Republicans: Obama must defend Christian values

[NYcarbineer]

Slavery was never a Christian value. Nice try, asshole.

This country was founded on judeo/christian values and understandings of right and wrong. Our founding documents make that very clear.

Obama is much more supportive of muslim sharia values than judeo christian values. That is also very clear.

Expecting a president to support the constitution and the laws of our nation is not extreme or radical. Expecting a president to fulfull his oath of office is not extreme or radical.

At least know the material before commenting:

The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bible contains several references to slavery, which was a common practice in antiquity. The Bible stipulates the treatment of slaves, especially in the Old Testament.[1][2][3] There are also references to slavery in the New Testament.[4][5] Male Israelite slaves were to be offered release after seven years of service, with some conditions.[6][7][8] Foreign slaves and their posterity became the perpetual property of the owner's family,[9] except in the case of certain injuries.[10]

The Bible was cited as justification for slavery by defenders.[11][12] Abolitionists have also used text from the New Testament to argue for the manumission of slaves.[13][14][15][16]


Slavery in the New Testament[edit]

In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, as to the Lord, and not to men;[83][84][85][86][87] however Masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way"[88] and "even better" as "brothers",[89] to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

The Epistle to Philemon has become an important text in regard to slavery; it was used by pro-slavery advocates as well as by abolitionists.[20][90] In the epistle, Paul writes that he is returning Onesimus, a fugitive slave, back to his master Philemon; however, Paul also entreats Philemon to regard Onesimus, who he says he views as a son, not as a slave but as a beloved brother in Christ. Philemon is requested to treat Onesimus as he would treat Paul.[91]
The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Otherwise..you know..you look stupid.

the context of those biblical quotes is historical. The authors of the Bible were explaining the morals and ethics of the times. It is not an acceptance of slavery as a Christian concept.

once again, nice try, but FAIL

So when 19th century slaveowners and defenders of the institution used Christianity as a defense of the practice,

what did that demonstrate?

 

[Stephanie]

Liberalism is all the rage that's why Obama's and his parties disapprovals are nearly 60% DISSAPROVES OF him AND the party he comes from

these people are frikken hoot who won't ever face reality

 

[Redfish]

At least know the material before commenting:

The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Otherwise..you know..you look stupid.

the context of those biblical quotes is historical. The authors of the Bible were explaining the morals and ethics of the times. It is not an acceptance of slavery as a Christian concept.

once again, nice try, but FAIL

What context?

You were fucking wrong.

Dead wrong.

Ace.

I explained it accurately, if you are too stupid to comprehend it, there is nothing more I can do.----------------ace!

 

[Redfish]

At least know the material before commenting:

The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Otherwise..you know..you look stupid.

the context of those biblical quotes is historical. The authors of the Bible were explaining the morals and ethics of the times. It is not an acceptance of slavery as a Christian concept.

once again, nice try, but FAIL

So when 19th century slaveowners and defenders of the institution used Christianity as a defense of the practice,

what did that demonstrate?

It demonstrates that they were wrong, and those wrongs have been corrected. As Christianity teaches.

 

[DriftingSand]

Our Christian founding fathers didn't have a problem defending Christian values so why should Obama have a problem with it?

What are uniquely Christian values that shoul be defended?

Christians place God above men. A core Christian value would allow a Christian to follow his conscience when a conflict arises between man's laws vs. the tenets of Christianity. In other words, when a secular law interferes with a Christian's freedom to follow his Christian conscience then the Christian's rights to "freedom of religion" should be defended above the whims of a secularist; humanist; or atheist. This basic principle should be applied to situations affecting education, business, or any situation that affects a Christian's daily life.

 

[DriftingSand]

We aren't a christian or any other religious nation.

We certainly were at one time. Read my signature line and follow the links.

 

[Stephanie]

We STILL are a majority Christian nation like or not

But with Progressives like Obama and his wifey poo trying to transform our nation into something that.... stand's FOR NOTHING

 

[NYcarbineer]

Our Christian founding fathers didn't have a problem defending Christian values so why should Obama have a problem with it?

