Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[ding]

The glop of human cells that start biological development in a woman’s body at conception have a unique new DNA - Well that proves nothing scientifically beyond that the glop of human cells have a new DNA immediately following conception.

You have proven nothing more than that ding

Congratulations on dehumanizing human life so that you can believe you are a moral and good person.

 

[ding]

Dang, beagle. Figured that right out? Nothing slow about you.
Sounds like he and his wife want children, just like me and mine, but not crazy about making choices for everybody else.

Is the fetus property to be disposed of at the will of its owner??

 

[ding]

NFBW: If you have evidence that I support murdering a human life bring the charges. You don’t, you are a liar.

I support a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy. That right is based on her autonomous natural right to control what happens in her body. I know full well that when she chooses to terminate a developing human organism in her womb it ends the natural birth and life of a potential human being. The right to life of an undeveloped human being is secondary to a woman who has the right to self govern her own body and protect her health, happiness career and family planning from the government and CATHOLIC AND WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN religious zealotry.

I am proud and secure in my moral superiority to @ding’s wretched obsession with having the state governments decide what women are to do with their own bodies since the discovery of DNA in Fertilized Embryonic Tissue. Who the F cares but white Christian nationalists American Taliban. I’m moral. I am good.

Get the F’n log out of your eye before calling out the speck in my eye @ding
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Cool story. But again... you have to dehumanize human life to be able to see yourself as a good and moral person. To you the fetus is nothing more than property to be disposed of at the will of its owner. Unfortunately for you the science says it is a new, genetically distinct human being in its earliest stage of the human life cycle. A specific, unique human being that has never existed before and will never exist again. The least you could do is acknowledge that you are ending its life.

 

[White 6]

Is the fetus property to be disposed of at the will of its owner??

Owner? What owner?

 

[ding]

Owner? What owner?

Why the mother of course. If the fetus isn't human and its life can be ended, its nothing more than property, right?

 

[ChemEngineer]

Congratulations on dehumanizing human life so that you can believe you are a moral and good person.

Dehumanization that has been ongoing for fifty years is the prime reason for mental illness resulting in psychos shooting up as many others as possible. When I was growing up, guns were brought to school to show and share. We hunted with them and carried shotguns and rifles openly on bicycles to the countryside where we hunted. No problems. Then the feminists and Leftists and socialists spread their poison.

 

[White 6]

Why the mother of course. If the fetus isn't human and its life can be ended, its nothing more than property, right?

Not playing your games, ding. Frankly I don't care to justify, but also do not believe in the absolute sanctity of human life or when you think it starts. I was well trained to end human life. Starting it, we planned purposefully and poked fun at it. Still poking fun at it, but not having anymore pregnancies. So bother somebody else, as I do not proscribe for all. Simply not my place or yours.

 

[BackAgain]

Nope

It is AKIN to a parasite
UNTIL
IT CAN SURVIVE OUTSIDE THE WOMB

Fran, you’re a sick loser.

 

[ding]

Not playing your games, ding. Frankly I don't care to justify, but also do not believe in the absolute sanctity of human life or when you think it starts. I was well trained to end human life. Starting it, we planned purposefully and poked fun at it. Still poking fun at it, but not having anymore pregnancies. So bother somebody else, as I do not proscribe for all. Simply not my place or yours.

I'm not playing games either. It was a fair question. If not human life than what? Property? I have no problem with the each state deciding how to balance the rights. But it's disingenuous to characterize it as anything other than what it is; ending a human life.

I'm glad my question bothered you. Seeing human life as property should make you feel uncomfortable. Especially given your amoral position. In some ways amorality is worse than immorality.

 

[beagle9]

Dang, beagle. Figured that right out? Nothing slow about you.
Sounds like he and his wife want children, just like me and mine, but not crazy about making choices for everybody else.

Want children ? I thought he said his wife carried the two children that they have or was it their two children that they have together etc ?? It's irrelevant... Moving on.

 

[beagle9]

NFBW2207282115

ding220728-#3,985 “This is you playing word games because you can't bear to face the fact that you support ending a human life.

NFBW: If you have evidence that I support murdering a human life bring the charges. You don’t, you are a liar.

I support a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy. That right is based on her autonomous natural right to control what happens in her body. I know full well that when she chooses to terminate a developing human organism in her womb it ends the natural birth and life of a potential human being. The right to life of an undeveloped human being is secondary to a woman who has the right to self govern her own body and protect her health, happiness career and family planning from the government and CATHOLIC AND WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN religious zealotry.

I am proud and secure in my moral superiority to @ding’s wretched obsession with having the state governments decide what women are to do with their own bodies since the discovery of DNA in Fertilized Embryonic Tissue. Who the F cares but white Christian nationalists American Taliban. I’m moral. I am good.

Get the F’n log out of your eye before calling out the speck in my eye ding
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You support chaos in society is what you support, because you are a reactionary instead of a pro-active problem solver, otherwise all through the help of instilling a little bit of preventive moral fortitude into human beings after birth, and this while in their upbringing stage's of life could solve these issue's or a lot of problems.

