Going vegan to save the planet

[Resnic]

I disagree, of course.

As you note, the Bible says that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Obviously, that limits sex. But it is acceptable for married couples to have sex purely for pleasure. What might be the difference between sex purely for pleasure inside and outside of marriage? Of course, when the Bible was written, there were no effective birth control methods, but now there are several. Did God not know that would come about?

Why would godless and hedonistic people pay any attention to God's wishes and commandments? Aside from that, your comment about sluts is just circular. And it's entirely possible for people to feel that sex can and should be enjoyed freely but have strong morals and values on other topics. Many devout Christians have committed murder. Morality is a complex subject, not controlled by a single knob.

At the time, most of the planet's human population were not Christians. Why did he kill only the people (including the innocent) in Sodom and Gomorrah? Why didn't he kill everyone on Earth but the faithful? Recent research has found that Sodom and Gomorrah were actually struck by a meteor and destroyed by "fire from the sky". The story was simply created to take advantage of the opportunity just as Noah's flood was inspired by the Mediterranean overflowing at what would become the Bosporus Straits into the basin that became the Black Sea.


That would seem to be a design failure, wouldn't it? Are selfishness and depravity acceptable among the married?

You realize that's a strong argument for evolution.

Many sins are not driven by desire but by anger and fear

What about the large numbers of people on Earth, raised in other religions and everyone before the rise of Judaism, who had never heard of your god's commandments about sex and marriage? Was ignorance a valid excuse?

It is not that difficult to keep yourself in check if you actually have some reason to do so. The strongest human motivation is the avoidance of pain/death. If you think having sex with a willing partner will earn you a punch in the nose, you will not have that much trouble keeping your pants on. I find it interesting that you take this solely from the male perspective. How much willpower does it take for women to not go straddle every dude with a bulge? Does the required willpower set the magnitude of the sin?

I smoked for many years. Like many smokers, I tried to quit dozens of times. I knew all along that all that was required was sufficient motivation but I didn't know how to create it. Sixteen years ago I was diagnosed with a non-Hodgkins lymphoma in my throat. The doc told me that it wasn't from smoking; that they didn't know what actually caused it. But, particularly being in my throat, it was good enough for me. I quit that moment and haven't had a single cigarette since. Unlike sex, the craving lasted about a year before vanishing. I am in my 70s now and I still crave sex. The two are not similar. Smoking is a chemical addiction. Craving sex is built into your DNA for the simple reason that genetic variants that don't crave sex go extinct. For the rest of this planet's life forms, the more effort you put into having sex, the better your chances of reproductive success.

Well you wasted a lot of time there because you ignored my primary message and thought and circumvented it to spin things your way in order to lecture me.

Like saying smoking and sex aren't the same thing while spinning me some yarn about you quitting smoking which was irrelevant. I didn't say sex and smoking was the same thing, I said they require willpower to resist the urge, that's all I said. Everything else you invented was just so you could speak to me like you're a highschool kid proud of himself for wowing a bunch of middle schoolers with a pedestrian interpretation of catcher in the rye to get a cheap sense of self satisfaction.

Reply if you wish but I won't read it, youve shown me you're incapable of engagement of conversation. Maybe it will be different next time we cross paths in another topic

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Growing crops can actually help IF it produces more photosynthetic mass than whatever existed there before. It is ranching livestock that causes the problem. Here is an explanation from Google AI

Raising livestock for food increases greenhouse gases in a few ways:

• Methane from digestion
  Ruminant animals like cows, sheep, and goats produce methane when they digest food through a process called "enteric fermentation". This methane is released into the atmosphere through burps and flatulence. A single cow can belch around 220 pounds of methane per year. Methane is a potent greenhouse gas that's 28 times more effective at warming the atmosphere than carbon dioxide.
  