What are uniquely Christian values that shoul be defended?

Christians place God above men. A core Christian value would allow a Christian to follow his conscience when a conflict arises between man's laws vs. the tenets of Christianity. In other words, when a secular law interferes with a Christian's freedom to follow his Christian conscience then the Christian's rights to "freedom of religion" should be defended above the whims of a secularist; humanist; or atheist. This basic principle should be applied to situations affecting education, business, or any situation that affects a Christian's daily life.

First problem with that is, it is theocracy. You would have to amend the Constitution to effect that.

 

[Plasmaball]

We STILL are a majority Christian nation like or not

But with Progressives like Obama and his wifey poo trying to transform our nation is something that stand FOR NOTHING

irrelevant, our laws are secular.

 

[guno]

Our Christian founding fathers didn't have a problem defending Christian values so why should Obama have a problem with it?

You mean these founding fathers?

Jefferson: "The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"When we see religion split into so many thousands of sects, and I may say Christianity
itself divided into it's thousands also, who are disputing, anathematizing, and where the
laws permit, burning and torturing one another for abstractions which no one of them
understand, and which are indeed beyond the comprehension of the human mind, into
which of the chambers of this Bedlam would a man wish to thrust himself. The sum of all religion as expressed by it's best preacher, "fear god and love thy neighbor,' contains
no mystery, needs no explanation - but this wont do. It gives no scope to make dupes;
priests could not live by it."
..........Letter to George Logan, November 12, 1816

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
.........."Notes on Virginia"

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823



John Adams

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of
grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities
that engine of grief has produced!"
..........To Thomas Jefferson


"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where
are fifty gospels, condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are the
forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope,
because suspected of heresy? Remember the 'index expurgatorius', the inquisition, the
stake, the axe, the halter and the guillotine."
..........To John Taylor

Ben Franklin

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
-- Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

In spite of right-wing christer goyim attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity.



The Christian myth
promoted by conservative, Christian organizations that this nation was founded by
Christians, for Christians, in the image of the Christian god.


"One of the embarrassing problems for the early nineteenth-century
champions of the Christian faith was that not one of the first six
Presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian."
--The Encyclopedia Britannica, 1968, p. 420

 

[JFK_USA]

Our Christian founding fathers didn't have a problem defending Christian values so why should Obama have a problem with it?

What are uniquely Christian values that shoul be defended?

Christians place God above men. A core Christian value would allow a Christian to follow his conscience when a conflict arises between man's laws vs. the tenets of Christianity. In other words, when a secular law interferes with a Christian's freedom to follow his Christian conscience then the Christian's rights to "freedom of religion" should be defended above the whims of a secularist; humanist; or atheist. This basic principle should be applied to situations affecting education, business, or any situation that affects a Christian's daily life.

Islam and Judaism also place god above man. He said UNIQUELY Christian.

And also, you have the right to practice your religion but you don't have the right to impose your religion onto others. Your rights don't supersede other people rights.

 

[NYcarbineer]

the context of those biblical quotes is historical. The authors of the Bible were explaining the morals and ethics of the times. It is not an acceptance of slavery as a Christian concept.

once again, nice try, but FAIL

So when 19th century slaveowners and defenders of the institution used Christianity as a defense of the practice,

what did that demonstrate?

It demonstrates that they were wrong, and those wrongs have been corrected. As Christianity teaches.

So Christian values cannot actually be assumed to be the right values at any given moment in time.

 

[guno]

Our Christian founding fathers didn't have a problem defending Christian values so why should Obama have a problem with it?

You mean these founding fathers?

