Reaffirming the Almighty United States Constitution

[$ecular#eckler]

Okay, what's next?

 

[pknopp]

Okay, what's next?

When people refuse to hold accountable those who violate our rights we end up with protests. At time violent protests.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Only in right-wing fantasy. Our Founding Fathers did an most excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land. We could not do a better job today.

The topic is not about reordering the Constitution. The topic is how do the people who believe that the Constitution is being abused, how are they going to reaffirm it and enforce it to work?

Your words read like you are one of those people. How do we reaffirm the constitution and enforce it?

 

[Oddball]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

Repeal every Amendment after the 13th, for starters.

No, let's not do that.

For starters, the amendments 14 thru 27 were passed legally and according to the US Constitution.

For another reason, it would remove good and valid amendments.

Such as:
14th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on race, color or previous condition of servitude
19th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on sex
22nd - Limits the number of times a person can be elected President
24th - Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of a poll tax or any other tax
26th - Prohibits the denial of the right of US citizens eighteen years of age or older to vote on account of age

Unless you want to go through the proper steps for each amendment, namely to create another amendment to remove it. Like we did for the 18th amendment (Prohibition).

Couldn't care less.

We throw out the baby with the bathwater because it contains Rosemary's baby.

The provision in the 14th, viz. voting not being contingent on previous state of servitude, is antiquated and irrelevant...The rest of it has been the source of an avalanche of litigious mischief and chicanery ever since.

The rest of it can be handled by the states or re-enacted on a case-by-case basis.

 

[Oddball]

When you look at what conservatives bitch about the most it's the ideal that we are all equal under the law. Any conservative effort to change the constitution would gut that first and then go after voting rights and free speech as it pertains to protest. The very idea that we would end up with more freedoms is laughable.

Were you able to hoard all that straw before the price went up?

 

[danielpalos]

Only in right-wing fantasy. Our Founding Fathers did an most excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land. We could not do a better job today.

The topic is not about reordering the Constitution. The topic is how do the people who believe that the Constitution is being abused, how are they going to reaffirm it and enforce it to work?

You read like you are one of those people. How do we reaffirm the constitution and enforce it?

We have a First Amendment and it is first not second.

 

[Flash]

We need a revolution here in the US. One to overthrow the Socialists and reaffirm the Constitution.

There are plenty of people who are inclined to agree with Flash - probably in the tens of millions of American citizens.

. . . And nobody has plan as to how to do it. Nobody has the gumption to sit down and contemplate how to do it, and then write it out into its steps so the rest of the millions of Americans can help in the endeavor.

How are you going to do it?

That is an excellent question and one that I have wrestled with.

However, to be brutally honest I have to pathetically chickenshit out. I am in my mid 70s. My ability and revolutionary zeal days are fast coming to an end.

We need a strong courageous leader. Unfortunately I am not that person at this time. I am well regulated and still can kick a little ass if I have to but as I get older my energy level is just not there to do something like start a real revolution to take this country back from the Socialist pigs and reestablish the Liberty that was promised to us.

However, if there is one I have the ability to arm and supply with ammo a rebel platoon. That may be my only worthwhile contribution.

In the meantime all I am doing is bitching about it to friends, family and on the internet. Pathetic, isn't it?

 

[progressive hunter]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

how would you know what I'm doing??

hate to break it to you but I started yrs ago,,

If you had anything, then you would not be dissing me every chance you get - you would be doing everything you can to enlist my help, much less, claiming that you know how to do it without providing what should be the best answer to the topic - how do you do it?

What are you going to call it - United States Fourth Continental Congress???
I hate to break it to you, but I started twenty years ago. I deliberated a scientific theory for separating government powers, and I established a website.

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I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

 

[Flash]

Only in right-wing fantasy. Our Founding Fathers did an most excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land. We could not do a better job today.

The topic is not about reordering the Constitution. The topic is how do the people who believe that the Constitution is being abused, how are they going to reaffirm it and enforce it to work?

Your words read like you are one of those people. How do we reaffirm the constitution and enforce it?

Too many people have got away with ignoring the Constitution. Not only politicians and Legislatures but also the Courts. Look how the Supreme Court let the Democrats get away with stealing an election because they didn't want riots, as an example. Look how the Federals, State and Locals get away with infringing upon our right to keep and bear arms and nobody does a damn thing about it.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

However, to be brutally honest I have to pathetically chickenshit out. I am in my mid 70s. My ability and revolutionary zeal days are fast coming to an end.

We need a strong courageous leader. Unfortunately I am not that person at this time. I am well regulated and still can kick a little ass if I have to but as I get older my energy level is just not there to do something like start a real revolution to take this country back from the Socialist pigs and reestablish the Liberty that was promised to us.

However, if there is one I have the ability to arm and supply with ammo a rebel platoon. That may be my only worthwhile contribution.

In the meantime all I am doing is bitching about it to friends, family and on the internet. Pathetic, isn't it?

There will not be a violent revolutionary war - it will be a peaceful multi-level constitutional convention.

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[WinterBorn]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

Repeal every Amendment after the 13th, for starters.

