Restoring a fire resistant forest

[Old Rocks]

How we can restore our forests to be more fire resistant.

 

[Ringel05]

How we can restore our forests to be more fire resistant.

Petrify them.........

 

[skookerasbil]

Fake

Go check fires in the 1800's...........make some of the California fires we have seen recently look like boy scout campfires!. I've posted up that link too many times to bother anymore!

 

[Old Rocks]

Dumb fuck, in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant. However, had you actually taken the time to view the lecture, you might have learned something. That is what is so pathetic about you deniers. You never, ever read or view anything other than the first sentence. One would think your literacy level is the same as the clown in the White House.

 

[mamooth]

Fuel reduction is a complicated and difficult business. It has to be kept up for years, until some trees grow big. The goal is a mature forest that shades undergrowth and resists crown fires

Thus, the Skook/Republican-endorsed plan of cutting down all the large trees is especially stupid. The large trees are what you want to leave intact. Cutting them down and leaving slash piles makes the land more fire-prone.

 

[skookerasbil]

Dumb fuck, in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant. However, had you actually taken the time to view the lecture, you might have learned something. That is what is so pathetic about you deniers. You never, ever read or view anything other than the first sentence. One would think your literacy level is the same as the clown in the White House.

But why then are all the illiterate dumb fucks winning? You yahoo's have been on this forest fire crap for years now.....as another way of throwing bombs about climate change. But nobody is paying attention.....which means there must be alot of dumb fucks out there all across the country.

Or maybe....they all just think you climate guys get a bit too hysterical about st00pid stuff that is on the radar of very few! Very few. Show me the evidence the public embraces your head exploding emotions? You can opine about the seriousness of the climate change/forest fire link until the cows come home and do it with intellectual bravado 8 ways to Sunday but if it falls on deaf ears, you lose!!

 

[westwall]

How we can restore our forests to be more fire resistant.

Yeah, it's really easy, don't allow the "environmentalists" to prevent proper forest management.

 

[westwall]

Dumb fuck, in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant. However, had you actually taken the time to view the lecture, you might have learned something. That is what is so pathetic about you deniers. You never, ever read or view anything other than the first sentence. One would think your literacy level is the same as the clown in the White House.

No, you know what else we didn't have? Idiotic environmentalists preventing forests from being managed properly. We didn't have dumbfucks, like you, bleating about sustainability while ensuring the absolute destruction of the forests when the fires do come.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Fuel reduction is a complicated and difficult business. It has to be kept up for years, until some trees grow big. The goal is a mature forest that shades undergrowth and resists crown fires

Thus, the Skook/Republican-endorsed plan of cutting down all the large trees is especially stupid. The large trees are what you want to leave intact. Cutting them down and leaving slash piles makes the land more fire-prone.

Clear cutting is actually a good idea with certain tree species, since SHADE INTOLERANT trees like Douglas Fir will not regrow well if at all in selective cutting areas due to lack of sunshine. Shade tolerant trees like Hemlock, MUST be selectively cut or they will eventually vanish from the area to a more shade intolerant tree species. That is one of the main factors in clearcutting or selective cutting decision, which is also dependent on degree of slope, watershed effects and so on.

Clearcutting is a valid logging practice on certain tree species because of their shade intolerance, while Selective cutting is also valid as well due to shade tolerance of certain tree species. Forested areas that are owned by private companies are often better managed than Federally managed lands, because they plant a lot of YOUNG trees that have much greater vigor to fight diseases which old growth usually lack, which is one reason why there are so many bug infestations on Federally managed lands. They don't cut down weak old trees much, fight fires too much or fail to do managed fires to weed them out., therefore it becomes a foothold for bug infestations.

Slash piles are there in part because of environmentalists demanding ground cover, which is silly since the natural forest have little such feature, they are man made that contributes to bigger fires.

 

[polarbear]

Dumb fuck, in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant. However, had you actually taken the time to view the lecture, you might have learned something. That is what is so pathetic about you deniers. You never, ever read or view anything other than the first sentence. One would think your literacy level is the same as the clown in the White House.