Jefferson: "The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"When we see religion split into so many thousands of sects, and I may say Christianity
itself divided into it's thousands also, who are disputing, anathematizing, and where the
laws permit, burning and torturing one another for abstractions which no one of them
understand, and which are indeed beyond the comprehension of the human mind, into
which of the chambers of this Bedlam would a man wish to thrust himself. The sum of all religion as expressed by it's best preacher, "fear god and love thy neighbor,' contains
no mystery, needs no explanation - but this wont do. It gives no scope to make dupes;
priests could not live by it."
..........Letter to George Logan, November 12, 1816

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
.........."Notes on Virginia"

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823



John Adams

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of
grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities
that engine of grief has produced!"
..........To Thomas Jefferson


"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where
are fifty gospels, condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are the
forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope,
because suspected of heresy? Remember the 'index expurgatorius', the inquisition, the
stake, the axe, the halter and the guillotine."
..........To John Taylor

Ben Franklin

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
-- Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758

In spite of right-wing christer goyim attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity.



The Christian myth
promoted by conservative, Christian organizations that this nation was founded by
Christians, for Christians, in the image of the Christian god.


"One of the embarrassing problems for the early nineteenth-century
champions of the Christian faith was that not one of the first six
Presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian."
--The Encyclopedia Britannica, 1968, p. 420

The Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary) was the first treaty concluded between the United States of America and Tripolitania, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796, and at Algiers (for a third-party witness) on January 3, 1797. It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

The treaty was a routine diplomatic agreement but has attracted later attention because the English version included a clause about religion in the United States.

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

 

[Katzndogz]

Every act of this evil regime is directed to one result. Eliminate Christianity from America. Bring in the Christian slaughters of Syria and Nigeria. That's the goal. For some unknown reason Islam is perceived by the secularists as more controllable than Christians. But islam can be used to eliminate Christians and of course the Jews.

 

[Redfish]

So when 19th century slaveowners and defenders of the institution used Christianity as a defense of the practice,

what did that demonstrate?

It demonstrates that they were wrong, and those wrongs have been corrected. As Christianity teaches.

So Christian values cannot actually be assumed to be the right values at any given moment in time.

NO, slave owners were not practicing Christian values. They lied when they claimed that they were. Christian values are always right, some who claim to be Christians are not.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay, here's how you do it:

This is from Article 2 of the Iraqi Constitution:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

...now all we'd have to do is amend our Constitution to include the above, substituting 'Christianity' for 'Islam', reading thus:

First: Christianity is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Christianity may be established.


...is that what you want? Does that solve the problem?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It demonstrates that they were wrong, and those wrongs have been corrected. As Christianity teaches.

So Christian values cannot actually be assumed to be the right values at any given moment in time.

NO, slave owners were not practicing Christian values. They lied when they claimed that they were. Christian values are always right, some who claim to be Christians are not.

Really? What is the authority with the power and jurisdiction to decide what is or isn't a Christian value?

 

[Sallow]

the only real difference between Islam and Christianity is Islam does more of the whole killing thing. The end goal of both is to make everyone "insert religion here".

Bar none, there is no religion more violent, more bloody, more intolerant then Christianity.

From burning heretics at the stake to gassing Jews, Christianity has wrought more misery on humanity then any other religion.

i disagree. Both of the two are rather bloody.

That's because you are only dealing with "Today".

The totality of Christianity since it's inception has led to millions, perhaps, billions of premature deaths of human beings.

 

[Sallow]

It demonstrates that they were wrong, and those wrongs have been corrected. As Christianity teaches.

So Christian values cannot actually be assumed to be the right values at any given moment in time.

NO, slave owners were not practicing Christian values. They lied when they claimed that they were. Christian values are always right, some who claim to be Christians are not.

Of course they were practicing Christian Values.

Slavery appears in both the old and new testaments.

It is advocated for, not against.

 

[Redfish]

So Christian values cannot actually be assumed to be the right values at any given moment in time.

NO, slave owners were not practicing Christian values. They lied when they claimed that they were. Christian values are always right, some who claim to be Christians are not.

Really? What is the authority with the power and jurisdiction to decide what is or isn't a Christian value?

The teachings of Jesus. No one ever claimed that the laws of the US had to be, or were, in complete agreement with Christian values.

Unlike muslim nations, our laws are not required to be in agreement with any religious doctrine.

We are a Christian nation because a majority of our citizens practice or believe in Christianity. We do not have a national religion, again unlike muslim nations.