Question on improving working class pay to conservatives...

[initforme]

I do not understand how some people can be so clueless when it comes to economics.
One of the main reasons why so many manufacturers left the U.S. is because they could pay a lot less in wages. Paying higher wages does not make manufacturing in the U.S. more profitable or alluring.
Some countries have as much as a 300% tariff on U.S. goods while we may have 3 or 4% on their goods. Why should the U.S. continue with this kind of lopsided policy?
Just because we want cheap junk, stuff we can use or hold for a few months then buy again because it fell apart?
What is wrong with the idea that if a country puts a 20% tariff on our products then we are allowed to put 20% on theirs? If they have no tariffs on ours then we have no tariffs on theirs? It is called a reciprocal trade or another way to put it is level playing field.
China often has extremely high tariffs on our products and they steal intellectual property right and left. A manufacturer can not even take the government or a Chinese company to court.
Exactly why should we buy other countries products when they are not willing to buy ours?

So if the wages for those jobs stay low here, then workers here get hurt. No win situation?

 

[Maxdeath]

So if the wages for those jobs stay low here, then workers here get hurt. No win situation?

I do not understand what you are getting at. What jobs are staying low? How are jobs in China hurting workers here? If you have a low paying job in China then it is only hurting the Chinese worker. It does not affect a worker here.
If a manufacturer opens up a facility here then they have to pay whatever it takes to get people to work in that facility.
So exactly how do you see that as a low paying job in no win situation?
You seem to be unable to understand economics

 

[Seymour Flops]

If conservatives really want to improve pay and improve jobs for the working class why not simply support a higher minimum wage for jobs Americans are ALREADY doing? Why not support union labor protection laws so that the workers can get better pay and benefits for jobs they are already doing?

If the plan is to tariff Americans (yes we pay tariffs) so that it makes us buy more expensive US made goods so that better jobs are available in the US (I guess sewing jeans and gluing shoe soles are better jobs) then why not simply drive better wages for jobs we are already doing?

I am not sure I understand the conservative position on business and workers. Can someone legitimately explain the objective of conservative policy without flame wars?

Republicans Like to Cut Taxes. With Tariffs, Trump Is Raising Them.

President Trump’s tariffs are scrambling the Republican plan for the economy, long centered on tax cuts and growth.

www.nytimes.com

I would answer those questions by posing another question using the same logi:

Instead of worrying about the regulatory, legislative, and market factors that have raised egg prices higher than we want, why not simply mandate that eggs cost no more than $3.00 for a dozen, and $4.50 for 18?

 

[initforme]

I do not understand what you are getting at. What jobs are staying low? How are jobs in China hurting workers here? If you have a low paying job in China then it is only hurting the Chinese worker. It does not affect a worker here.
If a manufacturer opens up a facility here then they have to pay whatever it takes to get people to work in that facility.
So exactly how do you see that as a low paying job in no win situation?
You seem to be unable to understand economics

I'm america first. American workers of today easily outwork any in the world. Especially our younger workers.

 

[citygator]

I would answer those questions by posing another question using the same logi:

Instead of worrying about the regulatory, legislative, and market factors that have raised egg prices higher than we want, why not simply mandate that eggs cost no more than $3.00 for a dozen, and $4.50 for 18?

A price cap doesnt work the same as a price floor. Try again. I appreciate the supply and demand angle though.

 

[Seymour Flops]

A price cap doesnt work the same as a price floor. Try again. I appreciate the supply and demand angle though.

Nothing is exactly the same as anything else.

Can you be specific about your objection to mandating egg prices? I’m wondering how any objection would not also hold for labor prices.

 

[Unkotare]

Unemployment is at full employment levels. ....

Jack up minimum wage and you'll see unemployment skyrocket. You'll also see a lot of small businesses go out of business. Look beyond the end of your nose.

 

[Unkotare]

Supposedly there are Americans working two jobs or more to make ends meet. ....

I'd be surprised if there were many who weren't.

 

[Unkotare]

What happens to GDP and wealth with 50 million less [sic] customers?

"Fewer"

 

[citygator]

 

[citygator]

Jack up minimum wage and you'll see unemployment skyrocket. You'll also see a lot of small businesses go out of business. Look beyond the end of your nose.

Ok. So higher wages are bad for Americans?

 

[bendog]

Unfair tariffs on American goods have hollowed out American manufacturing and destroyed good jobs.
We should have fair tariffs if we want good jobs.
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So we should pay more for the shit the UAW and other unions tried to force on us in the 70s?

Here's a clue. When business is expanding - and more now appear to not be doing so anymore since the tariff wars began, tanking both consumption and corporate expansion - business hires more workers

(unless the progs are paying them to stay home and not work because it's for the children) which causes wage demands to go up and raise pay

 

[citygator]

I'd be surprised if there were many who weren't.

Trumps America is the first time the multiple job holders has exceeded pre-covid levels.

 

[Unkotare]

Ok. So higher wages are bad for Americans?

Recklessly and artificially inflated wages are bad for business. Bad for business = fewer jobs = bad for Americans

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If conservatives really want to improve pay and improve jobs for the working class why not simply support a higher minimum wage for jobs Americans are ALREADY doing?

If leftists really want to improve pay and improve jobs for the working class why not simply support a secure border and quicker deportations of illegal aliens to increase the income of working-class Americans?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you are willing to pay more money to American workers to do the work, correct? Then why not raise the minimum wage so that workers get paid the higher wages you are looking for them to have anyway? If companies are unable to pay $7.15 to an immigrant but instead have to pay $17.15 then wouldnt more Americans do those jobs?

I dont understand why, if you just want companies to pay more, you dont support laws requiring them to pay more.

So you are willing to pay more money to American workers to do the work, correct?

The market has to be willing to pay American workers more money.

Then why not raise the minimum wage so that workers get paid the higher wages

Because the government distorts the market.

 

[citygator]

So you are willing to pay more money to American workers to do the work, correct?

The market has to be willing to pay American workers more money.

Then why not raise the minimum wage so that workers get paid the higher wages

Because the government distorts the market.

If left to the FREE MARKET Americans would pay a Chinese worker less money to make a good than an American. That is why business is over there.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The tactic Trump is using to improve the economy is tariffs. Tariffs are when the US government makes US companies give the US government money to bring in imports from certain countries. Those are added to the cost of products and the money goes to Uncle Sam. How does that improve worker job opportunities or their economic situation in any way?

You suggested minimum wages were not good policy. You say workers should just "improve themselves" to get high wages. How does Tariffs help that? Or how does any GOP policy help that?

The tactic Trump is using to improve the economy is tariffs.

And also deporting millions of illegal aliens.

Those are added to the cost of products and the money goes to Uncle Sam. How does that improve worker job opportunities or their economic situation in any way?

Like stupid green regulations and mandates adding to the cost of products?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If left to the FREE MARKET Americans would pay a Chinese worker less money to make a good than an American. That is why business is over there.

How does a higher minimum wage prevent that?

 

[initforme]

So you are willing to pay more money to American workers to do the work, correct?

The market has to be willing to pay American workers more money.

Then why not raise the minimum wage so that workers get paid the higher wages

Because the government distorts the market.

People are going to be eager to pay much more for an American worker to make the same product. It all comes down to that.