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Reality Versus Racism

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The question advanced in this thread is similar to the often-discussed one about whether Lincoln defended the nation from the attack by the South, to maintain a United States, or to end slavery. And the relative importance of each motivation.

The recent Heather MacDonald article in the Wall Street Journal juxtaposes whether racial quotas are as, or more, important than science.



“The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science
A project to understand the brain becomes a futile effort to make up for educational disparities.”
Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science

For context, let’s remember that our existential foe, China, in the battle for science superiority, is ruthlessly meritocratic. If your laboratory is all male, or all female or all white or black…..why does it matter in the pursuit of excellence?



1.”On June 10, NIH director Francis Collins announced a new requirement for participating in the brain initiative. Neurologists, molecular biologists and nanophysicists seeking NIH funding must now submit a plan showing how they will “enhance diverse perspectives” [that means racial quotas] throughout their research. Scores on the “plan for enhancing diverse perspectives” will inform funding decisions [bean counters will check skin color before you get any $].

This new requirement is part of Dr. Collins’s continuing effort to atone for what he calls biomedical science’s “stain” of “structural racism.” The NIH already supports more than 60 “diversity and inclusion initiatives,” but those have apparently failed to eradicate NIH’s own “systemic and structural racism.”
[Read this thread and you will realize that there is no such stain of 'systemic racism.']

…must show how the principal investigator will
Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science




2. And now, in black and white….pun intended….we have the proof that one need not be smart to head a science organization like The National Institutes of Health. Somehow, according to this dunce, Collins, having just the right rations of all the authorized groups, we will find the answers….the scientific answers….to all of our problems… including treatments for Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, autism and depression.



3. What passes for thinking on Collin’s part is the very same one finds when questioning any Liberal to prove the contentions of the party, that chimera, ‘systemic racism.’
Like this one:
“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.” The Myth Of White Privilege post #77

Any distribution is based on a hundred decisions and behaviors, not racism.

Another lie….there are no such laws in America.



3. Rebuttal from an actual genius:

"If there were a contest for the most stupid idea in politics, my choice would be the assumption that people would be evenly or randomly distributed in incomes, institutions, occupations or awards, in the absence of somebody doing somebody wrong."
Thomas Sowell - The Dumbest Idea



Heather MacDonald explains the disproportions with real data, in the following posts.
 

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As near as I can understand it, the Left's motivating belief is that any phenomenon that results in a racial disparity to the detriment of POC's MUST have been caused by some form of racial discrimination, and more importantly, MUST be "corrected" by racial discrimination in the opposite direction.

So if the researchers in this brain thing turn out to be 99% "white" and Asian - which is in fact the case - it's not because those people have the innate talent, have worked hard to get in this position, and have produced work product that is relevant to the studies, it is because someone or something selected them, rather than other POC's, due to racial animus against non-Asian POC's. The solution, of course, is overt, intentional racial bias IN FAVOR OF non-Asian POC's.

The rational world MUST point out and emphasize the illogic and harmfulness of this Leftist belief. If a phenomenon reflects poorly on non-Asian POC's, then go ahead and look as closely as possible to discern whether some racial animus is at play, but the far greater likelihood, especially in academe, is that the racial discrepancy is entirely justified by the facts.

If American Blacks have a mean Math-SAT that is a full Standard Deviation below the norm, then it is entirely predictable that fields of study that require a science and math aptitude will reflect a very low percentage of Blacks in its higher echelons. Recall that an IQ of 130 is TWO Standard Deviations above the mean for the general population, but THREE Standard Deviations above the mean for Blacks, which means that less then one percent of Blacks are at that intellectual level. Reality follows this unfortunate truth. It is NOT racism - overt, endemic, systemic, or otherwise.

DO NOT LET LEFTISTS GET AWAY WITH THE LIE that any racial discrepancy is the product of insidious discrimination. It is usually NATURAL discrimination - the talented versus the un-talented.
 
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As near as I can understand it, the Left's motivating belief is that any phenomenon that results in a racial disparity to the detriment of POC's MUST have been caused by some form of racial discrimination, and more importantly, MUST be "corrected" by racial discrimination in the opposite direction.

So if the researchers in this brain thing turn out to be 99% "white" and Asian - which is in fact the case - it's not because those people have the innate talent, have worked hard to get in this position, and have produced work product that is relevant to the studies, it is because someone or something selected them, rather than other POC's, due to racial animus against non-Asian POC's. The solution, of course, is overt, intentional racial bias IN FAVOR OF non-Asian POC's.

The rational world MUST point out and emphasize the illogic and harmfulness of this Leftist belief. If a phenomenon reflects poorly on non-Asian POC's, then go ahead and look as closely as possible to discern whether some racial animus is at play, but the far greater likelihood, especially in academe, is that the racial discrepancy is entirely justified by the facts.

