Republican senators block extension to ACA subsidies

[dblack]

They are. It's dead.

Sadly, no. You're deluded. And depraved, but that's another thread.

 

[BS Filter]

Sadly, no. You're deluded. And depraved, but that's another thread.

Tell us how it's going to stay alive.

 

[dblack]

Tell us how it's going to stay alive.

Dems will revive, and expand, it, as soon as they're back in office.

 

[BS Filter]

Dems will revive, and expand, it, as soon as they're back in office.

Good luck.

 

[Lesh]

I'm saying that employer sponsored premiums increased less (as a percentage) in the 10 years after the ACA than in the 10 years before the ACA.

You’re talking to a very dishonest poster

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tell us how it's going to stay alive.

By a forced vote on extending the subsidies, which will pass.

 

[dblack]

Good luck.

It will be very bad "luck".

The single worst conceit of ACA is the idea that pre-existing conditions should be covered by insurance. Insurance can't work that way. Such "insurance" is unsustainable and leads to "socialized" health care. It'll still be run by the same for-profit companies, but they'll operate as public utilities, with guaranteed profits.

If Trump wants to counter this, he'll need to persuade the American people that forcing coverage of pre-existing conditions is a bad idea. He isn't smart enough to understand this himself, and he has no ability to persuade anyone of anything.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The single worst conceit of ACA is the idea that pre-existing conditions should be covered by insurance. Insurance can't work that way.

It sure can and does, in every other modern country on earth.

By making the invincibles buy in.

 

[BS Filter]

By a forced vote on extending the subsidies, which will pass.

How's that going to happen?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How's that going to happen?

By getting some republicans on board with a discharge petition.

Like, what happened today.

Centrist Republicans revolt, signing a petition to force a vote on Obamacare funding

The enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies are still expected to expire at the end of this year, however, raising insurance premiums for millions of people.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BS Filter]

By getting some republicans on board with a discharge petition.

Like, what happened today.

Centrist Republicans revolt, signing a petition to force a vote on Obamacare funding

The enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies are still expected to expire at the end of this year, however, raising insurance premiums for millions of people.

www.nbcnews.com

Good luck.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Good luck.

Say that to the people who are going to lose their health insurance. They are the ones that need it.

 

[dblack]

It sure can and does, in every other modern country on earth.

Nope. That's not insurance. It's socialized health care. I know that's what you want, so you don't have a problem with it. But lots of people don't want that, and they need to understand that that's where we're headed if we try to pretend that insurance can "cover" pre-existing conditions.

By making the invincibles buy in.

That's how you can tell its socialism.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nope. That's not insurance. It's socialized health care.

No, 100% wrong, it is most definitely insurance. It's still a risk pool governed and managed by mathematical laws and actuarial tables. The actual healthcare doesn't have to be "socialized" at all. If I go to the privately owned hospital right now, I will be sitting right next to someone on Medicaid on one side and someone on Medicare on the other.

And it could be administered in part by private companies. Just as Medicaid is now.

It is most definitely insurance.

They key idea is that everyone buys in. And that is how you insure everyone AND spend much less on insurance premiums, per individual. The fundamental concept really is not complicated.

But this will reduce the profits of private insurance companies.

And that is why we don't have single payer already. Full stop.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You’re talking to a very dishonest poster

^^^
Unfathomable irony

 

[dblack]

No, 100% wrong, it is most definitely insurance.

I don't know why everything related to health care gets so distorted in people's minds. But let's look at your demands applied to any kind of real insurance.

Should you be able to buy fire insurance after your house burns down?
Should you be able to buy car insurance after you total your car?
I could go on, but this point is obvious: Insurance is a hedge. A bet that comes in if something bad happens, to cushion the blow. It's not a club you join to score free shit.

The actual healthcare doesn't have to be "socialized" at all.

Heh... sure. Whoever writes the checks will be in control. And very popular on K-Street!

If I go to the privately owned hospital right now, I will be sitting right next to someone on Medicaid on one side and someone on Medicare on the other.

And it could be administered in part by private companies. Just as Medicaid is now.

LOL - oh, you can bet it will be! Gravy train uber alles.

I don't want my government to be my doctor (ie making important health care decisions for me). And with the trajectory our government is on, I can't imagine how any sane person would.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, it's not.

You're just 100% wrong. Single payer insurance is, indeed, insurance. I'm not going to have a conversation with the Mad Hatter about it.

 

[dblack]

You're just 100% wrong. Single payer insurance is, indeed, insurance. I'm not going to have a conversation with the Mad Hatter about it.

I really don't care what you call it, but insurance can't be profitable if covers pre-existing conditions. The entire concept is specious. The only way you can prop up such an irrational idea is by forcing people to supplement it, either with taxes or mandates.

I don't want my government to be my doctor (ie making important health care decisions for me). And with the trajectory our government is on, I can't imagine how any sane person would.

 

[Lesh]

I really don't care what you call it, but insurance can't be profitable if covers pre-existing conditions. The entire concept is specious. The only way you can prop up such an irrational idea is by forcing people to supplement it, either with taxes or mandates.

I don't want my government to be my doctor (ie making important health care decisions for me). And with the trajectory our government is on, I can't imagine how any sane person would.

So just…die

 

[dblack]

So just…die

Heh. Whatever. You clearly don't want to be taken seriously. Later.