Rewriting History

[Dad2three]

We've tried throwing money at it. It didn't work.

U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS News

The United States spends more than other developed nations on its students' education each year, with parents and private foundations picking up more of the costs, an international survey released Tuesday found.

Despite the spending, U.S. students still trail their rivals on international tests.

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The United States spent more than $11,000 per elementary student in 2010 and more than $12,000 per high school student. When researchers factored in the cost for programs after high school education such as college or vocational training, the United States spent $15,171 on each young person in the system — more than any other nation covered in the report.

That sum inched past some developed countries and far surpassed others. Switzerland's total spending per student was $14,922 while Mexico averaged $2,993 in 2010. The average OECD nation spent $9,313 per young person.

As a share of its economy, the United States spent more than the average country in the survey. In 2010, the United States spent 7.3 percent of its gross domestic product on education, compared with the 6.3 percent average of other OECD countries. Denmark topped the list on that measure with 8 percent of its gross domestic product going toward education.​

Liberal control of education obviously doesn't work.

But, hey -- I bet you got a LOT of participation medals, didn't you?

Got it, IGNORE my posit of the post and argue from a false premise. Conservatives *shaking head*


US Spent less than 5.5% of GDP


List of countries by spending on education (% of GDP) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Public spending on education, total (% of GDP) | Data | Table




The United States spent 20 percent of the federal budget on defense in 2011.


Federal education spending accounts for just 3 percent of the $3.5 trillion the government spent in 2012


The figure includes the annual appropriation for the entire Department of Education ($67.4 billion), so-called mandatory spending at the department ($16.3 billion), the school breakfast and lunch programs ($14.8 billion), the refundable portion of a higher education tax credit ($6.6 billion), the Head Start program ($8.0 billion) and the subsidy provided on all of the student loans the government will disburse in one year (which happened to be negative — -$5.5 billion — last year).


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/putting-a-number-on-federal-education-spending/

Got it. You want to throw MORE money at it...despite it not working.

The problem with the conservative movement in America is that it is based on bigotry, hatred, and, greed. Above all, greed. Money is their god. They worship money and the holders of it and despise those who don't have it.

The problem with you is you're a retard who can't think for himself.

Seriously, dood. You're Bitter, Angry Liberal, straight from Central Casting. You're a caricature.

And that's ALL you'll ever be.

Surprise me -- DON'T respond with something that will boil down to "No, YOU!!"

Got it, you don't want to actually face the posit, instead you attack and use ad homs then project. You must be a conservative

 

[JakeStarkey]

False premises, distortions and LIES, the only thing right wingers EVER have

Look at these so called conservative guru's, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck ( the three wise monkeys) you name it, everyone of them dropped out of college, too dumb possibly, but more likely too close minded to accept any other opinion or theory!!!

Who cares what level of education the RW radio personalities have, the fact remains that Zinn has a PhD, and is a renowned prevaricator. All that means is he can wrap his lies up in pretty language. They're still lies, just like his buddy Noam's.

Got it, YOUR opinion, which means what again?

Anyone who downplays the importance of education in developing a critical ability to comprehend the modern age can be ignored.

 

[Dad2three]

Got it, a right winger who doesn't know how to critically think. I'm shocked

Your problem is I DO think critically.

You don't want that. You want instant, unthinking, uncritical acceptance and endorsement -- you know, like what you give Zinn, beloved "historian" of Marxists everywhere.

You mean history, that would take hundreds of books to compile, isn't ALL in Zinn's WONDERFUL book? I'm shocked?

You shock easily. Flashbacks from the electroshock therapy, perhaps?

A military historian huh? Wow, Who's have thunk HE'D have a problem with Zinn

So would anyone who knew what actually happened.

In the book, Zinn seeks to present American history through the eyes of the common people rather than political and economic elites. A People's History has been assigned as reading in many high schools and colleges across the United States



It has also resulted in a change in the focus of historical work, which now includes stories that previously were ignored


The book was a runner-up in 1980 for the National Book Award

So? Lady GaGa is popular, too. Doesn't mean her work is worth anything.

Zinn's a liar. America-hating progressives love that shit.

ONE policy the conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on American policy? Just one?

 

[Dad2three]

Name a negative source.

Liberals don't love Obama, liberals are angry at Obama, but we also don't like conservatives blaming everything on Obama when they are obstructing congress and when there is no reason to believe Republican candidates would act any better than Obama. Obama is a conservative, just not nearly as conservative as the Republicans have become in recent years.

Obama is not a "conservative" you twit. Conservatives are not in favor of big government.
That's why the TEA party has been targeting RINO's more than Democrats in their political races because there are almost NO conservatives in government anymore.

