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One cannot “find out” abject bullshit nonsense disinformation. Kids are never part of their mothers’ bodies. Never.CarsomyrPlusSix had a meltdown when he finally found out that a fetus is part of a woman’s body
Fetuses are. There is one brain managing the development from conception on.Kids are never part of their mothers’ bodies. Never.
To presume that the abortion choice leadership did not want to pursue equitable doctrine , for a live birth requirement with a citizen , presumes that the abortion choice leadership actually understood it .Four out of five Republicans behind Trump are that stupid on everything.
CarsomyrPlusSix had a meltdown when he finally found out that a fetus is part of a woman’s body, There is only one brain running the show during the first twenty weeks in a woman’s body so it is quite ignorant to rationalize that there are two persons involved at least during the first twenty weeks when most abortions are taking place,
How do we get rid of pro/choice justices if the one of five pro/choice Republicans keep voting for presidents who appoint from the Federalist Society’s approved anti/choice list of judges?
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Free choice about their own live's yes of course always, but now their are two live's being dealt with, and the life of the one developing within should be considered sacred in knowing that it will represent the same life carrying it, otherwise as it is developing, and better yet is considered a little person that is now developing within.Throughout his entire life, Thomas Jefferson was publicly a consistent opponent of slavery. Calling it a “moral depravity”1 and a “hideous blot,”2 he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation.3 Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty.4 These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.Jefferson's Attitudes Toward Slavery 230402^01
ding230401-#98 ¥ ding ¥ Truth is discovered. Error can’t stand.
Alang230401-#100 to: -2 ¥ alang1216 ¥ If slavery was considered moral by Jefferson but is considered immoral in our society, it seems clear to me that, with or without God, society determines morality.
saveliberty230401-#103 to: -3 ¥ saveliberty ¥ Jefferson did not consider slavery moral. In fact he called it moral depravity. He spent his entire life in a society that tolerated slavery.
NFBW: I am pro-choice for every woman whom I do not know. If a woman I know were to conceive a child by me, I would not be pro-choice and have that worked out in advance. My moral choice has nothing to do with God or religion or politics. It is solely about each individual born to this world to have the rightful freedom of conscience that comes without harm to others.
For that position on reproductive rights and abortion I keep seeing anti-choice fanatics citing an absurd analogy that abortion rights proponents are the same as slave holders.
HeyNorm230120-#6,808 ¥ HeyNorm ¥ “So 3/5 a person. Is that about right? Sound like the same rights the slave owners gave n***rs.”
Jefferson’s moral failure was not in considering slavery being moral or slaves being less than human. His failure was in considering that black people were racially inferior and needed to be returned to a nation of their own.
Jefferson’s belief in the necessity of abolition was intertwined with his racial beliefs. He thought that white Americans and enslaved blacks constituted two “separate nations” who could not live together peacefully in the same country.14 Jefferson’s belief that blacks were racially inferior and “as incapable as children,”15 coupled with slaves’ presumed resentment of their former owners, made their removal from the United States an integral part of Jefferson’s emancipation scheme.Jefferson's Attitudes Toward Slavery 230402^02It seems to me that being pro choice on abortion is about women being free to make a choice regarding their own lives. So it would be being pro choice against slavery where every human being has a right to be free to make choices about their own lives.
Can anyone explain what the hell ¥ HeyNorm ¥ in post 6808 is being so absurd about.
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then explain why in every state if a pregnant woman is killed (less or more than 20 weeks) the killer is charged with 2 counts or murder.Four out of five Republicans behind Trump are that stupid on everything.
