Refugee Status

[Coyote]

You haven't spent much time in border States have you. I saw a man interviewed on local new in Houston, he had been in the US 23 years illegally, he had to speak through an interpreter. We don't require anybody to learn anything, they live in their own enclaves where there's no need to learn the language and if they need an interpreter they usually use their children.

Possibly quite true. But here is the thing: it is no different than preceding generations of immigrants. When there was a huge wave of East European Jewish Immigrants or Italian immigrants or Chinese Immigrants they were met with the same hostility and the same rhetoric. They had their enclaves and they had their local language press. But the thing is - their children became fluent in English and in American customs. There is no difference between then and now...and sadly, no difference in rhetoric.

My grandparents (paternal) were both born in Germany. They emigrated in 1909 and 1910. Their first child was born in 1912 and none of their 4 sons spoke a word of German.

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

I have a friend who's parents immigrated from Vietnam. She and her brother speak Vietnamese and English. My cousin married a Bolivian and has two sons, bilingual. Many immigrants that came in large groups and settled in communities also maintained their home languages through signs posted in their stores, local newspapers printed in their languages - for example, Yiddish and Chinese and Italian languages. They were also despised as dirty, disease ridden, lazy, and a drain on resources. Just like Latin American immigrants today.

 

[Unkotare]

If they were white kids from Europe fleeing Hitler in 2014....scum like you would block them

I gave you rep for this without reading on...my bad.

What you said is precisely what todays republicans would have done in the 1930s.

It's exactly what the democrats DID in the 1930s, you ignorant punk.

 

[guno]

Possibly quite true. But here is the thing: it is no different than preceding generations of immigrants. When there was a huge wave of East European Jewish Immigrants or Italian immigrants or Chinese Immigrants they were met with the same hostility and the same rhetoric. They had their enclaves and they had their local language press. But the thing is - their children became fluent in English and in American customs. There is no difference between then and now...and sadly, no difference in rhetoric.

My grandparents (paternal) were both born in Germany. They emigrated in 1909 and 1910. Their first child was born in 1912 and none of their 4 sons spoke a word of German.

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

I have a friend who's parents immigrated from Vietnam. She and her brother speak Vietnamese and English. My cousin married a Bolivian and has two sons, bilingual. Many immigrants that came in large groups and settled in communities also maintained their home languages through signs posted in their stores, local newspapers printed in their languages - for example, Yiddish and Chinese and Italian languages. They were also despised as dirty, disease ridden, lazy, and a drain on resources. Just like Latin American immigrants today.

Yep my Mother parents my Grandparents told us story's about when they came here in 1905 an the things said and done against the Jews, the same thing now being said about the Latinos

 

[Unkotare]

Having more high school drop-outs is good for the nation, right?

No, having more people like you is not good for the nation.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

English and Spanish are more closely related, coming from common early roots.

Asian languages come from different linguistic root stock.

Is it easier for a Vietnamese to learn English or for a Spanish-speaker to learn English?

 

[Unkotare]

My grandparents (paternal) were both born in Germany. They emigrated in 1909 and 1910. Their first child was born in 1912 and none of their 4 sons spoke a word of German.

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

I have a friend who's parents immigrated from Vietnam. She and her brother speak Vietnamese and English. My cousin married a Bolivian and has two sons, bilingual. Many immigrants that came in large groups and settled in communities also maintained their home languages through signs posted in their stores, local newspapers printed in their languages - for example, Yiddish and Chinese and Italian languages. They were also despised as dirty, disease ridden, lazy, and a drain on resources. Just like Latin American immigrants today.

Yep my Mother parents my Grandparents told us story's about when they came here in 1905 an the things said and done against the Jews, the same thing now being said about the Latinos

Yet somehow you manage to live with yourself being a fucking hypocrite carrying on the same filthy tradition of racism and bigotry. You are a disgrace.

 

[Unkotare]

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

English and Spanish are more closely related, coming from common early roots.

No, they do not come from "common early roots" you idiot. You seem to have no idea why there are so many similarities between English and Spanish.

 

[Unkotare]

Is it easier for a Vietnamese to learn English or for a Spanish-speaker to learn English?