You're just parroting more of the same progressive propaganda. Obama has sold his soul to the multi national corporations and THAT is why the progressives are pissed at him. They were hoping he would go full dictator and they are pissed that he decided being rich was better than being a dictator of a totally fucked up progressive nightmare.

He's not stupid. He see's what happens in progressive "utopias", they suck.

"That's why the TEA party has been targeting RINO's more than Democrats in their political races because there are almost NO conservatives in government anymore."



CBO: Fed tax rates hit historic low

The average tax rates for American households reached a historical low in 2009, according to a report issued by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

Indeed, federal taxes for American households averaged 17.4 percent in 2009, a historical low over the 1979 to 2009 period.

WEIRD, WASN'T THAT WHEN THE TP (BIRCHERS) WERE FORMED?


CBO: Fed tax rates hit historic low - Tim Mak - POLITICO.com


Your taxes are really low, in one chart

The average filer saw her effective tax rate drop from 22 percent in 1979 to 18.1 percent in 2010

Your taxes are really low, in one chart - The Washington Post


Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950


Federal, state and local income taxes consumed 9.2% of all personal income in 2009, the lowest rate since 1950

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com

 

[daveman]

"Liberal control of education obviously doesn't work"

That statement is fine with me. However, if you are going to present an "America is great" kind of let's cheer for America curriculum then I would have a huge problem with that as well. Present only facts and let the kids judge for themselves and if they don't have a favorable opinion of a historical event then that's good in my eyes. If we go with the conservative plan or outlook on schools and teachers we

1). Cut teacher pay
2). Cut benefits as they somehow are a drain on the so called "makers"
3). Judge everything on test scores

Conservatives should be clamoring for the good teachers to be making DOUBLE what they are now because their mantra is to blame teachers firmest. How do you feel about that? How about a kindergarten teacher making over 100 grand per year plus beanies? I'm all for it.

Odd, I'm a conservative...and I don't believe those three points.

Yes, good teachers should be rewarded (conservatives believe in meritocracy). Bad teachers should be fired -- and the left howls in rage whenever anyone suggests that.

As I've shown, continually throwing money at it hasn't helped.

 

[daveman]

Liberals don't love Obama, liberals are angry at Obama, but we also don't like conservatives blaming everything on Obama when they are obstructing congress and when there is no reason to believe Republican candidates would act any better than Obama. Obama is a conservative, just not nearly as conservative as the Republicans have become in recent years.

To a Marxist, a Socialist looks like a conservative.

Re: Liberals not loving Obama:

Is Barack Obama the Messiah?

OBAMA CONVERSION STORIES

"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."

-- Michelle Obama

"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."

-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)

"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."

--Lawrence Carter

"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."

-- Dinesh Sharma

"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."

-- Chicago] Sun-Times

"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"

-- Mark Morford

"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"

-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama

"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"

-- Daily Kos

"He communicates God-like energy..."

-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"

-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."

-- Halle Berry

"A quantum leap in American consciousness"

-- Deepak Chopra

"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart

"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."

-- Eve Konstantine

"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews

"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."

-- Toni Morrison

"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."

-- Ezra Klein

"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."

-- Gerald Campbell

"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."

-- Oprah Winfrey

“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."

-- Bill Rush​

LOL, Grow up and grow a brain, PLEASE

It's not me worshiping Obama.

It's leftists like you.

Tell THEM to grow a brain. Tell yourself, while you're at it.

 

[daveman]

False premises, distortions and LIES, the only thing right wingers EVER have


Look at these so called conservative guru's, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck ( the three wise monkeys) you name it, everyone of them dropped out of college, too dumb possibly, but more likely too close minded to accept any other opinion or theory!!!

Where did you go to college, and what was your major?

Me, I went to Vincennes University, Vincennes, IN, majoring in Laser/Electro-Optics and minoring in Electronics.

Throughout my Air Force career, I earned numerous credits from the Community College of the Air Force.

After I retired, I went to the local community & technical college to study welding. My VU and CCAF transfer credits totaled 174.

You?

Cal Poly SLO Sociology Major, History Minor

AND?

Squishy stuff. Figures.

Thanks for proving something I've said for years: Educated isn't synonymous with intelligent.

 

[daveman]

Got it, IGNORE my posit of the post and argue from a false premise. Conservatives *shaking head*


US Spent less than 5.5% of GDP


List of countries by spending on education (% of GDP) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Public spending on education, total (% of GDP) | Data | Table




The United States spent 20 percent of the federal budget on defense in 2011.