If American Blacks have a mean Math-SAT that is a full Standard Deviation below the norm, then it is entirely predictable that fields of study that require a science and math aptitude will reflect a very low percentage of Blacks in its higher echelons. Recall that an IQ of 130 is TWO Standard Deviations above the mean for the general population, but THREE Standard Deviations above the mean for Blacks, which means that less then one percent of Blacks are at that intellectual level. Reality follows this unfortunate truth. It is NOT racism - overt, endemic, systemic, or otherwise.

DO NOT LET LEFTISTS GET AWAY WITH THE LIE that any racial discrepancy is the product of insidious discrimination. It is usually NATURAL discrimination - the talented versus the un-talented.



You have summarized the main points of this thread that I have prepared.


It will not stop me.....I am immovable, like General Jackson’s Virginians at First Manassas: a veritable stone wall.
 
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4. It is always the same bogus ‘documentation’ of racism: the percent of a particular group in the data.



“…evidence for “structural racism” … demographic data on NIH’s grant applicants and recipients. Black applicants are “present in far fewer numbers compared with their representation in the US population, 13.4%,” according to Dr. Collins’s announcement. In 2020 black scientists made up 2.3% of the 30,061 funding applications the NIH received. Less than 2% of NIH grants go to black principal investigators.

… such disparities are virtually irrefutable evidence of discrimination, though grant reviewers don’t see an applicant’s race. But the use of population data as a benchmark for assessing institutional racism ignores racial disparities in academic skills, achievement and study practices that the NIH didn’t cause and couldn’t possibly do anything to remedy.”
Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science



5. Here is the real test for racism: how is it that 'racism' is responsible for these areas in which black students fall short when compared to white and Asian students:

The number of days absent from school

The number of hours spent watching TV

The number of pages read for homework

Quantity and quality of reading material in the home

The presence of two parents in the home.

How does 'racism' explain these ...deficiencies????

How are white folks responsible???



No Democrat/Liberal/Progressive has ever been able to answer these facts.
 
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The question advanced in this thread is similar to the often-discussed one about whether Lincoln defended the nation from the attack by the South, to maintain a United States, or to end slavery. And the relative importance of each motivation.

The recent Heather MacDonald article in the Wall Street Journal juxtaposes whether racial quotas are as, or more, important than science.



“The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science
A project to understand the brain becomes a futile effort to make up for educational disparities.”
Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science

For context, let’s remember that our existential foe, China, in the battle for science superiority, is ruthlessly meritocratic. If your laboratory is all male, or all female or all white or black…..why does it matter in the pursuit of excellence?



1.”On June 10, NIH director Francis Collins announced a new requirement for participating in the brain initiative. Neurologists, molecular biologists and nanophysicists seeking NIH funding must now submit a plan showing how they will “enhance diverse perspectives” [that means racial quotas] throughout their research. Scores on the “plan for enhancing diverse perspectives” will inform funding decisions [bean counters will check skin color before you get any $].

This new requirement is part of Dr. Collins’s continuing effort to atone for what he calls biomedical science’s “stain” of “structural racism.” The NIH already supports more than 60 “diversity and inclusion initiatives,” but those have apparently failed to eradicate NIH’s own “systemic and structural racism.”
[Read this thread and you will realize that there is no such stain of 'systemic racism.']

…must show how the principal investigator will
Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science




2. And now, in black and white….pun intended….we have the proof that one need not be smart to head a science organization like The National Institutes of Health. Somehow, according to this dunce, Collins, having just the right rations of all the authorized groups, we will find the answers….the scientific answers….to all of our problems… including treatments for Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, autism and depression.



3. What passes for thinking on Collin’s part is the very same one finds when questioning any Liberal to prove the contentions of the party, that chimera, ‘systemic racism.’
Like this one:
“White Privilege is evident in the distribution of wealth and power in America, historically-based and perpetuated via laws, educational advantages, inherited wealth, Good Ol' Boy networks, racial prejudices, etc., but some Whites are disgruntled because they do not believe they share in it.” The Myth Of White Privilege post #77

Any distribution is based on a hundred decisions and behaviors, not racism.

Another lie….there are no such laws in America.



3. Rebuttal from an actual genius:

"If there were a contest for the most stupid idea in politics, my choice would be the assumption that people would be evenly or randomly distributed in incomes, institutions, occupations or awards, in the absence of somebody doing somebody wrong."
Thomas Sowell - The Dumbest Idea



Heather MacDonald explains the disproportions with real data, in the following posts.



The ‘funny’ emoticon appears to mean ‘That hurt…I wish I had a way to dispute it.”
 
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6. How can one expect equal participation in advanced science degrees if the pool of science achievement does not include certain authorized minorities?





“According to research by the Brookings Institution’s Michael Hansen and Diana Quintero, black high-school students spend a little more than a quarter of the time on homework that Asian students do, and half the time of white students. [How is this due to racism?]



The average black math score on the SAT in 2020 was 454 on an 800-point scale, compared with 547 for whites and 632 for Asians. [How is this due to racism?]

