What is Christian Nationalism and is it a threat?

[g5000]

1. The federal government should declare the United States as a Christian nation.

Well, that would require repealing the First Amendment.

The federal government should advocate Christian values.

That also would require repealing the First Amendment.

1. The federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state.

That's a direct contradiction of question 1.

The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces.

I'm fine with that so long as ALL religious symbols are allowed.

I think we both know MAGA tards would not tolerate Islamic symbols on public property.

The success of the United States is part of God’s plan.

That's a private opinion.

The federal government should allow prayer in public schools.

Bible study groups are allowed on public school property under the same rules as a chess club or a football team.

As for prayer in the classroom during the school day, do you think MAGA tards would be cool with a Muslim prayer?

No? Me, either.

I don't understand how #1 and #3 can coexist in this poll. How can one declare the US a Christian nation and believe that there should be a separation of church and state. Even polls don't make sense with all this hysteria.

One thing we know for certain about MAGA tards calling themselves Christians is that they don't believe in the separation of church and state. In fact, they have nothing but utter contempt for this founding principle.

When she's not giving handjobs at a children's play in public, Boerbert stands with her ugly pinched face in the pulpit sneering at a "stinking letter" written by one of our Founders.

MAGAs have contempt for the Constitution, with the single exception of the Second Amendment. Most of them, including Boobert, have never read it. The words are too big and the concepts too complicated and the historical context beyond their ignorance.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240520 {post•41}

NotfooledbyW May’24 Vpiwtt: The debate that mattered on a secular constitutional basis was between rational theists like Franklin Washington Adams Jefferson and Madison for a secular government tolerant of all religion versus the Connecticut Wits and all supernatural Cross of Jesus Bible believers.

The Cross of Christ was stricken from the Constitution because the rational theists won the debate.

You need to come to an understanding of the Connecticut Wits in order to have a meaningful discussion on the relationship between Christianity and the original founding documents, the declaration of independence and of course, the United States Constitution.

Here is an excerpt regarding the Connecticut Wits.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ay-america-was-founded-as-a-christian-nation/
"The Origins of American Religious Nationalism." By Sam Haselby

Sam Haselby is a historian, an editor at Aeon Magazine and the author of "The Origins of American Religious Nationalism."July 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM

So there are insuperable obstacles to the Christian nationalist position. But there is also a neglected and fascinating history, key to American independence. Quite simply, America’s first patriots were acutely Christian and did envision, at least, an acutely Christian, which to them meant Protestant, nation. They issued the first calls for American independence. More specifically, America’s first nationalist movement was a small group of young New England writers at Yale College who were fiercely Christian. Timothy Dwight and John Trumbull were the group’s founding members, and by 1769, at the Yale College commencement, they publicly protested for American independence. Noah Webster, of dictionary fame, would later come into the group, too.

These young writers, who called themselves the Connecticut Wits, were terrible poets, but they were visionary American nationalists. Dwight’s epic poem, “The Conquest of Canaan,” portrayed an independent America as the new Holy Land. He began it in 1771.

Most Americans, by contrast, supported reconciliation with Britain well into 1776. Years later, Dwight would complain that for their early, open advocacy of American independence they had suffered years of ridicule and contempt. John Trumbull’s 1773 poem “An Elegy of the Times” is a clear, repeated call, steeped in New England Protestantism, for nationalist revolution. Though I’ve never met anyone today who has read it, Trumbull’s 1775 poem “M’Fingal” was the best-selling poem of the American Revolution. It went through 30 editions, a feat no other American poet managed until Henry Wadsworth Longfellow in 1847. M’Fingal is a lampoon of the Scottish Enlightenment and a sclerotic Great Britain in the name of enlightened and vital independent, Protestant America nfbw 240520 Vpiwtt00041



b. What is Christian Nationalism and is it a threat? 240415 {post•46} Libby von H Apr’24 Swicna: Also a sign of stupidity to use that term since “you can OBVIOUSLY be Christian and a Nationalist without in any way fitting what is called CN.” lbbyvnh 240415 Swicna00046


Proof in writing that this country was not founded on any religion. 240523. {post•85}

NotfooledbyW May’24 Vpiwtt: Rated…in order from ..benign to destructive toward the institution of democracy

1. nationalism
2. white Christian nationalism
3. White Nationslism

Trump is all three.


What is Christian Nationalism and is it a threat? 240523 {post•62}.

NotfooledbyW May’24 Vwicna: See post Vpiwtt00085 if you have intellectual curiosity.

