Refugee Status

[Coyote]

False equivalences and outright lies, good propaganda there comrade. Border Patrol interviews are saying 95% of these so called kids came because they were promised a free pass and nothing else. Children who come in with an adult are eligible for immediate deportation, why isn't your dear leader following the law?

Do you have a source showing those statistics?

There's a Homeland Security and Border Patrol report, it has been linked several times on this board, look it up. You're supposed to know the subject before you start spouting off about it.

YOU are making a claim. YOU support it. I supported my claims already with links from Homeland Security. I am not required to support YOUR claims.

 

[gallantwarrior]

After reading this thread last night and this morning I am compelled to speak up and tell you men and women how moved I am for your willingness to speak up for the German Evangelical Christian family who were granted aslylum here in the United States recently. I am also very grateful for your explaining why the asylum was a good decision on the part of the United States and why allowing aliens from South American nations to flood our nation is also NOT a good decision for our nation. I am truly impressed by the sound response given in this debate over the matter of one evangelical family granted asylum vs. thousands entering our nation via refugee status - from these S. American countries and the reasons given for this not to be permitted.

I am very thankful to Rikurzhen for pointing out why I should not use my vote as a Christian to impose harm on my fellow Americans by a sense of displaced compassion because I have never before heard someone address this point he did make. I have taken your advice to heart, Rikurzhen as I am an evangelical Christian woman.

I wish to thank the following people for speaking up for my fellow brethen and for the good of our country - the evangelical German family granted asylum and tell you that you have restored my confidence in the hearts of my fellow Americans who truly do "get it".

You are a very wise group of people and I cannot thank you enough for speaking up on the behalf of this German family and also our nation in regards to what is safe and what is not safe.

Thank you so very much [MENTION=50157]Rikurzhen[/MENTION], [MENTION=45621]1776[/MENTION], [MENTION=31362]gallantwarrior[/MENTION], [MENTION=45739]Jughead[/MENTION], [MENTION=44252]MACAULAY[/MENTION], [MENTION=26011]Ernie S.[/MENTION] [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION], [MENTION=42777]DigitalDrifter[/MENTION], [MENTION=39653]OKTexas[/MENTION], [MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION], [MENTION=31918]Unkotare[/MENTION] [MENTION=11635]Kat[/MENTION]zndogs, [MENTION=20102]mudwhistle[/MENTION] for courage and willingness to speak up and defend the rights of Christians such as the German family who was granted asylum here. God bless you.

As the German family were granted asylum and not refugee status, I thought this breaking news appropriate for this thread. Yet another Christian family - this time a family who was granted refugee status here in the United States due to religious persecution. I will post a clip from the link to make sure I am abiding by USMB rules. Thank you again, for your informative posts, both ladies and gentlemen, for what you did write - much of which I was totally unaware of. I am very grateful to the posters at USMB for all they offer to this board and the people who read here. Like me! It is a pleasure reading your writings.

From my heart, Jeri

AOL.com Article - Sudan woman who faced death over faith arrives in US

A Sudanese woman who refused to recant her Christian faith in the face of a death sentence, which was later overturned, has arrived in the United States after a flight from Rome.

Meriam Ibrahim arrived with her husband and two children Thursday, officials at Philadelphia International Airport said, and she was to be greeted by Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter.

She was to remain at the airport only briefly before flying on to Manchester, New Hampshire, where she will make her new home. Meriam's husband, Daniel Wani, had previously lived in New Hampshire, where he has family and where hundreds of southern Sudanese refugees have settled over the years.

He had been granted U.S. citizenship when he fled to the United States as a child to escape civil war, but he later returned and was a citizen of South Sudan.

Sudan initially blocked Ibrahim from leaving the country even after its highest court overturned her death sentence in June. At one point, the family took refuge at the U.S. embassy in Khartoum.

It is absolutely repulsive, the way our current administration turns a blind eye to the atrocities being visited not only on christians, but other non-muslim communities world wide. While they refuse to even comment on the wholesale murder and destruction of religious relics of any non-muslim group, they piss and whine about how horrible it is that Israel defends itself against Hamas, a group that has so little consideration for their own people that they use their women, children, and non-combatants as shields.

 

[Coyote]

We get that you hate Muslims.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Actually, they are entitled to a hearing, esp if they claim refugee status

Asylum Claims & Eligibility - FindLaw

Here's a happy compromise. We ship everyone back to some camp that we establish in their country and that is where we send a judge to preside over the hearing.

You get your hearing and I get them out of my country.

Deal.

Ditto!

 

[gallantwarrior]

We get that you hate Muslims.

If you have ever paid attention, you may have noted that I recognize a distinct difference between ME muslims and Eastern European muslims.

 

[OKTexas]

Why do they need asylum - they simply need a country that allows them to homeschool the way they want. What evidence is there they tried to find someplace closer? They applied for a visa here then stayed illegally when it expired yet there was no outcry.

All of those countries can offer what they need and are much closer. They don't need to come to the US. They can learn whatever language is needed. That is what we require of foreign speakers after all.

It just seems to me that the difference is really one of different standards. These central American kids are labeled criminals without a thought. The German family is not.