I watched all of it. @ the 33:00 time mark he states:
We live in landscapes that were continuously shaped by fire
Historical fire suppression & exclusion + numerous other factors have created high fuel loads, a fire deficit in forests & high contagion crown fire behavior
And you say this was the reason for severe forest fires in the 19th century:
Dumb fuck,in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant.
Which is the opposite of what he said is the main cause and that makes either him or you a "dumb fuck"

 

[skookerasbil]

Dumb fuck, in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant. However, had you actually taken the time to view the lecture, you might have learned something. That is what is so pathetic about you deniers. You never, ever read or view anything other than the first sentence. One would think your literacy level is the same as the clown in the White House.

I watched all of it. @ the 33:00 time mark he states:
We live in landscapes that were continuously shaped by fire
Historical fire suppression & exclusion + numerous other factors have created high fuel loads, a fire deficit in forests & high contagion crown fire behavior
And you say this was the reason for severe forest fires in the 19th century:
Dumb fuck,in the 19th century we did not have a landscape cut up by manmade firebreaks, freeways, farms, ect. We did not have access to the firefighting tools of today. No fire engines, no organized wild firefighting units, no aircraft to drop thousands of tons of retardant.
Which is the opposite of what he said is the main cause and that makes either him or you a "dumb fuck"

Some of the social oddballs out there just dont have the capacity to understand when they've pnn'd themselves!

 

[Leo123]

Fuel reduction is a complicated and difficult business. It has to be kept up for years, until some trees grow big. The goal is a mature forest that shades undergrowth and resists crown fires

Thus, the Skook/Republican-endorsed plan of cutting down all the large trees is especially stupid. The large trees are what you want to leave intact. Cutting them down and leaving slash piles makes the land more fire-prone.

The loggers used to put these fires out quickly alas, they are no longer allowed here in CA due to an owl and insane 'safety' regulations that don't allow quick access to firefighting equipment and people to run it. BTW that particular owl species just lost it's habitat because of the Sierra Club and insane EPA/forestry service 'let it burn' policies. Typical leftist/liberal mental retardation.

 

[mamooth]

The loggers used to put these fires out quickly alas, they are no longer allowed here in CA due to an owl and insane 'safety' regulations that don't allow quick access to firefighting equipment and people to run it. BTW that particular owl species just lost it's habitat because of the Sierra Club and insane EPA/forestry service 'let it burn' policies. Typical leftist/liberal mental retardation.

Usually, the Trumpflakes make up stories about how fires were bigger in the past. Your conspiracy theory about loggers putting out fires is some new stupidity that I'd never heard before. Who fed you that story, and why did you fall for it?

 

[skookerasbil]

The loggers used to put these fires out quickly alas, they are no longer allowed here in CA due to an owl and insane 'safety' regulations that don't allow quick access to firefighting equipment and people to run it. BTW that particular owl species just lost it's habitat because of the Sierra Club and insane EPA/forestry service 'let it burn' policies. Typical leftist/liberal mental retardation.

Usually, the Trumpflakes make up stories about how fires were bigger in the past. Your conspiracy theory about loggers putting out fires is some new stupidity that I'd never heard before. Who fed you that story, and why did you fall for it?

Lol....some of the biggest fires ever seen on the west coast of the United States happened in the 1800's s0n.

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[Leo123]

The loggers used to put these fires out quickly alas, they are no longer allowed here in CA due to an owl and insane 'safety' regulations that don't allow quick access to firefighting equipment and people to run it. BTW that particular owl species just lost it's habitat because of the Sierra Club and insane EPA/forestry service 'let it burn' policies. Typical leftist/liberal mental retardation.

Usually, the Trumpflakes make up stories about how fires were bigger in the past. Your conspiracy theory about loggers putting out fires is some new stupidity that I'd never heard before. Who fed you that story, and why did you fall for it?

I lived it fool!

 

[mamooth]

Lol....some of the biggest fires ever seen on the west coast of the United States happened in the 1800's s0n.

