Robert B. Reich: The Bankruptcy Of Detroit And The Division Of America

[Freemason9]

Tell us all, please, how "progressive policies" destroyed Detroit?

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

 

[The Rabbi]

Tell us all, please, how "progressive policies" destroyed Detroit?

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

Actually your solutions are unworkable. Because they don't address the root causes of why that decay is occurring. Those causes are usually high taxes, high levels of regulation, and poor city services.

 

[Freemason9]

Tell us all, please, how "progressive policies" destroyed Detroit?

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

Actually your solutions are unworkable. Because they don't address the root causes of why that decay is occurring. Those causes are usually high taxes, high levels of regulation, and poor city services.

Taxes are NOT the problem--unemployment and low wages ARE the problem. This tax obsession from you old fucks is getting old. Fix the wage structure, and people are happy to pay taxes. If you want to see an improved economy--just raise the damned wages and create jobs.

Also, tell me what specific regulations you would eliminate to create this economic boom you imagine in inner cities that would counteract the loss of the manufacturing base to overseas corporations.

 

[The Rabbi]

Tell us all, please, how "progressive policies" destroyed Detroit?

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

Actually your solutions are unworkable. Because they don't address the root causes of why that decay is occurring. Those causes are usually high taxes, high levels of regulation, and poor city services.

Taxes are NOT the problem--unemployment and low wages ARE the problem. This tax obsession from you old fucks is getting old. Fix the wage structure, and people are happy to pay taxes. If you want to see an improved economy--just raise the damned wages and create jobs.

Also, tell me what specific regulations you would eliminate to create this economic boom you imagine in inner cities that would counteract the loss of the manufacturing base to overseas corporations.

So mandating increased costs on business will make them more profitable? WHere do they teach this stuff??

Every municipality is beset with a horrid series of regulations. Business licenses on every activity, sales taxes, building codes, permit fees, income taxes, on and on. Those have killed more business ideas than anything else.

 

[The Rabbi]

Tell us all, please, how "progressive policies" destroyed Detroit?

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

Actually your solutions are unworkable. Because they don't address the root causes of why that decay is occurring. Those causes are usually high taxes, high levels of regulation, and poor city services.

Taxes are NOT the problem--unemployment and low wages ARE the problem. This tax obsession from you old fucks is getting old. Fix the wage structure, and people are happy to pay taxes. If you want to see an improved economy--just raise the damned wages and create jobs.

Also, tell me what specific regulations you would eliminate to create this economic boom you imagine in inner cities that would counteract the loss of the manufacturing base to overseas corporations.

So mandating increased costs on business will make them more profitable? WHere do they teach this stuff??

Every municipality is beset with a horrid series of regulations. Business licenses on every activity, sales taxes, building codes, permit fees, income taxes, on and on. Those have killed more business ideas than anything else.

 

[Freemason9]

Tell us all, please, how "progressive policies" destroyed Detroit?

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

Actually your solutions are unworkable. Because they don't address the root causes of why that decay is occurring. Those causes are usually high taxes, high levels of regulation, and poor city services.

Taxes are NOT the problem--unemployment and low wages ARE the problem. This tax obsession from you old fucks is getting old. Fix the wage structure, and people are happy to pay taxes. If you want to see an improved economy--just raise the damned wages and create jobs.

Also, tell me what specific regulations you would eliminate to create this economic boom you imagine in inner cities that would counteract the loss of the manufacturing base to overseas corporations.

So mandating increased costs on business will make them more profitable? WHere do they teach this stuff??

Every municipality is beset with a horrid series of regulations. Business licenses on every activity, sales taxes, building codes, permit fees, income taxes, on and on. Those have killed more business ideas than anything else.

(1) You must spend money to make money--unless, of course, you are a capitalist and make money from simply sucking air.

(2) Again, I ask you to specify regulations that you would eliminate for the betterment of the economy.

 

[BluesLegend]

Detroit is the ultimate Progressive success story: Take a world class US City, destroy the local economy and drag it down to third World shit hole status.

Mission Accomplished

Damn I have nothing to add you nailed it!

 

[Uncensored2008]

The UAW and Democrats designed cars that would not sell and made investors rich instead of investing in an aging infrastructure?

Yes, investors get rich when cars don't sell.

The level of stupidity from you is astounding, Comrade.

 

[Uncensored2008]

AGAIN? Such utter right wing bullshit. This a a problem ALL cities eventually face.

Thanks for the cut-and-paste, but what precisely was incorrect about my post?

And perhaps you can respond without personal attacks and name-calling, thanks.

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This is not about pc.

You're not actually capable of a single thought of your own, are you? Without the hate sites to cut and paste from, you have nothing at all to say.