Federal education spending accounts for just 3 percent of the $3.5 trillion the government spent in 2012


The figure includes the annual appropriation for the entire Department of Education ($67.4 billion), so-called mandatory spending at the department ($16.3 billion), the school breakfast and lunch programs ($14.8 billion), the refundable portion of a higher education tax credit ($6.6 billion), the Head Start program ($8.0 billion) and the subsidy provided on all of the student loans the government will disburse in one year (which happened to be negative — -$5.5 billion — last year).


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/putting-a-number-on-federal-education-spending/

Got it. You want to throw MORE money at it...despite it not working.

The problem with the conservative movement in America is that it is based on bigotry, hatred, and, greed. Above all, greed. Money is their god. They worship money and the holders of it and despise those who don't have it.

The problem with you is you're a retard who can't think for himself.

Seriously, dood. You're Bitter, Angry Liberal, straight from Central Casting. You're a caricature.

And that's ALL you'll ever be.

Surprise me -- DON'T respond with something that will boil down to "No, YOU!!"

Got it, you don't want to actually face the posit, instead you attack and use ad homs then project. You must be a conservative

When are you going to face what I've presented? Throwing more money at it just doesn't work.

 

[daveman]

Got it, a right winger who doesn't know how to critically think. I'm shocked

Your problem is I DO think critically.

You don't want that. You want instant, unthinking, uncritical acceptance and endorsement -- you know, like what you give Zinn, beloved "historian" of Marxists everywhere.

You shock easily. Flashbacks from the electroshock therapy, perhaps?

So would anyone who knew what actually happened.

In the book, Zinn seeks to present American history through the eyes of the common people rather than political and economic elites. A People's History has been assigned as reading in many high schools and colleges across the United States



It has also resulted in a change in the focus of historical work, which now includes stories that previously were ignored


The book was a runner-up in 1980 for the National Book Award

So? Lady GaGa is popular, too. Doesn't mean her work is worth anything.

Zinn's a liar. America-hating progressives love that shit.

ONE policy the conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on American policy? Just one?

The big government that progressives want simply isn't sustainable.

You can tell because of the debt. It keeps betting bigger, yet progressives clamor for more government.

Who's gonna pay for it?

 

[initforme]

"
Yes, good teachers should be rewarded (conservatives believe in meritocracy). Bad teachers should be fired -- and the left howls in rage whenever anyone suggests that."

Ok then. I don't hear of much so called "merit pay" being paid out. Your fellow brethren disagree with you then. All I hear from conservatives is teachers are overpaid and are a drain on the so called "makers" (of which I must be one because I owned my own business, but I feel teachers get the total shaft.")

 

[warwulf]

[Little note for you, Pointy Hat:The Jew did not fuck up your life. YOU did.

Ok Davey, since NASA isn't beating down your door and this is a relatively simple question, you probably won't have to ask your 5 yr old kid for advice on it. What makes my post about who actually owns the publishing companies and who are freely and OPENLY allowing the Communists to change our history, the ENTIRE PERSPECTIVE and the FEELINGS of the people at that time make you think I'm a Klanner?
Seriously. Is that what you leftist do when you can't prove me or anyone else who opposes your twisted logic?
What makes you think or ASSume I have a fucked up life? Just because I post about the truth? How about YOU lil Davey? How's life living in your mommies basement. You know, if you got paid for your anal sex maybe you wouldn't be on welfare. Actually, I have a pretty good life and a positive attitude. Always try to learn something new every day. That's my motto. Now go play in the catbox because I just put up a big pirate sign and there's treasure buried there.

 

[westwall]

Leftists, it should tell you something that your philosophy can't survive without forcing it on people too unsophisticated to question it.

It should, but it won't.

in fact they rely on it

One of the beauties of history is that historians are constantly questioning history, that's one of their jobs. Did George Washington cut down a cherry tree and then tell his father.... Did FDR know of the coming raid on Pearl Harbor?
The problem with history is there are so many facets and so many ways to interpret, and on these boards history usually has a political facet added to muddy the waters.

Yes, historians are always trying to figure out some new slant to their interpretation of history, political operatives like Zinn and Chomskey however alter and distort history in pursuit of their political goals. They are entirely different animals.

 

[Dad2three]

Where did you go to college, and what was your major?

Me, I went to Vincennes University, Vincennes, IN, majoring in Laser/Electro-Optics and minoring in Electronics.

Throughout my Air Force career, I earned numerous credits from the Community College of the Air Force.

After I retired, I went to the local community & technical college to study welding. My VU and CCAF transfer credits totaled 174.

