Rep. Massie Debates Iran War Powers Resolution

[dblack]

Im not TDS but I will bite.
I would love some accountability, but what about all the other presidents? We cant punish them now.
The practice should just be stopped. This has been our foreign policy since WW2. Its BS. Its time to Make America Great Again.

It's funny. Most of the time, you can get them to admit they're doing wrong. But they insist that they get to go last. They want to get their dig in, and THEN limit government power.

And so it goes ...

 

[Godboy]

Blaah blah blah. Make shit up if you want.
The constitution is the law of the land, boot licker.

Yep, and it says that the president can respond to an imminent threat, so thats what Trump did.

 

[TNHarley]

Yep, and it says that the president can respond to an imminent threat, so thats what Trump did.

"make shit up if you want" x2

 

[Godboy]

"make shit up if you want" x2

It literally says that the president can respond to an imminent threat in the Constitution. I dont know why youre claiming that im making shit up.

 

[mudwhistle]

I hope he runs for president and if he wins doesn't become someone else like the rest have done.

The chance of him winning the nomination is next to zero.

My guess is he's being offered a spot on a CNN panel.

 

[TNHarley]

It literally says that the president can respond to an imminent threat in the Constitution. I dont know why youre claiming that im making shit up.

Post it. Lets discuss it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Who is Massie debating, exactly? Or more importantly, is anyone besides Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna siding with him?

Massie's fifteen minutes of fame should have long been over by now.

 

[protectionist]

Post it. Lets discuss it.

Already posted. Post # 229.

 

[TNHarley]

Already posted. Post # 229.

Nope, that does not say the constitution says a president can attack countries over imminent threats.

 

[Godboy]

Post it. Lets discuss it.

From Google AI...

The U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 8) grants Congress the sole power to formally declare war, but as Commander in Chief (Article II), the President has the authority to repel sudden attacks and, in practice, respond to immediate, imminent threats without prior congressional approval. This limited, temporary action is legally distinct from initiating war.

 

[TNHarley]

From Google AI...

The U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 8) grants Congress the sole power to formally declare war, but as Commander in Chief (Article II), the President has the authority to repel sudden attacks and, in practice, respond to immediate, imminent threats without prior congressional approval. This limited, temporary action is legally distinct from initiating war.

So it doesnt say that. Interesting. You lied again.
I do agree that the president needs no declaration if we were attacked.
Imminent? No.
If there was a missile headed its way, sure. 50 years of rhetoric? No.

 

[dblack]

So it doesnt say that. Interesting. You lied again.
I do agree that the president needs no declaration if we were attacked.
Imminent? No.
If there was a missile headed its way, sure. 50 years of rhetoric? No.

 

[TNHarley]

Exactly

 

[Godboy]

So it doesnt say that. Interesting. You lied again.
I do agree that the president needs no declaration if we were attacked.
Imminent? No.
If there was a missile headed its way, sure. 50 years of rhetoric? No.

It literally said exactly what i said. He can respond to an imminent threat without congressional approval. How many times are you going to say im lying when the text is right in front of both of us? Do not waste my time with that kind of childish debating.

I never said a thing about a missile strike on the US homeland. I was VERY clear about what the threat was. I will type it one more time, but if you pull more of this bullshit and make me keep retyping it, i will put you on ignore.

The threat was... Israel tells the US that they are going to strike Iran. If Israel does that, Iran will lob missiles at our nearby bases, so instead of letting that happen, the US preemtively struck their missile launching sites. There is nothing unrealistic about the US position here. Iran would absolutely shoot missiles at our bases, so we struck first.

 

[TNHarley]

It literally said exactly what i said. He can respond to an imminent threat without congressional approval. How many times are you going to say im lying when the text is right in front of both of us? Do not waste my time with that kind of childish debating.

I never said a thing about a missile strike on the US homeland. I was VERY clear about what the threat was. I will type it one more time, but if you pull some bullshit and make me keep retyping it, i will put you on ignore.

The threat was... Israel tells the US that they are going to strike Iran. If Israel does that, Iran will lob missiles at our nearby bases, so instead of letting that happen, the US preemtively struck their missile launching sites. There is nothing unrealistic about the US position here. Iran would absolutely shoot missiles at our bases, so we struck first.

I asked to post where it says that in the constitution, and you posted a summary of the declaration of war clause from AI.
Post where it says the president can unilaterally attack people for imminent threats. You said its in there, this shouldnt be hard.

 

[Godboy]

I asked to post where it says that in the constitution, and you posted a summary of the declaration of war clause from AI.
Post where it says the president can unilaterally attack people for imminent threats. You said its in there, this shouldnt be hard.

Im working dude. Why cant YOU post it?

 

[dblack]

Im working dude. Why cant YOU post it?

Uh... we're saying it's not there. What are we supposed to post? A blank line??

 

[TNHarley]

Im working dude. Why cant YOU post it?

Because I go by the actual constitution. I cant quote the one in your head.

 

[Godboy]

Uh... we're saying it's not there. What are we supposed to post? A blank line??

Its says that only Congress can formally declare war. Please point me to a video of Trump "formally declaring war", and even if Trump said the words "i formally declare war", it wouldnt mean anything anyway, since only Congress can do that, right?

Thats why they had to clarify when a president can use the military. The wording was VERY unclear. The 1973 war powers resolution clarifies that part of the constitution and it is a federal law.

 

[Godboy]

Because I go by the actual constitution. I cant quote the one in your head.

The constitution says that only Congress can formally declare war. Trump never formally declared war, did he?