The College Board calculates an SAT score that predicts, with 75% certainty, that a college freshman will receive at least a C-plus in his first-year math and English courses.



That benchmark SAT score for math is 530. Only 21% of black SAT takers met the math benchmark, and 54% of black SAT takers met neither the math nor the reading benchmark. [How is this due to racism?]
Someone who can’t muster a C-plus in freshman calculus will be unlikely to graduate with a STEM degree.

By comparison, 80% of Asian SAT takers and 59% of white SAT takers met the math benchmark.

One percent of black SAT takers scored in the 700 to 800 range in math (putting them in the pool from which most cutting-edge researchers will be drawn). Thirty-five percent of Asian SAT takers and 9% of whites scored in the 700 to 800 range on math.”
Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science




The real question is why Democrats/Liberals/Progressives provide midnight basketball instead of remedial and advanced classes.

I guess it is simpler to lie and blame the white folks.

And a deafening silence from Democrats/Liberals/Progressives, Critical Race Theory enthusiasts.
 
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7. “Educational attainment, particularly in STEM fields, reflects this skills gap. In 2019, 20 blacks nationwide received a doctorate in a neuroscience field—1.9% of all such degrees awarded in the neurosciences. There were three newly minted black Ph.D.s in biophysics (1.7% of the total) and 21 in biochemistry (2.6% of the total). Genetics and genomics departments graduated three black Ph.D.s (2.3% of the total), and molecular-biology departments 14 (2.5% of the total). In electrical engineering, a feeder into nanotechnology, there were 18 black Ph.D.s (1% of the total). Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science




8. Instead of excuses, it’s time for black folks to get their children off the basketball courts, and into homework, reading, and educational course.

They need to make this sort of commitment:
"First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014




We on the Right believe that black Americans can compete and accomplish just as well as every other group.

Liberals seem not to have this same belief about blacks.
 
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9. In this Wall Street Journal article, we find the absolute shredding of the claim of racism being responsible for the low numbers of minorities in science careers and advanced academic degrees.
The same applies to every other venue in which racism is claimed.


“Science isn’t a social-justice endeavor, despite NIH’s determination to “provide full opportunity and participation to individuals and groups underrepresented in neuroscience.” Those groups are underrepresented for reasons unrelated to discrimination by the academy. Science has one purpose: to advance knowledge about the fundamental workings of nature.

Any agenda that imposes extraneous criteria will reduce the quality of the talent pool and divert attention away from the generation of new knowledge. China imposes no such deadweight on its cutthroat race for scientific dominance."


Beware, Liberals, Democrats, adherents to the bogus Critical Race Agenda......

....if you get what you want, it will be the end of you as well as the normal people.
 

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7. “Educational attainment, particularly in STEM fields, reflects this skills gap. In 2019, 20 blacks nationwide received a doctorate in a neuroscience field—1.9% of all such degrees awarded in the neurosciences. There were three newly minted black Ph.D.s in biophysics (1.7% of the total) and 21 in biochemistry (2.6% of the total). Genetics and genomics departments graduated three black Ph.D.s (2.3% of the total), and molecular-biology departments 14 (2.5% of the total). In electrical engineering, a feeder into nanotechnology, there were 18 black Ph.D.s (1% of the total). Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science




8. Instead of excuses, it’s time for black folks to get their children off the basketball courts, and into homework, reading, and educational course.

They need to make this sort of commitment:
"First is a cultural trait that has become a cliché in the model-minority discussion: a zealous focus on education. .... education for the next generation is close to a religion..... One recent college graduate, now a public school math teacher, told me that his mother would wake him at 5 AM to go over math problems—when he was in the first and second grade. ..
.... one kindergartner’s mother said, in faltering English: “My son must go Harvard.”


No matter how poor they are, parents find a way to get their fourth- or fifth-graders into test-prep classes. WNYC found one Sunset Park family who put aside $5,000 for classes for their three sons out of a yearly household income of just $26,000."
Brooklyn's Chinese Pioneers by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Spring 2014





We on the Right believe that black Americans can compete and accomplish just as well as every other group.

Liberals seem not to have this same belief about blacks.
It was not the left who came up with black codes instead of proclaiming how Capitalism is the best system in the world.
 
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10. “The diversity agenda subverts science in a more fundamental way. The standard argument for what is called “inclusive excellence” is that being black or female affects how one analyzes scientific problems. Skin color even influences the perception of scientific merit. The NIH intends to put more blacks on grant-review panels to increase the number of blacks getting grants.

…science is a universal language, one that unites its participants in a discourse of reason, transcending the particularities of today’s grievance-inspired identity categories. That universality is science’s beauty and its strength.

NIH’s diversity obsession, now pervasive throughout the federal science bureaucracies and in academic STEM departments, is a betrayal ….” Opinion | The NIH’s Diversity Obsession Subverts Science



Should we await the proof of the importance of skin color proven by the Scientific Method????
 

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