Refugees and the right to return

[MJB12741]

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Susan Akram
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J.D., Georgetown University Law Center
Diplome in International Human Rights, Institut International des Droits de l’Homme, Strasbourg (France)

Anyone in favor of the right to return does not want peace.

They want to destroy Israel and have another Diaspora.


Or worse.

Anyone who favors the right of return, favors justice and the rule of law.

Right on Monte. And who said Monte is an imbecile? So what can we all do to help convince the Arab countries to grant a right of return for their Palestinians?

The Palestinians come from Palestine how could they possibly be from somewhere their ancestors have never been? Perhaps you are confusing the Palestinians with the European Zionists that invaded Palestine, their ancestors do come from elswhere outside of Palestine, a place called Europe.

Indigenous Jewish Palestinians were from Palestine. Not the Muslim Palestinian hoards of squatters.

 

[montelatici]

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Anyone in favor of the right to return does not want peace.

They want to destroy Israel and have another Diaspora.


Or worse.

Sure they want peace. They just don't want Israel's version of peace.

Enacting the RIght of return would not bring peace, but further war, and, eventually for the Muslims, victory.


Perhaps a radioactive victory of ruins and ash, but they seem to be fine with that, judging by their actions.

30% of the Palestinian Diaspora is Christian. They want to return too. It would be a victory for western values.

 

[montelatici]

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Anyone in favor of the right to return does not want peace.

They want to destroy Israel and have another Diaspora.


Or worse.

Anyone who favors the right of return, favors justice and the rule of law.

Right on Monte. And who said Monte is an imbecile? So what can we all do to help convince the Arab countries to grant a right of return for their Palestinians?

The Palestinians come from Palestine how could they possibly be from somewhere their ancestors have never been? Perhaps you are confusing the Palestinians with the European Zionists that invaded Palestine, their ancestors do come from elswhere outside of Palestine, a place called Europe.

Indigenous Jewish Palestinians were from Palestine. Not the Muslim Palestinian hoards of squatters.

The indigenous people were not Jews as there were people there before the Jews and there were other people there contemporaneous to the Jews, Samaritans, Edomites (e.g. King Herod was an Edomite whose father converted to Judaism) etc. In any case all those people, the vast majority, converted to Christianity at the end of the 4th Century when it became a legal requirement to be Christian to live in Palestine, as everyone knows, including Zionists themselves.

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

 

[Correll]

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Anyone in favor of the right to return does not want peace.

They want to destroy Israel and have another Diaspora.


Or worse.

Sure they want peace. They just don't want Israel's version of peace.

Enacting the RIght of return would not bring peace, but further war, and, eventually for the Muslims, victory.


Perhaps a radioactive victory of ruins and ash, but they seem to be fine with that, judging by their actions.

30% of the Palestinian Diaspora is Christian. They want to return too. It would be a victory for western values.

Drowning a nation in blood and fire is not a western value. That is what The Right To Return is all about.


That you have enough shame to want to hide from that, is to your credit.


There is hope for you yet.

 

[Shusha]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

 

[louie888]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution".

You obviously did not watch the video.

 

[Shusha]

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution".

You obviously did not watch the video.

I watched the first half. Its slow. Not much actual information.

If you want to argue any of her points, present them and make your case.

If you want to claim a precedent, show me one example of a massive return of people displaced by war and all their descendants.

Put up or give up.

 

[Hollie]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

Europeans stole Pal'istan?

Interesting bit of islamo-nonsense. As usual, you're left to make nonsensical claims and then run for cover under your burqa when the in-coming starts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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Anyone in favor of the right to return does not want peace.

They want to destroy Israel and have another Diaspora.


Or worse.

Sure they want peace. They just don't want Israel's version of peace.

Enacting the RIght of return would not bring peace, but further war, and, eventually for the Muslims, victory.


Perhaps a radioactive victory of ruins and ash, but they seem to be fine with that, judging by their actions.

30% of the Palestinian Diaspora is Christian. They want to return too. It would be a victory for western values.

After the Muslims get sent to Syria, maybe the Christians should be sent to Lebanon?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

 

[montelatici]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

He means Constantinople, which was turned into Istanbul.

 

[montelatici]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

He means Constantinople, which was turned into Istanbul.

Two morons. It's hilarious to think I am discussing history with people that haven't a clue. Again, when did the Arabs "steal" Constantinople?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

Who owns it now? They need to give it back.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

He means Constantinople, which was turned into Istanbul.

Two morons. It's hilarious to think I am discussing history with people that haven't a clue. Again, when did the Arabs "steal" Constantinople?

May 29, 1453.

 

[montelatici]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

Who owns it now? They need to give it back.

Not the Arabs. Who should they give it back to?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

Who owns it now? They need to give it back.

Not the Arabs. Who should they give it back to?

Christians.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

Byzantine Empire - Wikipedia

When can we expect the Arabs/Muslims to depart from their stolen territory?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The customary practice (and law) at the time was that population transfers were both permissible and practical. There are numerous instances involving several million people. The Palestinian people should have been resettled in the ME nations in which they found themselves, just as the Jewish expellees were resettled in Israel, and millions of others were resettled in their various nations during that time. It was an egregious error not to do so, and it has resulted in generations of unnecessary suffering.

Its time for this to end. Long past. The solution is not going to be found in senselessly arguing about the past -- but on focusing on making a plan for the future.

The idea that 6 million Arabs must be returned to Israel is ridiculous. There is no precedent or customary law, nor written law, nor actual practice for this sort of "solution". It would spell the destruction of Israel, which must not happen as it is morally abhorrent to willfully cause the destruction of a State and deny the Jewish people their inherent rights to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty on their cultural, ancestral and historic lands.

The equivalent would be to demand that 6 million Jews be returned to Lebanon, where they had been residing for thousands of years, while insisting that the Lebanese could not have self-determination, self-government and sovereignty and that it should become a Jewish State.

The solution to the "refugee" problem is first to determine who is still a refugee and give them agency over their own choice.

Lots of bullshit there, but yeah, the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled and then we can finally have peace.

the Europeans who stole Palestine could and should be resettled

Cool. When can we resettle the Arabs who stole Byzantium?

When did the Arabs "steal" Byzantium? You need to hit the books moron.

Who owns it now? They need to give it back.

Not the Arabs. Who should they give it back to?

The Holy Roman Emperor.