That's nice, but it's a meaningless cherrypick. Burn area keeps increasing because of climate. But then, that's just the hard science, so you're cult-commanded to reject it.

Warming and Earlier Spring Increase Western U.S. Forest Wildfire Activity
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Thus, although land-use history is an important factor for wildfire risks in specific forest types (such as some ponderosa pine and mixed conifer forests), the broad-scale increase in wildfire frequency across the western United States has been driven primarily by sensitivity of fire regimes to recent changes in climate over a relatively large area.

The overall importance of climate in wildfire activity underscores the urgency of ecological restoration and fuels management to reduce wildfire hazards to human communities and to mitigate ecological impacts of climate change in forests that have undergone substantial alterations due to past land uses. At the same time, however, large increases in wildfire driven by increased temperatures and earlier spring snowmelts in forests where land-use history had little impact on fire risks indicates that ecological restoration and fuels management alone will not be sufficient to reverse current wildfire trends.
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[skookerasbil]

Lol....some of the biggest fires ever seen on the west coast of the United States happened in the 1800's s0n.

That's nice, but it's a meaningless cherrypick. Burn area keeps increasing because of climate. But then, that's just the hard science, so you're cult-commanded to reject it.

Warming and Earlier Spring Increase Western U.S. Forest Wildfire Activity
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Thus, although land-use history is an important factor for wildfire risks in specific forest types (such as some ponderosa pine and mixed conifer forests), the broad-scale increase in wildfire frequency across the western United States has been driven primarily by sensitivity of fire regimes to recent changes in climate over a relatively large area.

The overall importance of climate in wildfire activity underscores the urgency of ecological restoration and fuels management to reduce wildfire hazards to human communities and to mitigate ecological impacts of climate change in forests that have undergone substantial alterations due to past land uses. At the same time, however, large increases in wildfire driven by increased temperatures and earlier spring snowmelts in forests where land-use history had little impact on fire risks indicates that ecological restoration and fuels management alone will not be sufficient to reverse current wildfire trends.
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Nobody thinks we can do anything about it s0n as it relates to climate change because nobody cares about climate change.

Would you like me to post up the election results from the 2016 mid-terms DUM candidates who ran on a green platform ( and provided 85 million $ from Tom Steyer btw ). Lol....beaten by "cult" guys!

 

[westwall]

The loggers used to put these fires out quickly alas, they are no longer allowed here in CA due to an owl and insane 'safety' regulations that don't allow quick access to firefighting equipment and people to run it. BTW that particular owl species just lost it's habitat because of the Sierra Club and insane EPA/forestry service 'let it burn' policies. Typical leftist/liberal mental retardation.

Usually, the Trumpflakes make up stories about how fires were bigger in the past. Your conspiracy theory about loggers putting out fires is some new stupidity that I'd never heard before. Who fed you that story, and why did you fall for it?

it's not stupid, moron. The trees are their crop. Of course they protect them.

 

[mamooth]

it's not stupid, moron. The trees are their crop. Of course they protect them.

I'm asking for evidence of these heroic logger firemen in the west. Nobody is giving any. Yes, loggers are hired by governments to help fight fires, but logging companies don't jump out and fight western fires on their own. That makes zero sense for their bottom line.

Eastern forests are mostly privately owned. Western forests are mostly public. In the west, logging companies don't own the forests they log. If a western forest burns, the logging companies know they can just relocate operations to a different government-owned western forest. It would be a pointless financial loss for logging companies to fight fires in the west.

 

[westwall]

it's not stupid, moron. The trees are their crop. Of course they protect them.

I'm asking for evidence of these heroic logger firemen in the west. Nobody is giving any. Yes, loggers are hired by governments to help fight fires, but logging companies don't jump out and fight western fires on their own. That makes zero sense for their bottom line.

Eastern forests are mostly privately owned. Western forests are mostly public. In the west, logging companies don't own the forests they log. If a western forest burns, the logging companies know they can just relocate operations to a different government-owned western forest. It would be a pointless financial loss for logging companies to fight fires in the west.

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