes in the surface of the egg prevent other sperm from entering.1

When a Zygote Becomes an Embryo​

Zygotes divide through a process known as mitosis, in which each cell doubles (one cell becomes two, two becomes four, and so on). This two-week stage is known as the germinal period of development and covers the time of fertilization (also called conception) to the implantation of the blastocyst in the uterus.


The sperm cell contains paternal genetic information while the egg cell contains maternal genetic information. Because each cell contains half of the genetic material, each cell is known as a haploid cell. When these two haploid cells join, they form a single diploid cell that contains all necessary chromosomes.


The zygote then travels down the fallopian tube to the uterus. As it travels, its cells rapidly divide and it becomes a blastocyst. Once in the uterus, the blastocyst must implant in the lining in order to obtain the nourishment it needs to grow and survive.


The embryonic period of development lasts from two weeks after conception through the eighth week, during which time the organism is known as an embryo.1 At the ninth week post-conception, the fetal period begins. From this point until birth, the organism is known as a fetus.

A Note About Conception​

Conception occurs when an egg is fertilized, but pregnancy does not actually begin until a blastocyst implants into the uterus. It’s not usually possible to know whether fertilization has occurred at this early stage, considered week 3 of pregnancy. Symptoms and pregnancy hormone levels are usually not notable until week 4 or 5.

Zygotes in Twinning​

Identical twins are monozygotic. With monozygotic twins, one egg is fertilized and one zygote is formed, but at the blastocyst phase, it splits to form two embryos. Monozygotic twins share the same genetic material.


Fraternal twins, on the other hand, are dizygotic, which means that two eggs are fertilized resulting in two zygotes. Those two zygotes go on to develop into two embryos. Unlike monozygotic twins, dizygotic twins do not share identical genes.

Potential Challenges​

Not all zygotes make it to the next stage of prenatal development. Researchers estimate that 30% to 70% of all naturally occurring conceptions fail either before or at the time of implantation. Researchers suspect these losses are connected to abnormalities. In cases of recurrent miscarriage, a parental chromosomal anomaly is often to blame.3

 

[beagle9]

For your education / idiot:

The Difference Between a Zygote and an Embryo

A zygote is formed when a sperm fertilizes an egg. The single-celled zygote soon becomes an embryo. Learn more about this early stage of pregnancy.

www.verywellfamily.com

What Is a Zygote?​

A zygote, also known as a fertilized ovum or fertilized egg, is the union of a sperm cell and an egg cell. The zygote begins as a single cell but divides rapidly in the days following fertilization. The zygote’s single cell contains all of the 46 necessary chromosomes, getting 23 from the sperm and 23 from the egg.

The zygote phase is brief, lasting only about four days. Around the fifth day, the mass of cells becomes known as a blastocyst. The embryo develops from the blastocyst.

How Zygotes Form​

In order for reproduction to take place, a single sperm cell must penetrate the outer surface of an egg in a process known as fertilization. During a healthy reproductive cycle, a single egg cell is released from the follicle into the fallopian tube at ovulation.

If sperm are present, thousands will attempt to penetrate this single egg cell. Once a single sperm has broken through the outer surface, a zygote is formed. Chemical changes in the surface of the egg prevent other sperm from entering.1

When a Zygote Becomes an Embryo​

Zygotes divide through a process known as mitosis, in which each cell doubles (one cell becomes two, two becomes four, and so on). This two-week stage is known as the germinal period of development and covers the time of fertilization (also called conception) to the implantation of the blastocyst in the uterus.


The sperm cell contains paternal genetic information while the egg cell contains maternal genetic information. Because each cell contains half of the genetic material, each cell is known as a haploid cell. When these two haploid cells join, they form a single diploid cell that contains all necessary chromosomes.


The zygote then travels down the fallopian tube to the uterus. As it travels, its cells rapidly divide and it becomes a blastocyst. Once in the uterus, the blastocyst must implant in the lining in order to obtain the nourishment it needs to grow and survive.


