pknopp
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It was a compromise....Rs wanted no red flag,
That's not completely true.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/politics/red-flag-gun-law-explainer-donald-trump/index.html
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It was a compromise....Rs wanted no red flag,
No a red flag law is an end run around due process and is too easily weaponized.in the yellow flag law....Takes three steps.... police investigation, psychiatrist evaluation and decision to take the guns, then a court date and judge to rule, before a gun can be taken from them....
A Red Flag would have worked as you said.
Just another example of why the government is inept at stopping crime.What, isn't this like the third or forth mass shooter mental defective that the .mil has unleashed on the public?
In Maine.That's not completely true.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/politics/red-flag-gun-law-explainer-donald-trump/index.html
During a briefing Saturday morning, officials again said mental health is a key focus of their investigation into the shootings, in addition to Card’s possession of firearms and whether his psychiatric history should have barred him from possessing any guns at all.
Maine Public Safety Commissioner Mike Sauschuck said investigators had not seen evidence that Card was “forcibly committed” for mental health treatment.
“If that didn't happen, then the next check you could go into as a firearms dealer, who does all of their work, and a background check is not going to ping that this individual is prohibited,” Sauschuck said.
Known for its liberal gun laws, Maine does not regulate assault-style weapons and allows residents and non-residents alike to carry concealed firearms without a permit, with very limited exceptions. The state has what is known as a “Yellow Flag” law that allows the state to prohibit firearm possession for someone amid a mental health crisis, but only after a report to police, a police investigation, exam by a doctor and then order from a judge. Critics say the regulation is ineffective because it creates undue delays in keeping guns out of the hands of those struggling through a mental health crisis.
He had guns and he shouldn't have had guns because a gun store sold to a crazy person... again.
A Red Flag law instead of this Yellow Flag, could have possibly stopped the mass murderer from possessing his guns, immediately, while in crisis and due process given later.
Time and again we see mental health issues in mass shooters. Known mental health issues in many of them. James Holmes therapist was telling people he was going to harm others.
The killings come and go and the mental health angle gets a mention but then that's it. It never becomes a part of the long term conversation.
We deserve what we get.
It was a compromise....Rs wanted no red flag, D's wanted red Flag, they came up with the yellow which is stupid and protects the gun owner who may also be nutzoid, more than the citizens that could be harmed.
The problem is you can't institutionalize someone unless they are an immediate danger.
If he takes his meds and stops being a danger, you have to release him. Even if he stops taking his meds and thinks that voices in his hearing aid are telling him to kill people.
It would be nice if we made it EASY to get mental health treatment and HARD to get guns, instead of the other way around.
Was he ever tried in a court of law?Easy.....He told his mental health professionals that he planned on doing a mass public shooting...therefore it would be a good idea to make sure the guy hearing voices, stating he wants to shoot people, and who is confined to a mental health facility doesn't have guns in his home....and considering he was a military firearms instructor....and his family was already in contact with the police?
Please....try harder.
They did....they informed the military chain of command and they informed the police....the police failed to take his gun.
Was he ever tried in a court of law?
And that’s a good thing to you?Under the Yellow Flag law he doesn't have to go to court, they can take his guns with what was already going on.
And that’s a good thing to you?
Listening to morning news on the t.v..........a the shooter tried to buy a silencer at a Maine gun store before the shooting, and filled out the mandatory, Federal Background check form for the purchase. He checked the box about his 2 week commitment.....the owner of the gun store checked his form, saw that he had been committed to a psychiatric facility, and denied him the purchase.
The gun store did it's job....
The government did not do it's job.....it failed to confiscate the gun he already had under Maines Yellow Flag law....
The gun store didn't fail, the anti-gun god, "government" failed.
“He came in and filled out the form, he checked off a box that incriminated himself saying that he was in an institution,” Rick LaChapelle, owner of Coastal Defense Firearms, said. “Our staff was fantastic, let him finish filling out the form, and said, ‘I'm sorry, Mr. Card, we cannot give you this… at this point in time, we cannot release this silencer to you because of the answers that you've given us.”
LaChapelle added "we did what we were supposed to do and hopefully saved a lot of lives by the proper, just following the proper procedures.”
Alleged Maine gunman tried to buy a silencer months before Lewiston shootings
The alleged Maine gunman, Robert Card, tried to buy a silencer for a rifle at a local firearms store three months prior to the mass shooting, the owner said Saturday.abcnews.go.com
So are you upset that the police didn’t follow the fascist laws and take away the mass shooters guns without due process?Nope, I believe in due process.......if someone is found to be an actual threat, then we should be able to disarm them.....but Red Flag laws that allow anyone, at anytime, to simply call and have your guns taken are stupid.......