Do you believe America was founded by White European men Christian Men like “The Connecticut Wits” or rational theists like Thomas Paine, Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison for a secular government tolerant of all religion as shown in post Vpiwtt00041 at the top?

nfbw 240523 Vwicna00062

 

[LibertyKid]

If any "Christian" or non-Christian would like a good read on how the U.S. is NOT a Christian nation, nor founded on actual Christ like principals, then read "Myth of a Christian Nation" by Greg Boyd.

Boyd is a theologian, but not your typical, westernized, Bible thumpin', end of days, zionist. He's actual a very well spoken, thought provoking theologian that breaks from many traditional Westernized beliefs.

Here is they summary from Amazon:
The church was established to serve the world with Christ-like love, not to rule the world. It is called to look like a corporate Jesus, dying on the cross for those who crucified him, not a religious version of Caesar. It is called to manifest the kingdom of the cross in contrast to the kingdom of the sword. Whenever the church has succeeded in gaining what most American evangelicals are now trying to get – political power – it has been disastrous both for the church and the culture. Whenever the church picks up the sword, it lays down the cross. The present activity of the religious right is destroying the heart and soul of the evangelical church and destroying its unique witness to the world. The church is to have a political voice, but we are to have it the way Jesus had it: by manifesting an alternative to the political, “power over,” way of doing life. We are to transform the world by being willing to suffer for others – exercising “power under,” not by getting our way in society – exercising “power over"
Amazon product ASIN 0310267315

 

[Mac1958]

Their agenda is definitely a violation of the First Amendment.

But it would provide us with a "Unified Reich"!

How cool is THAT!

 

[whutTHEYsay]

There is no white Christian nationalist party or organization.​

Most Christians do not agree with your denial of Republican Party reality.

About a third of Republicans are MAGA WCN

Statement from Christians Against Christian Nationalism — Christians Against Christian Nationalism

Join thousands Christians from across the country in standing up to Christian Nationalism.

www.christiansagainstchristiannationalism.org

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As Christians, our faith teaches us everyone is created in God’s image and commands us to love one another. As Americans, we value our system of government and the good that can be accomplished in our constitutional democracy. Today, we are concerned about a persistent threat to both our religious communities and our democracy — Christian nationalism.​

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Christian nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian. It often overlaps with and provides cover for white supremacy and racial subjugation. We reject this damaging political ideology and invite our Christian brothers and sisters to join us in opposing this threat to our faith and to our nation.​

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As Christians, we are bound to Christ, not by citizenship, but by faith. We believe that:​

• People of all faiths and none have the right and responsibility to engage constructively in the public square.
• Patriotism does not require us to minimize our religious convictions.
• One’s religious affiliation, or lack thereof, should be irrelevant to one’s standing in the civic community.
• Government should not prefer one religion over another or religion over nonreligion.
• Religious instruction is best left to our houses of worship, other religious institutions and families.
• America’s historic commitment to religious pluralism enables faith communities to live in civic harmony with one another without sacrificing our theological convictions.
• Conflating religious authority with political authority is idolatrous and often leads to oppression of minority and other marginalized groups as well as the spiritual impoverishment of religion.
• We must stand up to and speak out against Christian nationalism, especially when it inspires acts of violence and intimidation—including vandalism, bomb threats, arson, hate crimes, and attacks on houses of worship—against religious communities at home and abroad

Whether we worship at a church, mosque, synagogue, or temple, America has no second-class faiths. All are equal under the U.S. Constitution. As Christians, we must speak in one voice condemning Christian nationalism as a distortion of the gospel of Jesus and a threat to American democracy.​

The ones that don’t consider pregnancy a medical problem.

You must know the states and have a list you can share with the readers,

 

[Leo123]

Most Christians do not agree with your denial of Republican Party reality.