The embryonic period of development lasts from two weeks after conception through the eighth week, during which time the organism is known as an embryo.1 At the ninth week post-conception, the fetal period begins. From this point until birth, the organism is known as a fetus.

A Note About Conception​

Conception occurs when an egg is fertilized, but pregnancy does not actually begin until a blastocyst implants into the uterus. It’s not usually possible to know whether fertilization has occurred at this early stage, considered week 3 of pregnancy. Symptoms and pregnancy hormone levels are usually not notable until week 4 or 5.

Zygotes in Twinning​

Identical twins are monozygotic. With monozygotic twins, one egg is fertilized and one zygote is formed, but at the blastocyst phase, it splits to form two embryos. Monozygotic twins share the same genetic material.


Fraternal twins, on the other hand, are dizygotic, which means that two eggs are fertilized resulting in two zygotes. Those two zygotes go on to develop into two embryos. Unlike monozygotic twins, dizygotic twins do not share identical genes.

Potential Challenges​

Not all zygotes make it to the next stage of prenatal development. Researchers estimate that 30% to 70% of all naturally occurring conceptions fail either before or at the time of implantation. Researchers suspect these losses are connected to abnormalities. In cases of recurrent miscarriage, a parental chromosomal anomaly is often to blame.3

So you lied when you tried to label Trump and his followers the same as Hitler and his followers. You are a dishonest poster who is a leftist attempting to use your word soup's to try and politicize every issue by sewing confusion for your cult's benefit.. We got it. So from here on out know this, that we see exactly what you are doing, and what kind of dishonest poster that you are. The devil was smart also, but he wasn't smart enough, so always remember that, otherwise if you have any sense left to rationalize it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Any of you asshats conflating this outer egg structure that exists as a protective structure housing oviparous creatures with the organism itself, particularly in vivaparous creatures that don't lay eggs, is a liar, a moron, or a lying moron.

You are a liar. I am not confused or conflating that at all ..

The website is called the biology dictionary/ it defines the travel of the little egg to implantation / “ with help of cilia (little “hairs”) that contract, and move the egg into the uterus. Since the egg has to shed off the zona pellucida, it can now implant itself into the inner lining of the uterus called the endometrium.

Blastocyst - Definition, Implantation Timeline and Quiz | Biology Dictionary

A blastocyst forms when a fertilized egg is in its second phase of growth. This takes place from days five to nine after fertilization.

biologydictionary.net

Biology Dictionary​

Biology is the study of living things. It is broken down into many fields, reflecting the complexity of life from the atoms and molecules of biochemistry to the interactions of millions of organisms in ecology. This biology dictionary is here to help you learn about all sorts of biology terms, principles, and life forms. Search by individual topic using the alphabetized menu below, or search by field of study using the menu on the left.​

This all takes place on the fifth day post-fertilization, after which the blastocyst travels down the fallopian tube. This is made possible with the help of cilia (little “hairs”) that contract, and move the egg into the uterus. Since the egg has to shed off the zona pellucida, it can now implant itself into the inner lining of the uterus called the endometrium. The microvilli on the surface of the trophoblast cells will adhere to the epithelial cells of the uterus through glycoproteins. Once they adhere, the fertilized egg and uterine lining can no longer be flushed out during the menstrual cycle.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Catholic American Taliban

Sorry you hate competent, literate members of the Supreme Court, you daft ****.

But not sorry.

packing

LOL.

Can you use ANY words or concepts correctly?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

So you lied when you tried to label Trump and his followers the same as Hitler and his followers.

No you are ignoring everything I explained in #5,086 and you are lying now that you read it. I neVer wrote that Hitler and Trump / Nazis and MAGA are the same. They are both authoritarian. NAZI’s achieved full blown evil destruction government fascism .MAGA failed once but remain a threat to become full blown fascist if not stopped again,



Trump said he would Pardon this NAZI who attacked the Capitol for TRUMP on JAN6.

