progressive hunter
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so you only support corruption in government on things you like,,
thats called a hypocrite,,
Trump wants to eliminate income tax, but replace it with tariffs on imported goods.
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thats called a hypocrite,,
pknopp
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Up is down with you I suppose. You can actually address what I said (You can't) or mindlessly ramble (obviously your choice).
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Sorry, not a cult member of trump cult. That is why I do not support your Tariff against the middle class and working poor, to finance no income tax for you and your fellow cult members.
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leftwinger
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Bottom line GOVT needs more revenue or cut spending or both. How can it be accomplished? Start brainstorming.
Good to see regular dopey Americans waking up to reality.
Good to see regular dopey Americans waking up to reality.
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You mindlessly rambled.
progressive hunter
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they sure the fuck dont need more revenue,,
leftwinger
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Do we really need to fly over 30 bullet proofed SUV with premium fuel so Obiden and men in dresses can drive to a GW show up in Glasnow? I mean come on. They got Skype and world-class internet. So many are so OK with any waste.
leftwinger
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First 10% of GOVT spending is wasted on Pensions, parties, travel, perks, seminars, salaries, staff, security etc.
Put them all into and on SS or 401K no match right now. All travel suspended, no partys, perks or frills till debt=O and budget slashed by 33%? 50%? Whatever.
Git er dun.
Put them all into and on SS or 401K no match right now. All travel suspended, no partys, perks or frills till debt=O and budget slashed by 33%? 50%? Whatever.
Git er dun.
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Do you have a link? Anything that shows he imposed tariffs on China in early 2017?
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I’m not a fan of the “do they need” argument to justify taxation. I have two cars. Do I need two cars? No, but I shouldn’t be punished for having two. I won’t even get into my 30 guitars.
Regardless, I oppose property taxes. They undermine the presumption that you can actually own land. Schools should be funded by user fees.
pknopp
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Property taxes are user fee's. Streets, law enforcement, fire protection, etc.
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No they aren’t. If you actually own your property, you wouldn’t have to pay the government to keep it.
There’s no apostrophe in “fees”, btw.
pknopp
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Living in an alternative world.
I've been trying to think this proposed plan through for a couple of days now. I don't even play an economist on TV. If the tariffs were so high that no one wanted to buy imported goods anymore. Where would the government get their money? Donations?
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Hopefully you can find your way back to the real one, where Biden is a senile putz and there are only two genders.
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Yeah, they do. But they don't use as large a percentage of their wages as poor people do.
A lot of poor are getting on for spending 100% of their wages.
Rich people will save or invest.
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Do you write any comments that are about the topic being discussed?
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See Trump floats replacing income tax with tariffs: GOP lawmaker
As you can see, the establishment's lackies are quick to denounce any attempt to return to our Constitution's original tax plan which would help to remove the jackbooted tax-heel from the necks of hard-working American citizens and America's businesses, which is now used as a weapon to punish political opponents and reward the friends of big government.
Trump's idea would bring us closer to our Constitution's original tax plan which is found in the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment.
Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment
“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay
NOTE: these words would return us to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our Founders’ intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor, not to mention the amendment would end federal taxation being used as a political weapon to harass and attack political opponents!
"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."
NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the direct apportioned tax to be laid in order to balance the budget on an annual basis.
"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."
In reference to the above Section see: FIRST DIRECT TAX LAID BY CONGRESS, 1798 and each State’s apportioned fair share.
NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:
States’ population
---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE OF DIRECT TAX
Total U.S. Population
The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to ensure that each state’s share towards extinguishing an annual deficit is proportionately equal to its representation in Congress, i.e., representation with a proportional financial obligation! And if the tax is laid directly upon the people by Congress, then every taxpayer across the United States pays the exact same amount!
Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:
State`s Pop.
------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.
"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."
NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.
"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.
JWK
“……with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
See Trump floats replacing income tax with tariffs: GOP lawmaker
As you can see, the establishment's lackies are quick to denounce any attempt to return to our Constitution's original tax plan which would help to remove the jackbooted tax-heel from the necks of hard-working American citizens and America's businesses, which is now used as a weapon to punish political opponents and reward the friends of big government.
Trump's idea would bring us closer to our Constitution's original tax plan which is found in the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment.
Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment
“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay
any tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, sales, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.NOTE: these words would return us to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our Founders’ intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling the property each has in their own labor, not to mention the amendment would end federal taxation being used as a political weapon to harass and attack political opponents!
"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."
NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the direct apportioned tax to be laid in order to balance the budget on an annual basis.
"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."
In reference to the above Section see: FIRST DIRECT TAX LAID BY CONGRESS, 1798 and each State’s apportioned fair share.
NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:
States’ population
---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE OF DIRECT TAX
Total U.S. Population
The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to ensure that each state’s share towards extinguishing an annual deficit is proportionately equal to its representation in Congress, i.e., representation with a proportional financial obligation! And if the tax is laid directly upon the people by Congress, then every taxpayer across the United States pays the exact same amount!
Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:
State`s Pop.
------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.
"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."
NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.
"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.
JWK
“……with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
Oddball
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Swap out one regressive tax for another?....I don't think so...
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