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Who the fuck cares? You said horseback which that is definitely not, you fucking Russki!
you're also autistic. Do not forget how many sausages you eat for breakfast and at what time
I heard that autistic people were not previously recruited into the US military due to their low IQ. Did they make an exception for you?
 
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Of course, my English is bad, I mostly write through a translator, but only you have problems with understanding. I think this is precisely because of this problem.
 

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you're also autistic. Do not forget how many sausages you eat for breakfast and at what time
I heard that autistic people were not previously recruited into the US military due to their low IQ. Did they make an exception for you?
Fuck you and the tachanka you rode in on! You lied, again and again!

I don't eat sausages because lowlifes like you stuff them up their ass for pleasure.

Autism has nothing to do with IQ.
 

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Of course, my English is bad, I mostly write through a translator, but only you have problems with understanding. I think this is precisely because of this problem.
Then stop posting on an English language site if you don't know the language you eastern European fudge packer!
 
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there were such installations by the way

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World War II killed about 50 million infantry
Bullshit! Only 15 million military personnel were killed in battle.

Can't you get a single thing right? Someone is starting to appear as mentally retarded, and his user name is rupol2000. Or should I say her username?
 

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there were such installations by the way

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horseback
Hey fucktard, notice the legs on the machine gun, the horse is carrying it as there is no possible way to fire the weapon as it had no stability and nowhere for the soldier to fire it from. The horse would be the first casualty if you tried something that stupid!
 

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You have real problems. Have you also talked about latent homosexuality here? A normal person, even if he thinks of this, will never say, you have obsessive thoughts


It has. The average IQ of autists is significantly lower.
I was a teacher. Once again you know nothing about what you speak. I had an autistic student that was a borderline genius in mathematics. I guess you never heard of children with autism that were high functioning.
 
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Listen, do you really have anything to do with military affairs? Dragoons are cavalry lol
This is a kind of cavalry troops with their own specifics. As fighters are part of the aviation, so the dragoons are part of the cavalry, their peculiarity is that they can act on foot, but this does not negate that these are cavalry units
Dragoons are not cavalry. Dragoons are mounted infantry. Whole different mission. Cavalry scouts and screens from other cavalry (either horse mounted, helo mounted or mechanized). Dragoons use horses, or in modern terms mechanized fighting vehicles to get to the battle, then fight on foot.
 

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Dragoons are not cavalry. Dragoons are mounted infantry.

Hence, my no longer paying attention to RuPaul. Just the statement that "Dragoons are Cavalry" shows he knows almost nothing about the military.

Dragoons do not fight from their horses, they are just transportation. Typically 1 man in 4 would remain back holding the horses as the other 3 moved forward to engage the enemy. They were organized in companies, not troops like cavalry. Their signals were given via drums, not bugles like cavalry. They did not fight from horseback unless they absolutely had to, normally only if run down by cavalry as they were trying to disengage. If given a chance, they would always dismount as they had no weapons or training suitable for actually fighting from horseback.
 

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Horses have more than just deployment advantage. Deployment isn't about cavalry at all, it's an infantry term, it's used for linear tactics.

The horse is better in all respects, and the cavalry is the elite of the elite since the chariots of 2000 BC, it is the highest military aristocracy and the best warriors of all time.
You are an ignorant idiot. Aristocratic cavalry went out in the Crimean War. There is an old saying about cavalrymen, they only need to know two things, how to charge gallantly and how to die gallantly. Cavalry stopped being elite when the rifled musket was introduced. Horse cavalry couldn't cross the beaten zone of rifles without being slaughtered. When a rifle armed infantry unit can fire twenty or more rounds per man in the time it takes a cavalry unit to charge, none of the cavalrymen survive the experience. That's why you will find NO successful cavalry charges against unshaken infantry units in the ACW. Quick firing artillery and machine guns ended any possible use for horse cavalry except for scouting or mobility in very bad terrain like Afghanistan.
 