Tim Cusanelli,

a Jan6 rioter

Are you ok with that?

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

For your education / idiot:

No, what we have here, retard, is the distinction between an expert in the field - myself - and a very stupid layman using dumbed down language for laymen and relying on quoting websites as opposed to having HAD an education.

Your own quoted text contradicts itself and proves why “egg” is a misnomer. Which, personally, is not something I look for in a source when making an argument, but you are mentally (and possibly in many other ways) retarded, so this may explain the discrepancy.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

expert in the field - myself -

CONGRATULATIONS You are AN ARROGANT EXPERT ASSHOLE. we all can’t be experts in everything - the fertilized egg makes it to the lining of the uterus in two stages / the zygote and the blastocyst where it is hatched.

Yes it’s ok for we lay people to say hatched as expressed on pro-life websites.

Passage to the Uterine Wall​

It takes about seven days for the blastocyst to find its way to the mammalian womb. Some drastic steps are taken in making this journey. Once a sperm enters an egg, a tough membrane called the zona pellucidaforms around it that is impenetrable to other sperm. This is a protective mechanism against multiple sperms penetrating it. For reference, for any female egg there are between 40 million to 1.2 billion sperm cells competing for it in a single ejaculation. While this shield is helpful, it is not compatible with the growth of the new embryo. Therefore, the egg sheds off the zona pellucida between days five and seven as it begins to differentiate. This starts a rearrangement of cells on the outside and inside of the egg, and the eventual blastocyst forms.


The official name for the process that forms the internal cavity of the blastocyst is cavitation. The fluid is pushed inward by the outer cell layer, and junctions between the cells are formed to pull the cells together to keep the fluid inside the cavity. The trophoblast forms right under the zona pellucida. As its Greek roots imply, the trophoblast layer will “nourish” the growing embryo when it becomes the placenta. Meanwhile, the zona pellucida begins to break down. The growth and division of the blastula stretch and contract the rigid zona pellucida. This is when a sort of “mini birth” occurs. The zona pellucida will split on the side opposite the embryonic pole and “hatch,” or release, the blastocyst. Upon hatching at the end of day five, the blastocyst is ready to find its new place. END2209050955

 

[NotfooledbyW]

our own quoted text contradicts itself and proves why “egg” is a misnomer

NFBW: Where? Now that we know you are some kind of infallible expert on the millions of fertilized women’s eggs that you demand belong to you, you need to be more specific when you file a complaint against me. END22091008

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

the fertilized egg makes it to the lining of the uterus in two stages

There is no such thing in humans, so it cannot “make it to the uterus” or do anything else.

The blastocyst is not an “egg.”

The egg cell was a thing but is gone after fertilization. By the time implantation is possible it is long since gone.

The funniest thing about this is that in the depths of your stupidity, having bypassed the actual endpoint for the egg cell and calling a blastocyst an “egg,” you have no reasonable cut-off point for ceasing to call the Homo sapiens an “egg.” By your retarded metric, you must think everyone is still an “egg.” Oh, to be as stupid as you… how awful it must be. Pitiable wretch.

I think it is possible that your mental handicap is entirely purposeful and vindictive, that your ideology and fundamental dishonesty have rendered yourself functionally brain damaged beneath sapience.

Nevertheless as you stand corrected and vindictively reject scientific fact and reality, the exact origins of this deficiency on your part matter less than the fact that you continue to spew this noxious stupidity.

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

millions of fertilized women’s eggs

Zero exist.

Zero is the maximum number that could ever exist.

2 million or more is much larger than zero, retard.

Shut up already.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: Do yiu consider your expertise CarsomyrPlusSix to be on a par with Scott Gilbert, the Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology emeritus at Swarthmore College, is the author of the standard textbook of developmental biology.

If so what are your works?



