Remember John Edwards?

[Nostra]

Oh, let's get real. When Ken Starr investigated Clinton, he included pages of graphic descriptions of the sex acts Bill and Monica performed. Why? Because Clinton took the position that he didn't consider fellatio to be sex, and therefore he wasn't lying when he said he didn't have sex with Lewinsky. Conversely, Trump has straight-up denied that he ever had sex with Daniels. This is why his lawyer tried a "sluts and nuts" tact with her yesterday and failed.

Second, you are the ideologue who seems to think it's okay that Trump commits crimes because HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE US!!! Completely ignoring, of course, that his presidency was a complete fucking disaster. Plague, Recession, Riots, Wildfires, Surges in illegal immigration, etc. Holding him accountable and keeping him out of office helps us all.

Third, WHEN Trump loses, he's screwed, because the other three cases are out there. He can maybe punt these past the election, but WHEN he loses, he's going to trial and he will be found guilty of some of them.

Wildfires? IMPEACH!

 

[Couchpotato]

Whether or not he had sex with her is kind of key to the point. His claim is that he never had sex with her and that Cohen took it upon himself to take out a mortgage on his home, and then bill Trump for the services, which Trump knew nothing about.

Is it? If Trump didn't have sex with Daniels, would he be innocent of the crimes he's currently charged with? If there was some way to prove that they didn't have sex should the judge throw the case out of court? Because I don't see how that fact would change the business records falsification or the illegal campaign donation charges.

We now know that his claim to not have had sex with her is a lie. His claims he didn't know about the scheme is being undermined by his own staffers.

Again how does him having or not having had sex with Daniels change whether he's guilty of the things he's charged with?

Not disbanded the Pandemic response team

Fact check: White House didn't fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018

Posts claim President Donald Trump fired the "entire" pandemic response team in 2018. When the unit was disbanded, personnel were moved or resigned.

www.usatoday.com

Tim Morrison, a former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the NSC, wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post that he "inherited a strong and skilled staff in the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate" when he joined in July 2018.

"This team of national experts together drafted the National Biodefense Strategy of 2018 and an accompanying national security presidential memorandum to implement it; an executive order to modernize influenza vaccines; and coordinated the United States’ response to the Ebola epidemic in Congo, which was ultimately defeated in 2020," he wrote.

He also said that the reorganization of the NSC was necessary after the "bloat that occurred" under Obama, when the staff quadrupled to nearly 400 – a figure that even members of the Obama administration agreed was too large.

Not thrown out the Pandemic Response Plan

Talk seriously about Covid in January when the first reports came out.
Work with the governors on containment instead of against them.

There is no containment. That's a pipedream. Look at China they were welding people into their apartments, arresting people who were daring to be outside and all it did was delay the inevitable. Everyone gets it. Lock downs don't work. You can wear 50 masks and hide under your bed but at some point you're going to be exposed and get it.

Not withdrawn the US from the WHO

How would remaining in the WHO have changed anything with regards to COVID?

The list can go on, but you get the idea.

I get the idea that all bad things stem from one person in your world.

Only because of Trump's actions. Biden is dealing with the cards he's been dealt. We should have reformed immigration years ago.

LMAO!!!!!! It's Trumps fault Biden cant secure the border...... LOL....

Personally, I'd like to see him go to jail for the rest of his life. But some accountability will be enough.

 

[JoeB131]

Is it? If Trump didn't have sex with Daniels, would he be innocent of the crimes he's currently charged with? If there was some way to prove that they didn't have sex should the judge throw the case out of court? Because I don't see how that fact would change the business records falsification or the illegal campaign donation charges.

Again, it goes to credibility. If Trump had stipulated the sex and the payments and argued the narrower claim that he was trying to protect his family, not his campaign, he might have had a stronger case.

But because he insisted on lying about those other parts, making the prosecution prove every aspect of it, he's completely destroyed his credibility on his claims that he was only trying to protect his trophy wife.

There is no containment. That's a pipedream. Look at China they were welding people into their apartments, arresting people who were daring to be outside and all it did was delay the inevitable. Everyone gets it. Lock downs don't work. You can wear 50 masks and hide under your bed but at some point you're going to be exposed and get it.

China did a reasonably good job of containing it. So did Japan. Trump, on the other hand, did just about everything wrong.

LMAO!!!!!! It's Trumps fault Biden cant secure the border......

Absolutely. Now the immigrants know they can claim asylum, run out the clock, and there isn't much the government can do about it. If Trump and human reptile Stephen Miller hadn't dismantled the asylum system, we could resolve these cases quickly and send the ones we don't want back.

 

[Delldude]

Quite right. So why did Starr include all the salacious stuff?