CarsomyrPlusSix had a meltdown when he finally found out that a fetus is part of a woman’s body, There is only one brain running the show during the first twenty weeks in a woman’s body so it is quite ignorant to rationalize that there are two persons involved at least during the first twenty weeks when most abortions are taking place,
How do we get rid of pro/choice justices if the one of five pro/choice Republicans keep voting for presidents who appoint from the Federalist Society’s approved anti/choice list of judges?
you are posting opinions. not facts. Let the people decide whether abortion is legal or not.Samofvt221030-#69 ¥ @Samo ¥ “I would vote for anything that bans late term abortions (month 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10) without good cause”
NFBW: I agree with what you wrote there in post00069 on abortion: except your use of the phrase “late term abortions” needs correction if you are interested in precise use of language. See *1
You believe America was founded as a Christian Nation if I’ve read a couple of your posts correctly.
Based on that baseline of your ideology, which I do not agree with you at all on that: do you think the congregants of Black Christian Churches in America are great Americans even though they (a) generally have good reason to believe that America was NOT founded as a Christian nation and (b) nine out of ten if not more black church goers voted for the winner of the 2020 election and our current president and they did not vote for the good Christian Trump?
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- “Late-term abortion” is an inaccurate phrase used to describe second-trimester abortions, between week 13 and 26 of pregnancy.
- Second-trimester abortions make up fewer than 10% of abortions in the U.S.
- Second-trimester abortions are always performed in a medical facility under the supervision of a trained provider.
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Second-trimester abortions have been inaccurately called “late-term abortions.” But that’s a confusing term because the medical definition of “late term” refers to pregnancy — not abortion. Keep reading to learn about abortions that happen after the first trimester of pregnancy.
Is there a difference between late-term and second-term abortions?
“Late-term” and “second-term” abortions both refer to the same thing: abortions that happen after the first term, in the second trimester of a pregnancy.
Pregnancy is often described in three segments called trimesters:
“Late-term” is a medical term used to describe the very end of a pregnancy, after it has reached “full term,” from week 41 onward. Abortions can’t and don’t happen in these late stages of pregnancy.
- First trimester: conception through week 12
- Second trimester: week 13 to 26 of pregnancy
- Third trimester: week 27 until the end of pregnancy, anywhere from 38 to 42 weeks for a full-term delivery
So, you can see how describing second-term abortions as “late-term” abortions is misleading and imprecise. In fact, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) has made it clear that a “late-term abortion” has no medical meaning.
What percentage of abortions are late-term (second-term) abortions?
According to data from the CDC, the vast majority, or 91%, of abortions take place during the first trimester of pregnancy. Of the remaining 9% of abortions that happen after the first trimester:
Second-term abortions require specialized care, and only 16% of abortion providers in the U.S. offer services up until week 24 of pregnancy. There are 43 states with laws that restrict how far into pregnancy an abortion can be provided. The latest point in pregnancy that you can have an abortion in the U.S. is 24 weeks.
- 7.7% happen between weeks 14 and 20
- 1.2% happen at or after week 21
Abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare and happen only in extreme circumstances, usually when there are fetal problems that aren’t compatible with
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BANG!!!, pregant woman (15 weeks) shot and killed. Killer charged with 2 counts of murder in every state in the USA and most other countries. So the people that wrote our statutes believed that the fetus is a person. Hmmmmmm?BackA220722-#3,805 If a human zygote is a living human, with its own unique DNA, then it is deserving of the right to life. Yes or no?
NFBW: No! Unique DNA is not a brain. Right to life requires consciousness and consciousness cannot exist in an organism until it develops its own brain with billions of neurons making perception of reality possible..
There is only one single brain at the start of a pregnancy. The adult’s brain (a pregnant woman’s brain) consists of more than 86 billion neurons when a new life is conceived in her body. The newly conceived being has zero neurons of its own to start with but then at around approximately 28 weeks the fetus brain has . . . “X” amount of neurons . - you do the math:
From the time the neural tube closes, around week 7, the brain will grow at a rate of 250,000 neurons per minute for the next 21 weeks.
Fetal Brain Development Stages: When Does a Fetus Develop a Brain? < 230324^ae
28 weeks is the legal point of potential viability established in Roe v Wade.