  
  
  
• Nitrous oxide from manure and fertilizers
  Nitrous oxide is another powerful greenhouse gas that's emitted from manure and chemical fertilizers used on crops for cattle feed. Manure is often stored in open lagoons that can overflow or leak, releasing harmful substances like bacteria, antibiotics, pesticides, and heavy metals into the environment.
  
  
  
  
• Land-use change
  Meat production often requires large grasslands, which are often created by cutting down trees. This releases carbon dioxide that was previously stored in the forests.
  
  
  
  
• Shrimp farms
  Shrimp farms are often built on coastal land that was previously covered by mangrove forests. These forests absorb large amounts of carbon, and when they're cut down to create shrimp farms, the stored carbon is released into the atmosphere.

Do you have any idea how large the bison herds were? No global warming.

 

[ReinyDays]

Land-use change
Meat production often requires large grasslands, which are often created by cutting down trees. This releases carbon dioxide that was previously stored in the forests.

Plants take in CO2 and produce food, which animals eat and produce CO2 ... just not entirely ... 1.2 trillion pounds of human protoplasma all came from plants, again as much bovine protoplasma ... we either bury the remains or grind the carcasses up for dog food ... I don't have numbers ... alas ... but my guts say farmers are net zero or better in the carbon budget ... they're better off selling the food than respirating it ...

Another critical part of the climate around large tracts of forestlands is how water is transpired back into the atmosphere to be rained out again downwind within the forest ... we learned this in the Sahel fifty years ago, remember the famines? ... we replanted the forests and the rains returned ...

 

[Crick]

Plants take in CO2 and produce food, which animals eat and produce CO2 ... just not entirely ... 1.2 trillion pounds of human protoplasma all came from plants, again as much bovine protoplasma ... we either bury the remains or grind the carcasses up for dog food ... I don't have numbers ... alas ... but my guts say farmers are net zero or better in the carbon budget ... they're better off selling the food than respirating it ...

Another critical part of the climate around large tracts of forestlands is how water is transpired back into the atmosphere to be rained out again downwind within the forest ... we learned this in the Sahel fifty years ago, remember the famines? ... we replanted the forests and the rains returned ...

If you "don't have the numbers", where'd "1.2 trillion pounds of human protoplasm" come from

 

[justoffal]

MSN

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Story by Andrea Scripps News
Substituting 50% of our animal-based foods with plant-based options could cut greenhouse gas emissions from farming by 31% by 2050 and help protect forests and natural land, a new study suggests.

According to a study published in Nature Communications, despite accounting for less than 20% of the global food energy supply, producing animal-based foods like meat, chicken, pork, and milk consumes extensive resources, leading to significant greenhouse gas emissions and harm to biodiversity

"Plant-based meats are not just a novel food product but a critical opportunity for achieving food security and climate goals while also achieving health and biodiversity objectives worldwide," said the study’s co-author, Eva Wollenberg, a social scientist at the University of Vermont. "Yet, such transitions are challenging and require a range of technological innovations and policy interventions."

Comment:
The Crazy Climate Change Doomsday Cult will not leave other people alone.
They want to force other people to be vegans to save the planet from the imaginary climate change boogeyman.
People need meat because it provides essential amino acids.

Animals that digest plants exclusively generate many times more methane in the digestion process than meat eaters do.

 

[ReinyDays]

If you "don't have the numbers", where'd "1.2 trillion pounds of human protoplasm" come from

8 billion souls times 150 lbs each ... and 1.5 billion cows times 1000 lbs ...

Fuck you're stupid ..

 

[justoffal]

8 billion souls times 150 lbs each ... and 1.5 billion cows times 1000 lbs ...

Fuck you're stupid ..

I wonder if the Paris accord includes a clause seeking to avow all humans to the complete cessation of personal flatulence?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Just thought, a vegan diet is an unhealthy diet and they will die out prematurely. So the question, "Going vegan to save the planet?". Erm yes. Go for it Alarmists, do your bit for humanity, we beg you.

 

[justoffal]

Just thought, a vegan diet is an unhealthy diet and they will die out prematurely. So the question, "Going vegan to save the planet?". Erm yes. Go for it Alarmists, do your bit for humanity, we beg you.