You haven't spent much time in border States have you. I saw a man interviewed on local new in Houston, he had been in the US 23 years illegally, he had to speak through an interpreter. We don't require anybody to learn anything, they live in their own enclaves where there's no need to learn the language and if they need an interpreter they usually use their children.

Possibly quite true. But here is the thing: it is no different than preceding generations of immigrants. When there was a huge wave of East European Jewish Immigrants or Italian immigrants or Chinese Immigrants they were met with the same hostility and the same rhetoric. They had their enclaves and they had their local language press. But the thing is - their children became fluent in English and in American customs. There is no difference between then and now...and sadly, no difference in rhetoric.

I prove your statement to be false (see bold) and like all lefties you move the freaking goal post. Carry on.

 

[Coyote]

You haven't spent much time in border States have you. I saw a man interviewed on local new in Houston, he had been in the US 23 years illegally, he had to speak through an interpreter. We don't require anybody to learn anything, they live in their own enclaves where there's no need to learn the language and if they need an interpreter they usually use their children.

Possibly quite true. But here is the thing: it is no different than preceding generations of immigrants. When there was a huge wave of East European Jewish Immigrants or Italian immigrants or Chinese Immigrants they were met with the same hostility and the same rhetoric. They had their enclaves and they had their local language press. But the thing is - their children became fluent in English and in American customs. There is no difference between then and now...and sadly, no difference in rhetoric.

I prove your statement to be false (see bold) and like all lefties you move the freaking goal post. Carry on.

In order to "prove it" you really need to provide something more than just your opinion...

 

[Londoner]

This issue has nothing to do with refugees. It has to do with attacking Obama and mobilizing the base with the same ol' "Borders, Language, Culture" rhetoric.

If these children were fleeing Nazi Germany or Hussein's Iraq, we would save them.

But the GOP is not in a position to save these children. They would rather see these children be slaughtered if it means they can use this issue to attack Obama.

This is the problem with Fox News. We have raised a generation of lemmings who can't think for themselves.

 

[westwall]

Why do they need asylum - they simply need a country that allows them to homeschool the way they want. What evidence is there they tried to find someplace closer? They applied for a visa here then stayed illegally when it expired yet there was no outcry.

All of those countries can offer what they need and are much closer. They don't need to come to the US. They can learn whatever language is needed. That is what we require of foreign speakers after all.

It just seems to me that the difference is really one of different standards. These central American kids are labeled criminals without a thought. The German family is not.

Actually....based on first hand knowledge, the German family would be loaded up and shipped back to Germany PDQ, for the most part. There are exceptions but they are very rare... The latinos on the other hand are allowed to walk out with a ticket for their hearing...the majority of which never go.

But the WERE NOT.

And they were not demonized.

Why?

No idea. They are definitely the exception to the rule. My only guess is friends with money or power.

 

[Ernie S.]

Why do they need asylum - they simply need a country that allows them to homeschool the way they want. What evidence is there they tried to find someplace closer? They applied for a visa here then stayed illegally when it expired yet there was no outcry.

All of those countries can offer what they need and are much closer. They don't need to come to the US. They can learn whatever language is needed. That is what we require of foreign speakers after all.

It just seems to me that the difference is really one of different standards. These central American kids are labeled criminals without a thought. The German family is not.

You haven't spent much time in border States have you. I saw a man interviewed on local new in Houston, he had been in the US 23 years illegally, he had to speak through an interpreter. We don't require anybody to learn anything, they live in their own enclaves where there's no need to learn the language and if they need an interpreter they usually use their children.

Possibly quite true. But here is the thing: it is no different than preceding generations of immigrants. When there was a huge wave of East European Jewish Immigrants or Italian immigrants or Chinese Immigrants they were met with the same hostility and the same rhetoric. They had their enclaves and they had their local language press. But the thing is - their children became fluent in English and in American customs. There is no difference between then and now...and sadly, no difference in rhetoric.

My grandparents (paternal) were both born in Germany. They emigrated in 1909 and 1910. Their first child was born in 1912 and none of their 4 sons spoke a word of German.

 

[Ernie S.]

Possibly quite true. But here is the thing: it is no different than preceding generations of immigrants. When there was a huge wave of East European Jewish Immigrants or Italian immigrants or Chinese Immigrants they were met with the same hostility and the same rhetoric. They had their enclaves and they had their local language press. But the thing is - their children became fluent in English and in American customs. There is no difference between then and now...and sadly, no difference in rhetoric.

I prove your statement to be false (see bold) and like all lefties you move the freaking goal post. Carry on.

In order to "prove it" you really need to provide something more than just your opinion...

He did.

 

[Ernie S.]

This issue has nothing to do with refugees. It has to do with attacking Obama and mobilizing the base with the same ol' "Borders, Language, Culture" rhetoric.

If these children were fleeing Nazi Germany or Hussein's Iraq, we would save them.

But the GOP is not in a position to save these children. They would rather see these children be slaughtered if it means they can use this issue to attack Obama.

This is the problem with Fox News. We have raised a generation of lemmings who can't think for themselves.