You?

Cal Poly SLO Sociology Major, History Minor

AND?

Squishy stuff. Figures.

Thanks for proving something I've said for years: Educated isn't synonymous with intelligent.

So exactly 2 degrees more than Rushblo, Insannitty and Cry Baby Beck...

 

[Dad2three]

Your problem is I DO think critically.

You don't want that. You want instant, unthinking, uncritical acceptance and endorsement -- you know, like what you give Zinn, beloved "historian" of Marxists everywhere.

You shock easily. Flashbacks from the electroshock therapy, perhaps?

So would anyone who knew what actually happened.

So? Lady GaGa is popular, too. Doesn't mean her work is worth anything.

Zinn's a liar. America-hating progressives love that shit.

ONE policy the conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on American policy? Just one?

The big government that progressives want simply isn't sustainable.

You can tell because of the debt. It keeps betting bigger, yet progressives clamor for more government.

Who's gonna pay for it?

You are right, that IS one policy conservative have gotten correct


"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending[ by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending

Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."


Starve the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits

Tax Cuts, War Costs Do Lasting Harm to Budget Outlook


Just two policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for nearly $6 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019 (including associated debt-service costs of $1.4 trillion). By 2019, we estimate that these two policies will account for almost half — over $8 trillion — of the $17 trillion in debt that will be owed under current policies.


Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


Never in the history of this country have we started a war, let alone two wars and cut taxes. Until......................

 

[JakeStarkey]

big government is easily sustainable

the issue is if the electorate is willing to pay the price

 

[daveman]

"
Yes, good teachers should be rewarded (conservatives believe in meritocracy). Bad teachers should be fired -- and the left howls in rage whenever anyone suggests that."

Ok then. I don't hear of much so called "merit pay" being paid out. Your fellow brethren disagree with you then. All I hear from conservatives is teachers are overpaid and are a drain on the so called "makers" (of which I must be one because I owned my own business, but I feel teachers get the total shaft.")

You can not find a conservative who does not support merit pay. Period.

 

[daveman]

[Little note for you, Pointy Hat:The Jew did not fuck up your life. YOU did.

Ok Davey, since NASA isn't beating down your door and this is a relatively simple question, you probably won't have to ask your 5 yr old kid for advice on it. What makes my post about who actually owns the publishing companies and who are freely and OPENLY allowing the Communists to change our history, the ENTIRE PERSPECTIVE and the FEELINGS of the people at that time make you think I'm a Klanner?
Seriously. Is that what you leftist do when you can't prove me or anyone else who opposes your twisted logic?
What makes you think or ASSume I have a fucked up life? Just because I post about the truth? How about YOU lil Davey? How's life living in your mommies basement. You know, if you got paid for your anal sex maybe you wouldn't be on welfare. Actually, I have a pretty good life and a positive attitude. Always try to learn something new every day. That's my motto. Now go play in the catbox because I just put up a big pirate sign and there's treasure buried there.

Your retarded racism makes me think you're a Klanner. Moron.

You really are stupid, stupid little man.

 

[daveman]

Cal Poly SLO Sociology Major, History Minor

AND?

Squishy stuff. Figures.

Thanks for proving something I've said for years: Educated isn't synonymous with intelligent.

So exactly 2 degrees more than Rushblo, Insannitty and Cry Baby Beck...

I have no idea why you're insisting I defend people I don't listen to.

Perhaps because you lack the wit to understand that people have no obligation to live according to your bigotry...?

 

[daveman]

ONE policy the conservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on American policy? Just one?

The big government that progressives want simply isn't sustainable.

You can tell because of the debt. It keeps betting bigger, yet progressives clamor for more government.

Who's gonna pay for it?

You are right, that IS one policy conservative have gotten correct


"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives in order to limit government spending[ by cutting taxes in order to deprive the government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force the federal government to reduce spending

Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."


Starve the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Projected Deficits

Tax Cuts, War Costs Do Lasting Harm to Budget Outlook


Just two policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for nearly $6 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019 (including associated debt-service costs of $1.4 trillion). By 2019, we estimate that these two policies will account for almost half — over $8 trillion — of the $17 trillion in debt that will be owed under current policies.


Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits ? Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


Never in the history of this country have we started a war, let alone two wars and cut taxes. Until......................

So, GOP debt is bad...but Obama's debt is good and righteous and holy.

That about cover it?

 

[daveman]

big government is easily sustainable

the issue is if the electorate is willing to pay the price

You can't pay for your precious nanny state on the backs of the rich, Fakey. There's just not enough money there.

You have to take money from the middle class. Period.