On the evolutionary scale, democrats occupy the same level as termites. You cannot operate without the hive defining thoughts and actions for you.

 

[The Rabbi]

Because progressives fail to understand the problems that they want to fix, their solutions make things worse. All cities rot from the center our, and if you don't understand that, then you cannot properly stop the rot. The first mistake, is downtown redevelopment, ususally started with a downtown redevelopement agency. This takes money away from the rest of the city, and that begins to deteriorate. However, the political elite live and/or work in the city center, and that is what is important to them.

Not enough tax money? Absorb more areas and increase the tax base. Use that money in an attempt to stop the rot that was allowed by putting all the money downtown. Then the area absorbed begins to deteriorate because the money that used to repair their roads is now repairing roads in the old city.

As taxes go up in the city, and conditions continue to degrade, the middle class pack up and move further out. Lower income people move into the now cheaper neighborhoods, and the cycle continues. A ring of rot slowly moves out and engulfs more of the city. Anyone looking will see that ring of rot in just about every city in America.

How to fix this? Pass a national law that makes it a hanging offense to even mention downtown redevelopment. Those people want their neighhorhood redevelped, they can afford to do it themselves.

So your solution for redeveloping deteriorating business districts is to stop development efforts? And your solution for insufficient tax revenues to cope with population growth is to limit the tax base?

You see, this is why it appears that people like you have no solutions. Because you don't. And, BTW, redevelopment efforts and annexation are not "progressive" policies--they are embraced by a wide variety of economic development professionals.

Actually your solutions are unworkable. Because they don't address the root causes of why that decay is occurring. Those causes are usually high taxes, high levels of regulation, and poor city services.

Taxes are NOT the problem--unemployment and low wages ARE the problem. This tax obsession from you old fucks is getting old. Fix the wage structure, and people are happy to pay taxes. If you want to see an improved economy--just raise the damned wages and create jobs.

Also, tell me what specific regulations you would eliminate to create this economic boom you imagine in inner cities that would counteract the loss of the manufacturing base to overseas corporations.

So mandating increased costs on business will make them more profitable? WHere do they teach this stuff??

Every municipality is beset with a horrid series of regulations. Business licenses on every activity, sales taxes, building codes, permit fees, income taxes, on and on. Those have killed more business ideas than anything else.

(1) You must spend money to make money--unless, of course, you are a capitalist and make money from simply sucking air.

(2) Again, I ask you to specify regulations that you would eliminate for the betterment of the economy.

You think capitalists don't invest money to create or expand businesses? How stupid are you?
There are tons of regulations in each municipality that discourage new or expanding business. I named some of them.

 

[Bfgrn]

It is clear which side of the aisle the ONLY hope of ending the PA will ever come from...CRYSTAL

You are just too stupid to comprehend that. We don't live in a perfect world.

A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde

Let's see. Republicans enacted it and put a sunset provision in.
Democrats re-enacted it without a sunset provision.
Yup, crystal clear all right. Vote GOP. End the Patriot Act.

I had no idea Heritage represented the GOP.
The facts are as I laid out: Democrats voted to extend Patriot. I will bet they will do so again. And Obama will sign the bill.
Go lobby Democrats against it.

Are you THAT fucking stupid? Even a 1st grader could decipher that Democrats vote to END the Patriot Act in 2006 and in 2011.

So tell me Rabbi, HOW did it pass?


House Vote Roll Call on 2006 Patriot Act Renewal on March 7, 2006

FYI...

2011

And how did the 'Tea-party 'patriots' vote?

122 Tea Party Members of Congress who voted FOR final passage of H.R. 514, reauthorizing the Patriot Act without reform

17 Tea Party Members of Congress who voted AGAINST final passage of H.R. 514, reauthorizing the Patriot Act without reform

I see the act passed with support from Democrats.
There's your problem right there.

WOW, this has to be your ultimate pea brain moment Rabbi. Even a 1st grader would be able to understand this. But not you...

 

[Bfgrn]

AGAIN? Such utter right wing bullshit. This a a problem ALL cities eventually face.

Thanks for the cut-and-paste, but what precisely was incorrect about my post?

And perhaps you can respond without personal attacks and name-calling, thanks.

.

This is not about pc.

You're not actually capable of a single thought of your own, are you? Without the hate sites to cut and paste from, you have nothing at all to say.

On the evolutionary scale, democrats occupy the same level as termites. You cannot operate without the hive defining thoughts and actions for you.

On any evolutionary scale, I am a thousand times more intelligent than you.

I challenge you to provide these 'hate' sites.

 

[Rikurzhen]

On any evolutionary scale, I am a thousand times more intelligent than you.

Racist!!!!!! How dare you accept evolution as applying to humans. We're all equally intelligent.