That would depend on the individuals involved.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

English and Spanish are more closely related, coming from common early roots.

No, they do not come from "common early roots" you idiot. You seem to have no idea why there are so many similarities between English and Spanish.

Here you go, sob sister.

 

[Unkotare]

English and Spanish are more closely related, coming from common early roots.

No, they do not come from "common early roots" you idiot. You seem to have no idea why there are so many similarities between English and Spanish.

Here you go...

You have to go back all the way to Indo-European?

Why not just admit that you didn't know Spanish was a Romance Language and English a Germanic language? Without Googling, what happened in 1066? You have no idea. What's a false cognate? You have no idea. The significant influence of the French language on modern Vietnamese? You have no idea.

Just do yourself a favor and move on.

 

[Rikurzhen]

You have to go back all the way to Indo-European?

I suppose you can add reading comprehension problems to the tally of things your get gloriously wrong on this board. Go for excellence, man.

You're trying to make some case about Vietnamese and English having some similarity, or something. Please continue.

 

[AmericanFirst]

So...who merits refugee status?

According to the political Right, this family's "travails" galvanized vociferous actions to grant them refugee status. And for what reason? They weren't politically or economically oppressed. They weren't persecuted for religious reasons. Their lives weren't in danger. Their home country had a law against home schooling. That was it.

German home-school family can stay in U.S. indefinitely - Washington Times


Then, you have the plight of thousands of children fleeing atrocities in Central America: murder, gangs, human trafficking and child rape.

The awful reason tens of thousands of children are seeking refuge in the United States - Vox

Children are uniquely vulnerable to gang violence. The street gangs known as "maras" — M-18 and Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13 — target kids for forced recruitment, usually in their early teenage years, but sometimes as young as kindergarten. They also forcibly recruit girls as "girlfriends," a euphemistic term for a non-consensual relationship that involves rape by one or more gang members.

These are the people that the Republicans want to alter our laws so that we can more quickly deport them back to the violence from which they fled.

It's crazy.

Immigration poll reveals partisan rift over Central American refugees | World news | theguardian.com
70% of Republicans believe these children should NOT be treated as refugees and granted assylum. But this home-schooling family should. WHY?

I've been following this story for a while...It's not that Germany bans home schooling (their public schools are among the best in the world btw), it's that this family wasn't allowed to teach their children an evangelical lying extremist curriculum in Germany.

So because it was Evangelical the state banned it? You just showed your true colors, religion is your hang up.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I've been following this story for a while...It's not that Germany bans home schooling (their public schools are among the best in the world btw), it's that this family wasn't allowed to teach their children an evangelical lying extremist curriculum in Germany.

American white students outperform German students.

When we isolate out immigrants from Germany's schools and compare German whites to American whites, we get almost identical performance from the students:

 

[MikeK]

I certainly have no problem with sheltering children but we need to establish a common understanding of what a child is and is not. Many of the young men we see in the photos of those arriving at our border are young men -- not children. They are equal in appearance to some of the seventeen year-olds who went to Parris Island with me in 1956 (with their parents' permission).

I also have no problem with protecting women from the kind of sexual extortion reportedly imposed on them by organized criminals in their respective homelands. But what about the men of these countries? Don't these women and children have fathers, husbands, and brothers? As an alternative to the notion of granting asylum to these refugees and the probable millions who surely will follow in their path if we accept them, why not arm their able-bodied men and help them to do what able-bodied men are supposed to do when their women and children are threatened.

The three countries which have spawned these refugees were methodically destabilized by Ronald Reagan in the mid-80s. Apparently those chickens are coming home to roost and maybe the right thing for us to do is help to repair the damage we did. Central America is where aggressive American attention is needed -- not Iraq and Afghanistan.

We are confronted with a real and legitimate reason for intervention and nation-building efforts, because the results of Reagan's malignant mistakes are turning up on our doorstep . But instead of preparing an appropriately aggressive response Uncle Sam is sucking his thumb, looking puzzled, and moving quietly in the wrong direction.

 

[Unkotare]

You have to go back all the way to Indo-European?