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It's not every state.then explain why in every state if a pregnant woman is killed (less or more than 20 weeks) the killer is charged with 2 counts or murder.
As I have said several times, the only way to solve this is to let the people of each state (or the entire nation) vote on whether abortion should be legal and under what specific circumstances'
Why do you oppose letting the people decide? Are you afraid that your side is actually the minority view?
liberal cities have already reinstigated segregation, so have several liberal colleges. Is that good for america?It's not every state.
And you only want the people to decide on things that don't affect you.
Let's put slavery back on the ballot
Let's put school segregation back on the ballot too
And every poll I have ever seen indicates that more people want legal abortion than don't.
And how about this. Even when people actually vote you have republicans interfering.
A liberal just won the Wisconsin Supreme Court race. Republicans are already talking about impeaching her.
Liberal Janet Protasiewicz just won a seat on the Wisconsin Supreme Court. But she could face impeachment attempts with a GOP supermajority in the state Senate.news.yahoo.com
How about you let each person decide for him or herself what they to to their own bodies?
Let's put it on the ballot. That' what you want right?liberal cities have already reinstigated segregation, so have several liberal colleges. Is that good for america?
if your view on abortion is the majority as you claim, why do you fear a vote on it?
NFBW ¥ Redfish ¥ has no ability to think outside the MAGA anti-democracy bubbleLet's put it on the ballot.
Democrat's allowing a majority view ? ROTFLMBOIts quite obvious from the many posts in this thread that there will never be a concensus on abortion. So lets put it to a national or state by state vote and let the majority view prevail. Isn't that what democracy is all about? When we have a disagreement on something we vote and the majority view is followed by all.
Why not?
...... Not going to happen cap. They are in full in control mode, and they aren't stopping until they are legislatively stopped. A lot of their activities are illegal by old standard's, and they should have remained illegal to this very day.
You see that's just it, if you yell it enough, and say it enough, then you think that it will go through no matter how unpopular it is. It's a tactic of you leftist.NFBW ¥ Redfish ¥ has no ability to think outside the MAGA anti-democracy bubble
The issue at the center of Protasiewicz's successful campaign was protecting abortion rights -- and Politico's Playbook reports that this development has caused the GOP to have a "full-blown freak out" about implications for the 2024 presidential election.https://www.rawstory.com/republicans-abortion-2659749068/Among other things, notes Politico, the firmly right-wing Wall Street Journal editorial board this week called the Wisconsin election a "five-alarm fire" and warned Republicans against embracing blanket, no-exceptions bans on abortion.NFBW; even the Wall Street Journal is outside of Red’s bubble.
Established eh ? Tell me ole wise ace, then how did the damned process get so out of order or screwed up ? How did it get into pure evil territory ? I know, I know, it's because you idiot's couldn't manage a damned lemonade stand. That is the underlying issue in all of this bull shite.BackA220722-#3,805 If a human zygote is a living human, with its own unique DNA, then it is deserving of the right to life. Yes or no?
NFBW: No! Unique DNA is not a brain. Right to life requires consciousness and consciousness cannot exist in an organism until it develops its own brain with billions of neurons making perception of reality possible..
There is only one single brain at the start of a pregnancy. The adult’s brain (a pregnant woman’s brain) consists of more than 86 billion neurons when a new life is conceived in her body. The newly conceived being has zero neurons of its own to start with but then at around approximately 28 weeks the fetus brain has . . . “X” amount of neurons . - you do the math:
From the time the neural tube closes, around week 7, the brain will grow at a rate of 250,000 neurons per minute for the next 21 weeks.
Fetal Brain Development Stages: When Does a Fetus Develop a Brain? < 230324^ae
28 weeks is the legal point of potential viability established in Roe v Wade.
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You see that's just it, if you yell it enough, and say it enough, then you think that it will go through no matter how unpopular it is. It's a tactic of you leftist