No, let's not do that.

For starters, the amendments 14 thru 27 were passed legally and according to the US Constitution.

For another reason, it would remove good and valid amendments.

Such as:
14th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on race, color or previous condition of servitude
19th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on sex
22nd - Limits the number of times a person can be elected President
24th - Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of a poll tax or any other tax
26th - Prohibits the denial of the right of US citizens eighteen years of age or older to vote on account of age

Unless you want to go through the proper steps for each amendment, namely to create another amendment to remove it. Like we did for the 18th amendment (Prohibition).

Couldn't care less.

We throw out the baby with the bathwater because it contains Rosemary's baby.

The provision in the 14th, viz. voting not being contingent on previous state of servitude, is antiquated and irrelevant...The rest of it has been the source of an avalanche of litigious mischief and chicanery ever since.

The rest of it can be handled by the states or re-enacted on a case-by-case basis.

The 14th was not just about previous state of servitude. It was also about race and color.

Repealing the 19th amendment would remove women's ability to vote. Since women make up 51% of the population, good luck getting that amendment to fly.

The rest were constitutional amendment passed by the methods detailed in the US Constitution. Wouldn't throwing them out also be ignoring the US Constitution that you want followed?

 

[Pellinore]

Only in right-wing fantasy. Our Founding Fathers did an most excellent job at the convention with our federal Constitution and supreme law of the land. We could not do a better job today.

The topic is not about reordering the Constitution. The topic is how do the people who believe that the Constitution is being abused, how are they going to reaffirm it and enforce it to work?

You read like you are one of those people. How do we reaffirm the constitution and enforce it?

We have a First Amendment and it is first not second.

One of my favorite aspects of the Constitution is that the Bill of Rights are placed in order to tell a story of what happens when a citizen gets an idea. The First Amendment allows us to practice our own ideology (freedom of religion), discuss it (free speech), communicate it (the press), and gather with others about it (assembly). The redress clause of the First along with the Second and Third protect us from the government shutting it down. When you're arrested, you have the Fourth; when arraigned, the Fifth; and tried, the Sixth. The Seventh is for civil cases, and the Eighth is for when you get sentenced. The Ninth and Tenth cover the rules themselves. It makes quite a bit of sense, logically.

That's kind of beside the point, but your post reminded me of it and I felt like sharing.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

Repeal every Amendment after the 13th, for starters.

No, let's not do that.

For starters, the amendments 14 thru 27 were passed legally and according to the US Constitution.

For another reason, it would remove good and valid amendments.

Such as:
14th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on race, color or previous condition of servitude
19th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on sex
22nd - Limits the number of times a person can be elected President
24th - Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of a poll tax or any other tax
26th - Prohibits the denial of the right of US citizens eighteen years of age or older to vote on account of age

Unless you want to go through the proper steps for each amendment, namely to create another amendment to remove it. Like we did for the 18th amendment (Prohibition).

Couldn't care less.

We throw out the baby with the bathwater because it contains Rosemary's baby.

The provision in the 14th, viz. voting not being contingent on previous state of servitude, is antiquated and irrelevant...The rest of it has been the source of an avalanche of litigious mischief and chicanery ever since.

The rest of it can be handled by the states or re-enacted on a case-by-case basis.

The 14th was not just about previous state of servitude. It was also about race and color.

Repealing the 19th amendment would remove women's ability to vote. Since women make up 51% of the population, good luck getting that amendment to fly.

The rest were constitutional amendment passed by the methods detailed in the US Constitution. Wouldn't throwing them out also be ignoring the US Constitution that you want followed?

not if you follow constitutional process to remove them,,,

 

[$ecular#eckler]

SL Chartering System - US4CC

US4CC

www.us4cc.info

I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

You senselessly dissed me in the past with thumbs down reactions to my campaign for a constitutional convention, and here you are claiming to be working on a path to restoring the Constitution, but unwilling to explain it and help those who want to do the same.
And then, you may have noticed, that there are plenty of people who are getting it all mixed up, and think that restoring the constitution is the same as reordering it - so . . .

I'm going to argue that either way requires the same rules for organizing people to do it!

 

[WinterBorn]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

Repeal every Amendment after the 13th, for starters.

No, let's not do that.

For starters, the amendments 14 thru 27 were passed legally and according to the US Constitution.

For another reason, it would remove good and valid amendments.

Such as:
14th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on race, color or previous condition of servitude
19th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on sex
22nd - Limits the number of times a person can be elected President
24th - Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of a poll tax or any other tax
26th - Prohibits the denial of the right of US citizens eighteen years of age or older to vote on account of age

Unless you want to go through the proper steps for each amendment, namely to create another amendment to remove it. Like we did for the 18th amendment (Prohibition).

Couldn't care less.

We throw out the baby with the bathwater because it contains Rosemary's baby.

The provision in the 14th, viz. voting not being contingent on previous state of servitude, is antiquated and irrelevant...The rest of it has been the source of an avalanche of litigious mischief and chicanery ever since.

The rest of it can be handled by the states or re-enacted on a case-by-case basis.

The 14th was not just about previous state of servitude. It was also about race and color.