I suppose you can add reading comprehension problems to the tally of things your get gloriously wrong on this board. Go for excellence, man.

You're trying to make some case about Vietnamese and English having some similarity, or something. Please continue.

Do you know what they have in common? No, I guess not. Could you answer any of my questions? No?

 

[Ernie S.]

My grandparents (paternal) were both born in Germany. They emigrated in 1909 and 1910. Their first child was born in 1912 and none of their 4 sons spoke a word of German.

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

I have a friend who's parents immigrated from Vietnam. She and her brother speak Vietnamese and English. My cousin married a Bolivian and has two sons, bilingual. Many immigrants that came in large groups and settled in communities also maintained their home languages through signs posted in their stores, local newspapers printed in their languages - for example, Yiddish and Chinese and Italian languages. They were also despised as dirty, disease ridden, lazy, and a drain on resources. Just like Latin American immigrants today.

Yep my Mother parents my Grandparents told us story's about when they came here in 1905 an the things said and done against the Jews, the same thing now being said about the Latinos

Liberals want to make everything about race.

Conservatives want the government out of the charity business and you say we hate black people. We want secure borders and we hate Hispanic people. We support Israel's right to exist and we hate Muslims.

If Conservatives hate anything, it's a government that oversteps its Constitutional boundaries, refuses to exercise its ressponsibilities and fails to support its allies.

 

[Ernie S.]

No, they do not come from "common early roots" you idiot. You seem to have no idea why there are so many similarities between English and Spanish.

Here you go...

You have to go back all the way to Indo-European?

Why not just admit that you didn't know Spanish was a Romance Language and English a Germanic language? Without Googling, what happened in 1066? You have no idea. What's a false cognate? You have no idea. The significant influence of the French language on modern Vietnamese? You have no idea.

Just do yourself a favor and move on.

From memory... 1066 Edward the Confessor died and Roman Catholicism became the official religion of Britain.

They also started building Westminster Abby in 1066. (cool place. Ever been there?)

So, our English has had about a thousand years of Latin influence and a couple thousand years of Germanic influence.

 

[Coyote]

Which pretty much is what I said - the second generation becomes fluent in English. Some totally discard their native languages, some are bilinqual.

I have a friend who's parents immigrated from Vietnam. She and her brother speak Vietnamese and English. My cousin married a Bolivian and has two sons, bilingual. Many immigrants that came in large groups and settled in communities also maintained their home languages through signs posted in their stores, local newspapers printed in their languages - for example, Yiddish and Chinese and Italian languages. They were also despised as dirty, disease ridden, lazy, and a drain on resources. Just like Latin American immigrants today.

Yep my Mother parents my Grandparents told us story's about when they came here in 1905 an the things said and done against the Jews, the same thing now being said about the Latinos

Liberals want to make everything about race.

You mean like the Know Nothing movement and the Yellow Peril?

Conservatives want the government out of the charity business and you say we hate black people. We want secure borders and we hate Hispanic people. We support Israel's right to exist and we hate Muslims.

Liberals support the Palestinians right to a state so they hate "Joooos".

If Conservatives hate anything, it's a government that oversteps its Constitutional boundaries, refuses to exercise its ressponsibilities and fails to support its allies.

Conservatives support the right of Uber-religious Christian families from Germany to Immigrate but draw the line at refugees from Latin America

See, I can come up with platitudes too

 

[Ernie S.]

Yep my Mother parents my Grandparents told us story's about when they came here in 1905 an the things said and done against the Jews, the same thing now being said about the Latinos

Liberals want to make everything about race.

You mean like the Know Nothing movement and the Yellow Peril?

Conservatives want the government out of the charity business and you say we hate black people. We want secure borders and we hate Hispanic people. We support Israel's right to exist and we hate Muslims.

Liberals support the Palestinians right to a state so they hate "Joooos".

If Conservatives hate anything, it's a government that oversteps its Constitutional boundaries, refuses to exercise its ressponsibilities and fails to support its allies.

Conservatives support the right of Uber-religious Christian families from Germany to Immigrate but draw the line at refugees from Latin America

See, I can come up with platitudes too

Only your's are just platitudes.