About a third of Republicans are MAGA WCN

Statement from Christians Against Christian Nationalism — Christians Against Christian Nationalism

Join thousands Christians from across the country in standing up to Christian Nationalism.

www.christiansagainstchristiannationalism.org

​

As Christians, our faith teaches us everyone is created in God’s image and commands us to love one another. As Americans, we value our system of government and the good that can be accomplished in our constitutional democracy. Today, we are concerned about a persistent threat to both our religious communities and our democracy — Christian nationalism.​

​

Christian nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian. It often overlaps with and provides cover for white supremacy and racial subjugation. We reject this damaging political ideology and invite our Christian brothers and sisters to join us in opposing this threat to our faith and to our nation.​

​

As Christians, we are bound to Christ, not by citizenship, but by faith. We believe that:​

• People of all faiths and none have the right and responsibility to engage constructively in the public square.
• Patriotism does not require us to minimize our religious convictions.
• One’s religious affiliation, or lack thereof, should be irrelevant to one’s standing in the civic community.
• Government should not prefer one religion over another or religion over nonreligion.
• Religious instruction is best left to our houses of worship, other religious institutions and families.
• America’s historic commitment to religious pluralism enables faith communities to live in civic harmony with one another without sacrificing our theological convictions.
• Conflating religious authority with political authority is idolatrous and often leads to oppression of minority and other marginalized groups as well as the spiritual impoverishment of religion.
• We must stand up to and speak out against Christian nationalism, especially when it inspires acts of violence and intimidation—including vandalism, bomb threats, arson, hate crimes, and attacks on houses of worship—against religious communities at home and abroad

Whether we worship at a church, mosque, synagogue, or temple, America has no second-class faiths. All are equal under the U.S. Constitution. As Christians, we must speak in one voice condemning Christian nationalism as a distortion of the gospel of Jesus and a threat to American democracy.​

You must know the states and have a list you can share with the readers,

Most Americans are already Christians yet we have no State Christian church. Your link is a huge waste of time and probably fake.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

ost Americans are already Christians yet we have no State Christian church

I am not arguing there is a state Christian church. It’s that banning the abortion procedure is a based where mostly white Christian politicians operate state government as if the government is an extension of their church,

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Statement from Christians Against Christian Nationalism — Christians Against Christian Nationalism

Join thousands Christians from across the country in standing up to Christian Nationalism.

www.christiansagainstchristiannationalism.org

Christens nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian.​

 

[Leo123]

I am not arguing there is a state Christian church. It’s that banning the abortion procedure is a based where mostly white Christian politicians operate state government as if the government is an extension of their church,

​

Statement from Christians Against Christian Nationalism — Christians Against Christian Nationalism

Join thousands Christians from across the country in standing up to Christian Nationalism.

www.christiansagainstchristiannationalism.org

Christens nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian.​

Well, Marxism (which is a belief just like religion) is prevalent in the Democrat party, the press and our legal system Does that not bother you? Besides, I don't see Christians ruining our Democracy like the Marxists do.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Well, Marxism (which is a belief just like religion) is prevalent in the Democrat party, the press and our legal system Does that not bother you?

No because you are a liar when you say
Marxism is prevalent in the Democratic Party suppress and the legal system. That is Republican white Christian nationalist propaganda bullshit pushed for the billionaires that do not want working class Americans voting in their self-interest agsinst things like cutting taxes down to nothing for those billionaires,

 

[2aguy]

MSN

Christian Nationalism Report

Neighborly Faith is a national movement of Christian students leading change across faiths. We believe that we can be gospel-centered while making America more welcoming to all.

www.neighborlyfaith.org

Ever since the tragic events of Jan. 6, 2021, in which a handful of the violent rioters donned explicitly Christian symbols, much ink has been spilled about the rising threat of Christian nationalism, which critics charge is a malignant anti-democratic force hellbent on overthrowing American democracy.

Fears of Christian nationalism have spawned a burgeoning subgenre of books, conferences and journal articles. One widely cited survey, which included sloppily expansive definitions, found that a whopping 51% of Americans were Christian nationalists.

And the new documentary "God & Country," scheduled for release Friday and produced by Hollywood mogul Rob Reiner, warns in ominous tones about the nationalists lurking around every corner.

Still, the term itself has been employed to incorporate seemingly any Christian engagement in the public square. Even Michael Wear, former faith outreach coordinator for President Barack Obama, has shared his concerns about the way "Christian nationalism" is used in an overly expansive way.

Andrew Walker, a Baptist scholar, rightly pleads: “Convince me that your skepticism about Christian nationalism isn’t just a cover for wanting Christians out of politics and out of power. Convince me that Christian nationalism is not just another progressive epithet hurled against conservative Christians.”

To address the lack of definition of what constitutes Christian nationalism, one group has released a survey that both dispels some of the hyperbole and gives a more nuanced picture. The group, Neighborly Faith, began with a 14-point definition of Christian nationalism. What the researchers found is that the number of actual Christian nationalists is much smaller than we’ve been led to believe: Only 5% of Americans self-identify as Christian nationalists, and only 11% of Americans fit the category of “adherents.”