Due to Blow Job Bill having sex on the taxpayers dime in the Oval. Trump's hump was some 20 years prior to His being elected.............Duh.

Trump allowed the salacious stuff because he's still pretending he didn't have sex with her.

AHhh............Trump didn't allow anything, Daniels was prosecutions witness.

 

[Couchpotato]

Again, it goes to credibility. If Trump had stipulated the sex and the payments and argued the narrower claim that he was trying to protect his family, not his campaign, he might have had a stronger case.

But because he insisted on lying about those other parts, making the prosecution prove every aspect of it, he's completely destroyed his credibility on his claims that he was only trying to protect his trophy wife.

Is Trump innocent of the current charges if he didnt have sex with Daniels. Answer the question. Don't make up some bullshit justification

China did a reasonably good job of containing it. So did Japan. Trump, on the other hand, did just about everything wrong.

1. No they didnt.

2. COVID outcomes have far more to do with your general overall health, not if you stayed in your house. Everyone gets exposed whether or not your health is such that you can fight the infection determines the outcome. The US public has shit health. We eat shit food. Dont exercise, or go outside. That was the largest determining factor (outside age) for COVID outcomes. None of that has anything to do with the Office of the President.

Dont get me wrong I think Trump was shit on COVID too but for wildly different reasons.

Absolutely. Now the immigrants know they can claim asylum, run out the clock, and there isn't much the government can do about it. If Trump and human reptile Stephen Miller hadn't dismantled the asylum system, we could resolve these cases quickly and send the ones we don't want back.

WTF are you talking about? Why didnt the surge of immigrants happen while he was in office then dope?

 

[JoeB131]

Is Trump innocent of the current charges if he didnt have sex with Daniels. Answer the question. Don't make up some bullshit justification

Nope, he'd still be guilty. Not that it matters, we know he did. Lie about one point, lie about everything.

2. COVID outcomes have far more to do with your general overall health, not if you stayed in your house. Everyone gets exposed whether or not your health is such that you can fight the infection determines the outcome. The US public has shit health. We eat shit food. Dont exercise, or go outside. That was the largest determining factor (outside age) for COVID outcomes. None of that has anything to do with the Office of the President.

When you have a president calling it a hoax, encouraging violence against Asian-Americans, encouraging idiots to show up at state capitols with guns... Yes, Trump made covid worse.

WTF are you talking about? Why didnt the surge of immigrants happen while he was in office then dope?

It did stupid.... The number of crossings double from where they were at under Obama.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

Your article is from 2018! and PBS

Mine is from the US Government (straight from the horses mouth) and dated Thursday, January 11, 2024

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/e...les/evo-media-document/camarota-testimony.pdf

Go ahead, tell me mine is not accurate.

One article is about 'immigrants.' The other is about 'illegal immigrants'. Pretty sure the line is blurred on purpose. The two are certainly not equal.

 

[iku]

One article is about 'immigrants.' The other is about 'illegal immigrants'. Pretty sure the line is blurred on purpose. The two are certainly not equal.

and we are talking ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

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Remember John Edwards?

Trump was a disaster in AC from the beginning How did every other AC casino do while Trump owned a few?

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[ThisIsMe]

Which is why he's on trial now.

No, actually, the law does. It's called solicitation and coercion.


Did she? SHe got $130K for her silence, that doesn't seem like good money.

No one paid Brodderick for her affidavit.


Anyone who sees Trump as the lesser evil is a fucking retard.

No, actually, the law does. It's called solicitation and coercion.

Interesting…I was having a conversation a week or so ago about trans people not disclosing their trans status to straight men…which is just like this, and lefty’s were just fine with that.

For the record, I agree it’s a shitty thing to lead someone on for sex…but I’m not sure that is criminal..

Did she? SHe got $130K for her silence, that doesn't seem like good money.

Carroll…Carroll made good money. $130k was the price Daniels agreed to, apparently to her, it was good enough.

Anyone who sees Trump as the lesser evil is a fucking retard.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

[Couchpotato]

Nope, he'd still be guilty. Not that it matters, we know he did. Lie about one point, lie about everything.

Thank you for proving my point. DA's cant just introduce any evidence or testimony that they want. It has to go directly to the guilt/innocence regarding the charges they have put on the defendant. Since according to you Trump's innocence or guilt is not related to the sex act between Daniels and Trump, Daniels testimony regarding it should have been inadmissible. The only reason the DA wanted it was to smear the defendant, which is why is should have been disallowed.

When you have a president calling it a hoax, encouraging violence against Asian-Americans, encouraging idiots to show up at state capitols with guns... Yes, Trump made covid worse.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

www.snopes.com

It did stupid.... The number of crossings double from where they were at under Obama.