A human fetus at six to seven weeks of gestation. lunarcaustic via Flickr, CC BY

Several possible options​

Scott Gilbert, the Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology emeritus at Swarthmore College, is the author of the standard textbook of developmental biology. He has identified as many as five developmental stages that, from a biological perspective, are all plausible beginning points for human life. Biology, as science knows it now, can tell these stages apart, but cannot determine at which one of these stages life begins.

The first of these stages is fertilization in the egg duct, when a zygote is formed with the full human genetic material. But almost every cell in everyone’s body contains that person’s complete DNA sequence. If genetic material alone makes a potential human being, then when we shed skin cells – as we do all the time – we are severing potential human beings.

The second plausible stage is called gastrulation, which happens about two weeks after fertilization. At that point, the embryo loses the ability to form identical twins – or triplets or more. The embryo therefore becomes a biological individual but not necessarily a human individual.

The third possible stage is at 24 to 27 weeks of pregnancy, when the characteristic human-specific brain-wave pattern emerges in the fetus’s brain. Disappearance of this pattern is part of the legal standard for human death; by symmetry, perhaps its appearance could be taken to mark the beginning of human life.

The fourth possible stage, which is the one endorsed in the Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion in the United States, is viability, when a fetus typically becomes viable outside the uterus with the help of available medical technology. With the technology that we have today, that stage is reached at about 24 weeks.

The final possibility is birth itself.

Defining when human life begins is not a question science can answer – it's a question of politics and ethical values

Some people seeking to influence public opinion about abortion rights claim the science is clear. It’s not, and that means abortion remains a political question – not a biological one.

theconversation.com

The overall point is that biology does not determine when human life begins. It is a question that can only be answered by appealing to our values, examining what we take to be human.

Perhaps biologists of the future will learn more. Until then, when human life begins during fetal developments is a question for philosophers and theologians. And policies based on an answer to that question will remain up to politicians – and judges.
This is an updated version of an article originally published Sept. 1, 2021.

• Philosophy
• Politics
• Biology
• Pregnancy
• Abortion
• Science
• Roe v Wade
• Fetal development
• US Supreme Court
• Abortion rights
• human embryos
• Life
• right to life
• Fetus
• human development
• Conception
• Fertilization
• Women's right to choose
• Abortion restrictions
• US abortion law
• Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization
• Dobbs v. Jackson

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[CarsomyrPlusSix]

NFBW: Do yiu consider your expertise CarsomyrPlusSix to be on a par with Scott Gilbert,

Par?

No, he is clearly inferior to me, as he does not know the textbook scientific fact that life begins at fertilization.

Anyone who passes Bio101 is more educated than this fool.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No, he is clearly inferior to me, as he does not know the textbook scientific fact that life begins at fertilization.

What makes you think he does not know that life begins at fertilization because that is obvious and there is no dispute that the fertilized egg and the unfertilized egg are in the basic biological sense as being alive. The position that most biologists do not take is that personhood begins at conception.

Do you accept the science that the human specific electroencephalogram pattern is detected about week 24 to 28 after conception and it marks the physiological beginnings of consciousness.? END2209051123

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The egg cell was a thing but is gone after fertilization.

So when the egg cell “thing” disappears because it’s been fertilized, so whatever it becomes does not have a brain, does it? if a lay person refers to the glop of cells that become part of the uterus as a fertilized egg what is the difference, a zygote, a blastocyst , an embryo does not have a brain. Yet you want me to believe that a brainless thing is a human being and a person. . You are being absurd.,

 

[beagle9]

No you are ignoring everything I explained in #5,086 and you are lying now that you read it. I neVer wrote that Hitler and Trump / Nazis and MAGA are the same. They are both authoritarian. NAZI’s achieved full blown evil destruction government fascism .MAGA failed once but remain a threat to become full blown fascist if not stopped again,



Trump said he would Pardon this NAZI who attacked the Capitol for TRUMP on JAN6.

Tim Cusanelli,

a Jan6 rioter

Are you ok with that?

Lying some more eh ? Is that all you have is spin and lie's in hopes to fortify your positions taken ??