Rep. Massie Debates Iran War Powers Resolution

[TNHarley]

Ah, great! Theres your "Congressional approval" then.

With one snap of the orange fingers, MAGA hates the constitution, and thomas jefferson.

 

[Godboy]

No shit, retard. Thats not how the constitution works.
The constitution lays out the govs authority. When the people want them to have more authority, they make amendments.
You leftists have sat back and loved them creating authority, when you agree with it.... instead of doing it the right way.
The founders intent, and the american dream, are dead because of you big govt boot lickers.

What in the Constitution limits the presidents ability to do military strikes? What exactly would we need to amend?

Im a bright red conservative, by the way.

 

[TNHarley]

What in the Constitution limits the presidents ability to do military strikes?

Article 1, section 8. The declaration of war clause.

Im a bright red conservative

 

[Godboy]

Article 1, section 8. The declaration of war clause.

That states that "only Congress can formally declare war". Correct me if im wrong, but Trump never made any such declaration, right?

 

[TNHarley]

That states that "only Congress can formally declare war". Correct me if im wrong, but Trump never made any such declaration, right?

Jesus Christ.
Im not explaining this shit again. You people are ******* stupid.

 

[Godboy]

Jesus Christ.
Im not explaining this shit again. You people are ******* stupid.

The 1973 Wars Powers resolution was specifically made to "clarify and reinforce the existing war powers resolution in the Constitution". Meaning, the Constitution just says "only Congress can formally declare war", but what good is that if a president simply never formally declares war? By that wording in the Constitution, he is free to do whatever he wants. The 1973 Act clarified that poorly worded law.

 

[TNHarley]

The 1973 Wars Powers resolution was specifically made to "clarify and reinforce the existing war powers resolution in the Constitution". Meaning, the Constitution just says "only Congress can formally declare war", but what good is that if a president simply never formally declares war? By that wording in the Constitution, he is free to do whatever he wants. The 1973 Act clarified that poorly worded law.

Their intent was recorded.
Jefferson also said congress has no authority to delegate their legislative powers away.

 

[The Duke]

Oh, so it was made up. Its not actually in the constitution.

Congress passes the laws, brah.
Is it really UnConstitutional if Congress signed it into law?
Probably not.

 

[Godboy]

Their intent was recorded.
Jefferson also said congress has no authority to delegate their legislative powers away.

Jefferson was literally the first President to go to war without Congressional approval when he went after the Barbary pirates.

 

[The Duke]

Article 1, section 8. The declaration of war clause.

Jefferson was literally the first President to go to war without Congressional approval when he went after the Barbary pirates.

And formed The United States Marine Corps to do so.
in 1775.

United States Marine Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Should not use Wiki, but, meh.

 

[Godboy]

And formed The United States Marine Corps to do so.
in 1775.

United States Marine Corps - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Should not use Wiki, but, meh.

They say that was the first "special forces" action performed by the US military.

 

[my2¢]

Congressional boondoggles of senseless public hearings to express fake outrage at political opponents has for years been their forte.

 

[TNHarley]

Congress passes the laws, brah.
Is it really UnConstitutional if Congress signed it into law?
Probably not.

So if congress passed a law that mandated every person kill their parents, it would be fine?
What about if they passed a law to confiscate every gun in the country? Would that be constitutional?
Do you think the patriot act was constitutional? That law was signed by congress. Basically threw away a couple amendments in the bil of rights. Was that ok?

 

[TNHarley]

Jefferson was literally the first President to go to war without Congressional approval when he went after the Barbary pirates.

They started the war, ya big dummy. You dont need a declaration of war when another country initiates it.
That was also recorded by the founders.
You need to pick up a book or something.

 

[Godboy]

They started the war, ya big dummy. You dont need a declaration of war when another country initiates it.
That was also recorded by the founders.
You need to pick up a book or something.

They kidnapped merchants.

Iran funded a terror campaign against us that cost thousands of soldiers lives. They are trying to make nuclear weapons. They are constantly at war with our ally.

Iran is a SIGNIFICANTLY bigger threat than the Barbary pirates.

 

[dblack]

That states that "only Congress can formally declare war". Correct me if im wrong, but Trump never made any such declaration, right?

LOL - it's like a game of three card monte.

 

[Doc7505]

Yeah, it might have stopped many interventions, invasions and war. Could have saved a lot of lives, our wealth, popularity etc.

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Indeed, Congress was the primary impediment to assisting
Britain before WWII due to a powerful isolationist sentiment that dominated
American politics in the 1930s. While President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) viewed Nazi Germany as a threat, he was legally constrained by a series of laws passed by Congress to keep the U.S. out of foreign conflicts.
Consider what could have happened if FDR did not implement 'Lend Lease' and assist the UK to keep Germany from invading Britain.
Would we be speaking Japanese on the West coast and German on the East coast today?

 

[dblack]

So if congress passed a law that mandated every person kill their parents, it would be fine?
What about if they passed a law to confiscate every gun in the country? Would that be constitutional?
Do you think the patriot act was constitutional? That law was signed by congress. Basically threw away a couple amendments in the bil of rights. Was that ok?

They don't seem to understand why we have a Constitution. I mean, they get it when their side is not in power. But if their sumbitch is running things, they don't want any limits at all.

 

[BackAgain]

The "War Powers Act of 1973," is unconstitutional. But Trump still hasn't met the requirements. And neither have the other recent presidents since 1973.


War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. § 1541(c)), which was enacted in 1973 to limit the President's ability to commit U.S. forces to hostilities without congressional involvement. Specifically:

1. Declaration of war by Congress: This is the formal constitutional mechanism under Article I, Section 8, where Congress explicitly declares war.
2. Specific statutory authorization: This could include laws like an Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), such as those passed after 9/11 for actions against al-Qaeda and associated forces, or for the Iraq War.
3. National emergency from an attack: This covers defensive responses to direct attacks on the United States, its territories, possessions, or armed forces—essentially allowing the President to act unilaterally in immediate self-defense without prior approval.

The War Powers Act is likely not “unconstitutional.”

In fact, if anything, it’s simply a tool to make sure that a President (as the Commander in Chief) is able to respond to threats promptly.

Just as a for instance: suppose the massive punishment we are inflicting on the Iranian regime is supported by Congress. In that event, Congress can declare war against the Iranian regime. But even if they don’t, that doesn’t mean the President’s actions cannot be undertaken exactly as they have unfolded.

 

[YoursTruly]

The War Powers Act is likely not “unconstitutional.”

In fact, if anything, it’s simply a tool to make sure that a President (as the Commander in Chief) is able to respond to threats promptly.

Just as a for instance: suppose the massive punishment we are inflicting on the Iranian regime is supported by Congress. In that event, Congress can declare war against the Iranian regime. But even if they don’t, that doesn’t mean the President’s actions cannot be undertaken exactly as they have unfolded.

The constitutionality of the wars powers can be debated and argued about for the next century.

What can't be argued is that it's 100% against our Constitutional Republic. It's why in the constitution, congress has to declare war before ONE PERSON, the potus, can take the country into war.

535 congressmen, elected from all over the US are the ones who are supposed to make that decision. Not one man.