Border crossing encounters U.S. 1990-2023| Statista

The number of illegal border crossings reached an all-time high in 2022, with over 2.2 million migrant encounters registered by the U.S. Border Patrol.

www.statista.com

It went up 1 year. Illegal immigration tripled under Biden. Fuck all the way off.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for proving my point. DA's cant just introduce any evidence or testimony that they want. It has to go directly to the guilt/innocence regarding the charges they have put on the defendant. Since according to you Trump's innocence or guilt is not related to the sex act between Daniels and Trump, Daniels testimony regarding it should have been inadmissible. The only reason the DA wanted it was to smear the defendant, which is why is should have been disallowed.

Sorry, Trump called Covid a Hoax. Until it wasn't.

Trump denied having an affair with Daniels. That's why her testimony was necessary. Of course, even if he hadn't, he still did falsify the records.

Motive establishes the crime.

It went up 1 year. Illegal immigration tripled under Biden. Fuck all the way off.

It one year that was lower than Obama's last year, due to the efforts Obama made, then the year after that, it went back to the same. Then in 2019, it doubled! The only reason it went down in 2020 was because of Covid.

Not exactly a good record on the issue.

 

[Couchpotato]

Sorry, Trump called Covid a Hoax. Until it wasn't.

Trump denied having an affair with Daniels. That's why her testimony was necessary. Of course, even if he hadn't, he still did falsify the records.

Motive establishes the crime.


It one year that was lower than Obama's last year, due to the efforts Obama made, then the year after that, it went back to the same. Then in 2019, it doubled! The only reason it went down in 2020 was because of Covid.

Not exactly a good record on the issue.

But exponentially better than the guy currently in office correct?

 

[Couchpotato]

Trump denied having an affair with Daniels. That's why her testimony was necessary. Of course, even if he hadn't, he still did falsify the records.

Motive establishes the crime.

You literally just got done saying that if he hadnt had sex with her that he would still be guilty. Which is it?

 

[jknowgood]

No, it wasn’t left at rehab. It was a friend’s house.

Yes, I guess you can call your rehab place. A friend's house. Makes sense.

 

[Chillicothe]

"IMPEACH!"

"Joseph Robinette Biden: Worst President in US history. Serial plagiarist and congenital liar. Terrorist funder and America hater. Sick incestuous pervert who molested his own daughter. And this is the best the Dimwinger party has to offer."
----------------------------------------

And yet, despite such alleged flaws ----

• Joe Biden = 81,283,501
• Don Trump = 74,223,975

Say it ain't so, Joe

 

[Marener]

Yes, I guess you can call your rehab place. A friend's house. Makes sense.

In or about September 2020, HARRIS and KURLANDER conspired to steal, transport across state lines, and sell personal property that belonged to an individual (the “Victim”) whom HARRIS and KURLANDER knew was an immediate family member of a then-former government official who was a candidate for national political office. The Victim had stored the property, including a handwritten journal containing highly personal entries, tax records, a digital storage card containing private family photographs, and a cellphone, among other things, in a private residence in Delray Beach, Florida, at which HARRIS was temporarily residing. After HARRIS stole the property, she enlisted KURLANDER to help her facilitate its sale. HARRIS and KURLANDER then made contact with an employee of an organization based in Mamaroneck, New York (the “Organization”), who instructed them to use an encrypted application to communicate with the Organization and requested photographs of the Victim’s property. After receiving the photographs, the Organization offered to pay for HARRIS and KURLANDER’s transportation of the property from Florida to New York City. HARRIS and KURLANDER subsequently traveled to New York City with the Victim’s property at the Organization’s expense and met with employees of the Organization

Florida Residents Plead Guilty To Conspiracy To Commit Interstate Transportation Of Stolen Property

www.justice.gov

 

[JoeB131]

But exponentially better than the guy currently in office correct?

No, Trump was a piece of shit who fuked up everything he touched AND disgraced the office with is vulgar behavior.

Biden treats the office with dignity and cleaned up the mess Trump made.

 

[Couchpotato]

No, Trump was a piece of shit who fuked up everything he touched AND disgraced the office with is vulgar behavior.

Biden treats the office with dignity and cleaned up the mess Trump made.

What does that have to do with the current state of illegal immigration?

 

[JoeB131]

You literally just got done saying that if he hadnt had sex with her that he would still be guilty. Which is it?

The sex isn't the crime.

The sex does establish a motive.

For instance, if a cop pulls someone over with the hacked-up remains in the trunk, That's a crime

If you prove why the driver hated the guy in the trunk, that's the motive.

So what Stormy did was prove WHY Trump wanted to commit the crime. She didn't actually prove the crime.

 

[JoeB131]

What does that have to do with the current state of illegal immigration?

You mean other than Trump creating the mess by dismantling the asylum system.