That's way too complicated. I suggest the truth.
You mean like all religions are evil?
No, just wrong.
That's cool,
Taz and
RWS
We can set up a study and show by measurable
Statistics what the CORRELATED patterns are.
I am guessing
RWS wants to show this:
A. measure people's degree of belief in God and/or Christianity
B. show how this correlates with their harmful actions toward others
For
Taz there seems to be a marked concern
for Islamic believers who "lie" and "really want to impose
political religious laws on others over Civil and Constitutional laws"
ding this could also be proven by psychological screening
such as the Ft. Hood Shooter should have received. He's a prime
example of someone in denial who was sympathetic with ISIS
and wanted to go fight and win that war. Also the mindset of
the surviving bomber in Boston. There are also other people
we could study who have the cult mindset of Jihadist sympathizers.
So it is possible to show this scientifically, WHICH people
have the dangerous criminal disorders CORRELATED with
religious beliefs they espouse.
NOTE:
ding and
RWS when Scott Peck first scoped out
if it could be proven that spiritual influences were causing
Schizophrenic voices in people's heads, he started out with
the OPPOSITE premise which he intended to prove, which
was that his Catholic priest friend was WRONG. Peck believed
going into his preliminary observations, using the Scientific
method, that he would prove this "nonsense" was explainable
by science, and it was all delusions from chemical misfirings
in the brain that could be remedied with proper medications.
Instead, after Peck observed the stages and changes that
the two patients went through, while applying the steps of
deliverance and exorcism as a form of therapy to remove
the "demonic" personalities dominating their will and minds,
he came to the OPPOSITE conclusion of what he intended to prove.
Actually by the second interview he was already convinced that
the Schizophrenic voices were not coming from the patients but
from some outside source that could tap into his unconscious
and tell him things nobody else had any knowledge of including
his patients he never told those personal things. And by the time
he finished working the stages, he saw the same patterns that the
priest had told them this process of spiritual healing would follow.
Peck understood that although the spiritual factors and forced
were still faith based and couldn't be proven, the PATTERNS of
the stages and changes from sickness to healing and cure
DID follow MEASURABLE observable conditions that were
quantifiable by science. It took him 8-10 more years to put
this in words and publish a book explaining as best he could
what he saw and experienced, given his mindset of a scientist
that thinks more in secular terms and scientifically measurable
proof. So he made the distinction between the faith based part
that only him and his team saw going on which THEY saw proof
of that other people didn't see. And the EFFECTS and changes/stages
that could be observed and measured by quantifiable degrees, which
he compared to current methods already used in psychotherapy that
is based on observing patient's healthy and unhealthy behaviors.
Also
ding and
Taz with the advances in technology we have
today, we are close to being able to scan and measure ABNORMALITIES
in the brain. So
RWS could well be right that SCIENCE might show
which people of which beliefs show behavior, attitudes, or BRAIN
SCANS of oppressive abusive people who want to impose and
force others to their way of thinking or beliefs.
We could set up studies that show CORRELATION of
certain beliefs with certain behaviors or even brain scans
that aren't healthy or normal.
And in the process
ding such studies could also end up
showing to
RWS that it isn't the belief in God that is
causing the sick mindsets, but whether the Subjects
express certain degrees of Forgiveness and Unforgiveness.
His study as he suggests could end up showing
equal amounts of bullying abusive people among
either Theists or Nontheists.
With
Taz group, measuring Muslims and Nonmuslims,
also, the same degree and percentage of oppressive/aggressive
personalities, "pathological liars with criminal intent to deceive,"
and "politically wanting to impose their beliefs on others" could
show up in BOTH groups and not just Muslims who could
prove to be normal 90-98% with just 2-10% having abnormal
levels of sociopathic or other criminal abusive disorders
as the going rate of the regular population.
We COULD invest research funds into developing brain
scans and methods of SCREENING people for such disorders
so we could run studies on
* liberal vs. conservative identities to see any correlation
* Muslim vs. Nonmuslim
* Atheist vs. Theist
* Buddhist vs. Christian
etc. etc.
And see what that stats show.
My premise is that across ANY groups, whether liberal
or conservative, Theist or Nontheist (or as
RWS and
Taz
question as Christian or Muslim causing the worst threats)
the factors that show the positive and negative CORRELATIONS
would be degrees of FORGIVENESS and UNFORGIVENESS,
regardless of the person's identity or tradition of beliefs.