Repealing the 19th amendment would remove women's ability to vote. Since women make up 51% of the population, good luck getting that amendment to fly.

The rest were constitutional amendment passed by the methods detailed in the US Constitution. Wouldn't throwing them out also be ignoring the US Constitution that you want followed?

not if you follow constitutional process to remove them,,,

If you can get constitutional amendments to pass, more power to you. I think the repeal of the 14th and 19th would be impossible to get the votes to repeal.

 

[progressive hunter]

SL Chartering System - US4CC

US4CC

www.us4cc.info

I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

You senselessly dissed me in the past with thumbs down reactions to my campaign for a constitutional convention, and here you are claiming to be working on a path to restoring the Constitution, but unwilling to help out those who want to do the same.
And then, you may have noticed, that there are plenty of people who are getting it all mixed up, and think that restoring the constitution is the same as reordering it - so . . .

I'm going to argue that either way requires the same rules for organizing people to do it!

your feelings arent my problem,, and I am against a CC without any clarification of what the goal is,,

what I am for is a restoration to constitutional limited government that doesnt require a CC,,,

and before you complain about others disliking your opinion you shouldnt troll their comments and tag every comment with dislikes like you did to me and others a few weeks ago,,,

 

[$ecular#eckler]

One of my favorite aspects of the Constitution is that the Bill of Rights are placed in order to tell a story of what happens when a citizen gets an idea. The First Amendment allows us to practice our own ideology (freedom of religion), discuss it (free speech), communicate it (the press), and gather with others about it (assembly). The redress clause of the First along with the Second and Third protect us from the government shutting it down. When you're arrested, you have the Fourth; when arraigned, the Fifth; and tried, the Sixth. The Seventh is for civil cases, and the Eighth is for when you get sentenced. The Ninth and Tenth cover the rules themselves. It makes quite a bit of sense, logically.

That's kind of beside the point, but your post reminded me of it and I felt like sharing.

The Constitution was laid out with that intent of a process of an idea to a law, to challenges, and then possible repeal.

 

[progressive hunter]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

Repeal every Amendment after the 13th, for starters.

No, let's not do that.

For starters, the amendments 14 thru 27 were passed legally and according to the US Constitution.

For another reason, it would remove good and valid amendments.

Such as:
14th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on race, color or previous condition of servitude
19th - Prohibits the denial of the right to vote based on sex
22nd - Limits the number of times a person can be elected President
24th - Prohibits the revocation of voting rights due to the non-payment of a poll tax or any other tax
26th - Prohibits the denial of the right of US citizens eighteen years of age or older to vote on account of age

Unless you want to go through the proper steps for each amendment, namely to create another amendment to remove it. Like we did for the 18th amendment (Prohibition).

Couldn't care less.

We throw out the baby with the bathwater because it contains Rosemary's baby.

The provision in the 14th, viz. voting not being contingent on previous state of servitude, is antiquated and irrelevant...The rest of it has been the source of an avalanche of litigious mischief and chicanery ever since.

The rest of it can be handled by the states or re-enacted on a case-by-case basis.

The 14th was not just about previous state of servitude. It was also about race and color.

Repealing the 19th amendment would remove women's ability to vote. Since women make up 51% of the population, good luck getting that amendment to fly.

The rest were constitutional amendment passed by the methods detailed in the US Constitution. Wouldn't throwing them out also be ignoring the US Constitution that you want followed?

not if you follow constitutional process to remove them,,,

If you can get constitutional amendments to pass, more power to you. I think the repeal of the 14th and 19th would be impossible to get the votes to repeal.

I agree,, but just making the point if it follows protocol its the will of the people,,

 

[Flash]

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I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

You senselessly dissed me in the past with thumbs down reactions to my campaign for a constitutional convention, and here you are claiming to be working on a path to restoring the Constitution, but unwilling to explain it and help those who want to do the same.
And then, you may have noticed, that there are plenty of people who are getting it all mixed up, and think that restoring the constitution is the same as reordering it - so . . .

I'm going to argue that either way requires the same rules for organizing people to do it!

I think the country is too broke to be fixed at the ballot booth. We can't vote our way out of the welfare state when there are so many welfare queens in this country. Hell that asshole Joe Dufus is allowing millions more to flood in.

It is going to take blood to reestablish the Constitution.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

SL Chartering System - US4CC

US4CC

www.us4cc.info

I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

You senselessly dissed me in the past with thumbs down reactions to my campaign for a constitutional convention, and here you are claiming to be working on a path to restoring the Constitution, but unwilling to help out those who want to do the same.
And then, you may have noticed, that there are plenty of people who are getting it all mixed up, and think that restoring the constitution is the same as reordering it - so . . .

I'm going to argue that either way requires the same rules for organizing people to do it!

your feelings arent my problem,, and I am against a CC without any clarification of what the goal is,,

what I am for is a restoration to constitutional limited government that doesnt require a CC,,,

and before you complain about others disliking your opinion you shouldnt troll their comments and tag every comment with dislikes like you did to me and others a few weeks ago,,,

You were doing it to me.