I don't for a few weeks here and there....not for any particular reason.

 

[buttercup]

Just thought, a vegan diet is an unhealthy diet and they will die out prematurely. So the question, "Going vegan to save the planet?". Erm yes. Go for it Alarmists, do your bit for humanity, we beg you.

There you go again, being misleading. Are fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, beans, grains, etc unhealthy? Of course not, and all of those are vegan. Just like you did on the other thread yesterday, it is dishonest to act as if a "vegan diet" is only processed "alternative" foods like veggie burgers, etc.

 

[ozro]

Just like I told the gay man at the gas station;
"You eat what you want and I'll eat what I want."

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Just like I told the gay man at the gas station;
"You eat what you want and I'll eat what I want."

Just like I told the trans woman on the forum, you give us your opinion and I'll give you mine

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Animals that digest plants exclusively generate many times more methane in the digestion process than meat eaters do.

Do you believe methane is increasing the Earth's temperature?

 

[Captain Caveman]

There you go again, being misleading. Are fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, beans, grains, etc unhealthy? Of course not, and all of those are vegan. Just like you did on the other thread yesterday, it is dishonest to act as if a "vegan diet" is only processed "alternative" foods like veggie burgers, etc.

You don't, won't, and can't get all or sufficient nutrients, vitamins etc.. living on fruit, beans, and nuts. Also, the stuff put together for vegans on the shelves in supermarkets is ultra processed.

So go for it vegans, does us a favour.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You don't, won't, and can't get all or sufficient nutrients, vitamins etc.. living on fruit, beans, and nuts

You have no idea what you're talking about about

And why are you so obsessed with what other people eat?

I actually know what motivates this behavior in meat eaters. It's exactly what motivates atheists to haunt the religion forum.

But if you throw out LIES, don't cry when people who know much more than you respond to your nonsense

 

[Captain Caveman]

You have no idea what you're talking about about

You obviously haven't a fucking clue what's lacking in vegetarian and vegan diets.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You obviously haven't a fucking clue what's lacking in vegetarian and vegan diets.

Absolutely NOTHING

 

[buttercup]

You don't, won't, and can't get all or sufficient nutrients, vitamins etc.. living on fruit, beans, and nuts. Also, the stuff put together for vegans on the shelves in supermarkets is ultra processed.

So go for it vegans, does us a favour.

Hilariously false, and ignorant. I've been vegan for almost 9 years, and I'm WAY healthier now than I was in my pre-vegan days. And every time I've gotten my bloodwork done, it always comes back near perfect. And there are tons of people just like me, including people who actually reversed disease by radically changing their diet to a whole foods plantbased diet.

But you don't have to take my word for it.



Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics

It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity.


The Mayo Clinic

A well-planned vegetarian diet can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.


Harvard Medical School

Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.


Dietitians of Canada

A healthy vegan diet can meet all your nutrient needs at any stage of life including when you are pregnant, breastfeeding or for older adults.


British Dietetic Association

Well planned vegetarian diets (see context) can be nutritious and healthy. They are associated with lower risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, obesity, certain cancers and lower cholesterol levels. This could be because such diets are lower in saturated fat, contain fewer calories and more fiber and phytonutrients/phytochemicals (these can have protective properties) than non-vegetarian diets. (...) Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of life and have many benefits.


The British National Health Service

With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.


The Dietitians Association of Australia

Vegan diets differ to other vegetarian diets in that no animal products are consumed or used. Despite these restrictions, with good planning it is still possible to obtain all the nutrients required for good health on a vegan diet.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Absolutely NOTHING

You started the NOTHING, clown !!!!

What fruit, veg, or nut do you eat to get docosahexaenoic acid?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You obviously haven't a fucking clue what's lacking in vegetarian and vegan diets.

Remember to take your daily vitamin C SUPPLEMENT on your carnivore diet