If this were being done, then conversation's like this wouldn't even exist, but here we all are because people like you have no preventive measures or skills that you would use support all due to your contempt upon our thinking on how society should be conditioned in order to avoid the tragedies of the very horrendous thing being talked about here...... You are dealing with or within an afterthought due to the spontaneous reckless out of control actions of a society that has lost it's way in life.... Yeah that's the kind of society you support, and then to sit here and admit that you have two kid's of your own is simply amazing when think about it.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

and then to sit here and admit that you have two kid's of your own is simply amazing when think about it

It was amazing to me that when I as their father held both my newborn daughters for the very first time and felt them squeeze my finger with their tiny strong little hand they did not look like this:

They had become following the miracle of birth occurring in all mammals - actual living breathing, separate human beings - Americans with their own individual rights.

Same goes for my grand kids and one great grandkid

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You support chaos in society is what you support

It was amazing to me that when I as their father held both my newborn daughters for the very first time and felt them squeeze my finger with their tiny strong little hand

I live near DC and my eldest daughters’ younger sister now lives in the White Evangelical Christian & Catholic Taliban controlled state of Texas.

Mid-July My Grandaughter from Texas, 17 years of age, came to a UNIVERSITY for a week in my area to participate in a pre-med workshop. When finished she had scheduled a couple of days to spend some time in the areas so I Joined her for a full day and what a joy it was to spend with the vivacious spitting image of her mother, accomplished pianist, brilliant creative mind and dog loving young adult all to myself for a day. When the subject of the Texas bans on abortion And the loss of womens’ rights came up her exact words were “what the ****, She will be politically active and it made me feel encouraged to know that her generation will not submit to the power craven authoritarian workings of the American Republican Taliban.

Your chaos and religious oppression will be stymied until dead in its tracks beagle9 You can take it to your church and spread the news.

 

[White 6]

I'm not playing games either. It was a fair question. If not human life than what? Property? I have no problem with the each state deciding how to balance the rights. But it's disingenuous to characterize it as anything other than what it is; ending a human life.

I'm glad my question bothered you. Seeing human life as property should make you feel uncomfortable. Especially given your amoral position. In some ways amorality is worse than immorality.

Only in your mind. Supposedly simple, one size fits all circumstance rarely fit all, and little or no discretion for individual potential mothers is made. You bother me in your characterization, only.

 

[ding]

Only in your mind. Supposedly simple, one size fits all circumstance rarely fit all, and little or no discretion for individual potential mothers is made. You bother me in your characterization, only.

The only thing I have characterized is the scientific basis for when a new, genetically distinct human being comes into existence. Everything else you have imagined was manufactured by you and exists only in your mind. So I have no idea why you believe I believe one size fits all. As for you being bothered by my characterization? Good. You should be.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The only thing I have characterized is the scientific basis for when a new, genetically distinct human being comes into existence

It’s how you apply the science per your Catholic biased brain that is flawed, not the science itself. You mangle the means by which human beings communicate with each other.

 

[ding]

It’s how you apply the science per your Catholic biased brain that is flawed, not the science itself. You mangle the means by which human beings communicate with each other.

You mean embryology textbooks are flawed. Because this is what they teach.

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”

Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”

Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”
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James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”

Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”

Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“A zygote (a single fertilized egg cell) represents the onset of pregnancy and the genesis of new life.”

Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”

Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3

“Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism…. At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun…. The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life.”

Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand’s Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, [at conception] the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974

“The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote.”

Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.

“In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”

Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.

“Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments… The zygote … is a unicellular embryo..”

Human Embryology & Teratology, Ronan R. O’Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996), 5-55.

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The only thing I have characterized is the scientific basis for when a new, genetically distinct human being comes into existence.

In science and homicide law a “SEPARATE” new, genetically distinct living breathing human being comes into existence only when it breathes its first breath and the biological process of oxygenating its own DNA labeled blood to survive.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You mean embryology textbooks are flawed. Because this is what they teach.

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Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30


Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.


Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)


Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.


Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.


Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co


James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)


Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144


Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55


DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584


Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419


Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53


Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3


Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand’s Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943


Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974


Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3


Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.


Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.


Human Embryology & Teratology, Ronan R. O’Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996), 5-55.


The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18

Your chart is faked and false because this depicts fetal scientific reality

Your chart clearly does not? Why?

 

[White 6]

The only thing I have characterized is the scientific basis for when a new, genetically distinct human being comes into existence. Everything else you have imagined was manufactured by you and exists only in your mind. So I have no idea why you believe I believe one size fits all. As for you being bothered by my characterization? Good. You should be.

And because of that, I am supposed to care? In general, I really do not. I refuse to take up your cause, as it is your cause, not mine. If you expect me to bother, even treating you with respect for your position, you had best remember, I have kicked a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses off my front porch, as I was not in the mood to be proselytized to, by people that wanted to sell me their point of view. I simply wanted them to **** off, though never putting it in those exact words, but they got my message and went on to more fertile prospects. Can you feel me?