But others come up with a lesser definition of what is a CN, or Christian Nationalist, reducing it to 6 questions.

Here is one such test.

1. The federal government should declare the United States as a Christian nation.
2. The federal government should advocate Christian values.
3. The federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state.
4. The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces.
5. The success of the United States is part of God’s plan.
6. The federal government should allow prayer in public schools.

I don't understand how #1 and #3 can coexist in this poll. How can one declare the US a Christian nation and believe that there should be a separation of church and state. Even polls don't make sense with all this hysteria.

But let's say CN is the majority. Would it then only be democratic to embrace it as a nation? Would those who favor it only be practicing democracy? If so, then those that oppose it would be opposing democracy. The Left would have us think that as long as democracy is at work, it is right, it is just, it is fair, unless, of course, they don't like the result. LOL.

If CN is not really in the majority, if they are in the minority, how should the majority safely control them so that they never become the majority and their influence is curbed so as not to effect the majority so that our society is more diverse? Of course, this type of thinking is also contradictory. How can you embrace diversity while targeting any particular minority group within society as being the enemy to limit their input into society and/or destroy them?

But I think the biggest fear is, not that CN is in the majority, the biggest fear is that they are in the minority and wish to take over the government because they are in the minority. People really believe that on 1/6 the United States was almost taken over by CN and all they need to do next time is complete the job, whatever you may think that entails. How could the Viking and unarmed woman who was shot dead take over the government for CN and end democracy for all time? How could they succeed in the future?

Anyone?

Since they are in the minority, I would assume they would have to raise an army to fight off the majority, or does anyone here think that the minority could take over the majority without a shot fired? I do see how the Federal government is run by an ivory tower of elites who are in the minority, that is, they don't really seem to represent the majority, so I guess this fear is somewhat grounded in the reality of what we have today, but this is usually accomplished with great wealth and corruption instead of an army.

So if CN is such a threat, I would think we would have to look at two possible ways they could wield their evil power and influence.

CN would either have to raise an army to take over the country, or use their wealth and influence to sway elected officials in order to take over the country with an oligarchy of elitists who run it like we have now. Therefore, the burden of showing their threat would be to show their wealth and or military capacity, neither of which they have. Show me there wealth or military might to show they are a threat. If not, then they are just another minority within society that the majority likes to beat up to make themselves feel superior and to make themselves feel protected.

Christian Nationalism was made up after the failure of the made up “Q anon” smear failed to get traction…..the only people who had any idea what it was were the democrats who made it up, and they had to explain it every time they brought it up as a smear….

And no, it isnt any more real than Q anon was

 

[surada]

Christian Nationalism was made up after the failure of the made up “Q anon” smear failed to get traction…..the only people who had any idea what it was were the democrats who made it up, and they had to explain it every time they brought it up as a smear….

And no, it isnt any more real than Q anon was

Yeah, it's real ...wrapped in the flag and the rapture.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Democrats Entire Insurrection Narrative Destroyed By FBI’s Informant 210926 {post•41}. Leo123 Sep’21 Sdeind: You're upset because your boy Biden and the FBI got caught with their pants down inciting what they thought would be an insurrection that they could hang on Trump. Either that or you are too stupid to know any better. Maybe both. Democrats lvvnnn 210926 Sdeind00046

Christian Nationalism was made up after the failure of the made up “Q anon” smear failed to get traction…..

Democrats Entire Insurrection Narrative Destroyed By FBI’s Informant 210926 {post•17}. 2aguy Sep’21 Sdeind: As the truth comes out we will find that blm and antifa attacked the police on the ones side of the building while Trump supporters peacefully walked through the buidling and took selfies. nvgvy 210926 Sdeind00017

Well, Marxism (which is a belief just like religion) is prevalent in the Democrat party, the press and our legal system Does that not bother you? Besides, I don't see Christians ruining our Democracy like the Marxists do.

Christians are not ruining our Democracy. The Republican Party and Republican billionaires like the ones who own Clarence Thomas are the selfish hedonists ruining our democracy. White Christian nationalists like Jenna Ellis are simply useful idiots in their evangelizing the Biblical worldview that America was founded by God as part of HIS plan and that Americans are the chosen people but Democrats are destroying that Holy Covenant and it might just piss God off fairly soon.