Of course we are in a position to save them, but there's this pesky document we call the Constitution that doesn't grant the government the power to do so. We get it. You want to help the poor kids from Nicaragua. Be my guest. Please use your own money.

Call me callous all you want. I assure you, I'm a generous man. I prefer to help people in my immediate area. I also donate money to political campaigns.
The difference is, I give my own time and resources. I don't call on Washington to support battered women in Foley Alabama or demand congress pass a bill giving 4 billion to Allen West's Congressional campaign.

We all have our own causes; our own pet charities. You are welcome to donate whatever you like to these kids in order to make yourself feel benevolent. Just remember charity is giving of your resources, not mine.

 

[Unkotare]

This issue has nothing to do with refugees. It has to do with attacking Obama and mobilizing the base with the same ol' "Borders, Language, Culture" rhetoric.

If these children were fleeing Nazi Germany or Hussein's Iraq, we would save them.

But the GOP is not in a position to save these children. They would rather see these children be slaughtered if it means they can use this issue to attack Obama.

Did that baseless, juvenile emoting make you feel better? Do you find bullshit, hyper-partisan shrieking to be cathartic? You might find honest, reasoned discourse to be enjoyable as well if you ever gave it a try.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Border Patrol carries out the law, it doesn't administer it. Every single one of these children is entitled to a hearing under the law.

No their not and again these are not all young children.

Actually, they are entitled to a hearing, esp if they claim refugee status

Asylum Claims & Eligibility - FindLaw

That must be why Obama is spreading them all over America without notifying governors and local law-enforcement, so they can get a fair hearing......that is if they even show up for the thing.

 

[1776]

So you're claiming the German family crossed our border like ILLEGALS from Central America?

They didn't come here with passports and VISAs???

Strange, I lived in Germany 3 times and always had to produce my US passport flowing between both countries....and going to Mexico first was just out of my way.

Uhhhh, they were religious refugees from their country.

They weren't persecuted for religion.

And, come to think of it - why is religious persecution (presumably only upperclass European origin white Christians) more of a reason than violence, sex trafficking and being put to death?

Also, I highly doubt they are living on welfare in this country and they speak ENGLISH.

That's an unknown, and a non-starter. The vast majority of immigrants do not live on welfare, particularly illegals who are prevented by law.

So let's compare them to ILLEGALS that didn't come here through legal avenues, are here to take our welfare benefits and can't speak English.

The German family was here illegally. Anyone can learn English (and most do, certainly by the second generation) What's your point?

 

[1776]

If they were white kids from Europe fleeing Hitler in 2014....scum like you would block them because odds are they wouldn't be welfare parasites and Democraps for life.

The ONLY REASON why scum like you want these brown skinned, disease ridden, low-educated and low skilled people is to overrun our welfare system, medical system and education system to "remake America" and also create new Democrap voters.

We see right through your bullshit. You scum are offering them and their "foster parents" here more FREE shit than what normal Americans get taking care of American orphaned children which is fucking insane. This is being done to make the pot sweeter to bring more of the knuckle-dragging morons here and to get them hooked on the welfare teat.

This issue has nothing to do with refugees. It has to do with attacking Obama and mobilizing the base with the same ol' "Borders, Language, Culture" rhetoric.

If these children were fleeing Nazi Germany or Hussein's Iraq, we would save them.

But the GOP is not in a position to save these children. They would rather see these children be slaughtered if it means they can use this issue to attack Obama.

This is the problem with Fox News. We have raised a generation of lemmings who can't think for themselves.

 

[Howey]

According to the "refugees" they are not fleeing violence. They are told to say so. They are here for the benefits in the belief that obama will take care of them.

An executive action can be undone by another executive action. It does not come up for debate and is not subject to a vote. When another president voids obama's executive order all these refugees will lose their refugee status and be subject to deportation.

Do you havde a credible link supporting that?

Has she ever produced a credible link?

 

[Howey]

If they were white kids from Europe fleeing Hitler in 2014....scum like you would block them

I gave you rep for this without reading on...my bad.

What you said is precisely what todays republicans would have done in the 1930s.

 

[Peach]

Uhhhh, they were religious refugees from their country.

They weren't persecuted for religion.

And, come to think of it - why is religious persecution (presumably only upperclass European origin white Christians) more of a reason than violence, sex trafficking and being put to death?

Also, I highly doubt they are living on welfare in this country and they speak ENGLISH.

That's an unknown, and a non-starter. The vast majority of immigrants do not live on welfare, particularly illegals who are prevented by law.

So let's compare them to ILLEGALS that didn't come here through legal avenues, are here to take our welfare benefits and can't speak English.

The German family was here illegally. Anyone can learn English (and most do, certainly by the second generation) What's your point?

Cubans used to be favored, and I know Canadians that mail forms in for Green Cards, yes the bias is pronounced.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Cubans used to be favored, and I know Canadians that mail forms in for Green Cards, yes the bias is pronounced.

Are you implying that this is a bad way of thinking?

I'd really be interested in reading your plans for encouraging more American youth to drop-out of high school. If we need to be importing illiterate grade-school drop-outs then shouldn't we be doing more to develop these types of people amongst our own citizens.

Having more high school drop-outs is good for the nation, right?