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there were such installations by the way

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Packed on horseback, fired from the ground. Notice the ground carriage. That gun and carriage weighed about the same as a man and the horse couldn't carry both. That's a Maxim gun; gun, carriage and water for cooling weighed 67.6 kilograms or 148.72 pounds, plus another fifty or so pounds of basic load ammo. You also might notice the uniforms of the German soldiers- they are infantry, NOT cavalry. The horse is simply to add mobility to the gun.
 

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You are an ignorant idiot. Aristocratic cavalry went out in the Crimean War. There is an old saying about cavalrymen, they only need to know two things, how to charge gallantly and how to die gallantly. Cavalry stopped being elite when the rifled musket was introduced. Horse cavalry couldn't cross the beaten zone of rifles without being slaughtered. When a rifle armed infantry unit can fire twenty or more rounds per man in the time it takes a cavalry unit to charge, none of the cavalrymen survive the experience. That's why you will find NO successful cavalry charges against unshaken infantry units in the ACW. Quick firing artillery and machine guns ended any possible use for horse cavalry except for scouting or mobility in very bad terrain like Afghanistan.

This can be seen in the US Revolution. There was really no cavalry involved in that conflict at all, but there were Dragoon units. The British fielded the 16th and 17th Dragoons, mostly in scouting, and protecting logistics trains. They did hire a unit of Prussian Dragoons, but did not even provide horses and used them strictly as infantry.

The US side also fielded dragoons. "Light Horse Harry Lee" was one of the most well known Dragoon commanders on the American side. As was William Washington, cousin of the future President.

Even by the US Revolution, traditional cavalry was dying, instead adopting more of a scouting and disrupting tactics than their traditional one. And the 1st Air Cavalry really is Dragoons, but the name was mostly political as cavalry is more "romantic" and few outside of military historians even know what "dragoons" are anymore. The 2nd Cavalry Regiment was known as the 2nd Dragoons until a reorganization in 1948.
 

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Packed on horseback, fired from the ground. Notice the ground carriage. That gun and carriage weighed about the same as a man and the horse couldn't carry both. That's a Maxim gun; gun, carriage and water for cooling weighed 67.6 kilograms or 148.72 pounds, plus another fifty or so pounds of basic load ammo. You also might notice the uniforms of the German soldiers- they are infantry, NOT cavalry. The horse is simply to add mobility to the gun.


Hell, the US did it even better.

We had horse mounted artillery in WWII!

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Firing the artillery could get you another 4 miles per hour in a withdrawal.
 
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Dragoons are not cavalry. Dragoons are mounted infantry. Whole different mission. Cavalry scouts and screens from other cavalry (either horse mounted, helo mounted or mechanized). Dragoons use horses, or in modern terms mechanized fighting vehicles to get to the battle, then fight on foot.
It is generally accepted that this is a kind of cavalry, the horseman can fight on horseback and on foot
 
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The US side also fielded dragoons. "Light Horse Harry Lee" was one of the most well known Dragoon commanders on the American side. As was William Washington, cousin of the future President.
there was also a hussar regiment, purely cavalry.
 
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You are an ignorant idiot. Aristocratic cavalry went out in the Crimean War. There is an old saying about cavalrymen, they only need to know two things, how to charge gallantly and how to die gallantly. Cavalry stopped being elite when the rifled musket was introduced. Horse cavalry couldn't cross the beaten zone of rifles without being slaughtered. When a rifle armed infantry unit can fire twenty or more rounds per man in the time it takes a cavalry unit to charge, none of the cavalrymen survive the experience. That's why you will find NO successful cavalry charges against unshaken infantry units in the ACW. Quick firing artillery and machine guns ended any possible use for horse cavalry except for scouting or mobility in very bad terrain like Afghanistan.
You're an idiot. Rifled weapons were already in the 16th century, and in the 19th century, the few Austro-Hungarian hussars persecuted all the numerous rabble of Napoleon, which he recruited from all over Europe with muskets. Although they also used a firearm. In general, you are right, the horsemen were lose because of the firearms, but not for the reason you are talking about, but because the musketeers could be created from any strata, even recruiting children, because of this, the number of infantry has grown critically.
 

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