 

[surada]

Democrats Entire Insurrection Narrative Destroyed By FBI’s Informant 210926 {post•41}. Leo123 Sep’21 Sdeind: You're upset because your boy Biden and the FBI got caught with their pants down inciting what they thought would be an insurrection that they could hang on Trump. Either that or you are too stupid to know any better. Maybe both. Democrats lvvnnn 210926 Sdeind00046



Democrats Entire Insurrection Narrative Destroyed By FBI’s Informant 210926 {post•17}. 2aguy Sep’21 Sdeind: As the truth comes out we will find that blm and antifa attacked the police on the ones side of the building while Trump supporters peacefully walked through the buidling and took selfies. nvgvy 210926 Sdeind00017



Christians are not ruining our Democracy. The Republican Party and Republican billionaires like the ones who own Clarence Thomas are the selfish hedonists ruining our democracy. White Christian nationalists like Jenna Ellis are simply useful idiots in the espousing the Biblical worldview that America was founded by God as part of HIS plan and that Americans are the chosen people and but Democrats are destroying that Holy Covenant and it might just piss God off fairly soon.

Are you kidding? You sound like a Christian Nationalist.

"America was founded by God as part of HIS plan and that Americans are the chosen people and but Democrats are destroying that Holy Covenant and it might just piss God off fairly soon."

 

[22lcidw]

Democrats Entire Insurrection Narrative Destroyed By FBI’s Informant 210926 {post•41}. Leo123 Sep’21 Sdeind: You're upset because your boy Biden and the FBI got caught with their pants down inciting what they thought would be an insurrection that they could hang on Trump. Either that or you are too stupid to know any better. Maybe both. Democrats lvvnnn 210926 Sdeind00046



Democrats Entire Insurrection Narrative Destroyed By FBI’s Informant 210926 {post•17}. 2aguy Sep’21 Sdeind: As the truth comes out we will find that blm and antifa attacked the police on the ones side of the building while Trump supporters peacefully walked through the buidling and took selfies. nvgvy 210926 Sdeind00017



Christians are not ruining our Democracy. The Republican Party and Republican billionaires like the ones who own Clarence Thomas are the selfish hedonists ruining our democracy. White Christian nationalists like Jenna Ellis are simply useful idiots in the espousing the Biblical worldview that America was founded by God as part of HIS plan and that Americans are the chosen people and but Democrats are destroying that Holy Covenant and it might just piss God off fairly soon.

All of this against those So-called Christian Nationalists. People who are Christians got their problems and issues. To be sure. Prog agendas are just self-destructive and need massive government outlays to keep going. One example..Only Progs can say that teenage women with no husband can have endless pregnancies with no problem with it. And their mom is a grandmother at 30. A great grandmother at 45. A great great grandmother at 60. Nothing wrong with this. And the million abortions a year which is a lot makes it worse.

 

[Leo123]

This thread seems to have frayed.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Are you kidding?

You need to read the entire sentence:

“White Christian nationalists like Jenna Ellis are simply useful idiots in their evangelizing the Biblical worldview that America was founded by God as part of HIS plan and that Americans are the chosen people but Democrats are destroying that Holy Covenant and it might just piss God off fairly soon.”

Do you know who Jenna Ellis is? she’s a white Christian nationalist alm the way,

 

[surada]

All of this against those So-called Christian Nationalists. People who are Christians got their problems and issues. To be sure. Prog agendas are just self-destructive and need massive government outlays to keep going.

One example..Only Progs can say that teenage women with no husband can have endless pregnancies with no problem with it. And their mom is a grandmother at 30. A great grandmother at 45. A great great grandmother at 60. Nothing wrong with this. And the million abortions a year which is a lot makes it worse.

Like Boebert? What a steaming crock of bullshit.

 

[22lcidw]

Like Boebert? What a steaming crock of bullshit.

Life is about learning. It is not perfection. And yes, she is still a healthy woman. People who do not learn suffer their whole lives and the costs are to the taxpayers. That is her history. It is tough for a percentage of people, and she may even have children who are having tough times. To me, the argument of George Floyd was he was still a piece of shit upon his death. not improving himself and costing the taxpayer massive dollars with his ways of living. And you do not get that.

 

[surada]

Life is about learning. It is not perfection. And yes, she is still a healthy woman. People who do not learn suffer their whole lives and the costs are to the taxpayers. That is her history. It is tough for a percentage of people, and she may even have children who are having tough times. To me, the argument of George Floyd was he was still a piece of shit upon his death. not improving himself and costing the taxpayer massive dollars with his ways of living. And you do not get that.

She's ignorant trash.

 

[Failzero]

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