Question on improving working class pay to conservatives...

So you are willing to pay more money to American workers to do the work, correct? Then why not raise the minimum wage so that workers get paid the higher wages you are looking for them to have anyway? If companies are unable to pay $7.15 to an immigrant but instead have to pay $17.15 then wouldnt more Americans do those jobs?

I dont understand why, if you just want companies to pay more, you dont support laws requiring them to pay more.
Because requiring companies to pay more leads to very high unemployment. The workers become parasites killing the host.

This is what happened to Hostess. The demands for more pay and better benefits forced the company into dissolution. It California high minimum wages forced some businesses out of business. It forced many more to mechanize and automate leading to even more unemployment.
 
So you are willing to pay more money to American workers to do the work, correct? Then why not raise the minimum wage so that workers get paid the higher wages you are looking for them to have anyway? If companies are unable to pay $7.15 to an immigrant but instead have to pay $17.15 then wouldnt more Americans do those jobs?

I dont understand why, if you just want companies to pay more, you dont support laws requiring them to pay more.
Raising the minimum wage when 50 million slaves are present just assures that more slaves go to work. You don’t realize that?
 
It's only conservative that would like to improve pay and jobs because.....liberals don't have jobs? Or libs are getting enough from government handouts?
Except Blue states are contributors and Red States are takers...

Blue States are richer...

Your narrative is sheer bullshit.... And this is evidential across the world... Social Democracy is the political system which has the best results, economically, health, happiness.... there are anomalies for resources rich but generally it is the winner....

The GOP/MAGA rant of Greed is good just doesn't work in the long run...
 
I do not understand how some people can be so clueless when it comes to economics.
One of the main reasons why so many manufacturers left the U.S. is because they could pay a lot less in wages. Paying higher wages does not make manufacturing in the U.S. more profitable or alluring.
Some countries have as much as a 300% tariff on U.S. goods while we may have 3 or 4% on their goods. Why should the U.S. continue with this kind of lopsided policy?
Just because we want cheap junk, stuff we can use or hold for a few months then buy again because it fell apart?
What is wrong with the idea that if a country puts a 20% tariff on our products then we are allowed to put 20% on theirs? If they have no tariffs on ours then we have no tariffs on theirs? It is called a reciprocal trade or another way to put it is level playing field.
China often has extremely high tariffs on our products and they steal intellectual property right and left. A manufacturer can not even take the government or a Chinese company to court.
Exactly why should we buy other countries products when they are not willing to buy ours?
Ok. So let me get this straight. Tariffs are BAD and we need them to go away? Correct?
 
Because requiring companies to pay more leads to very high unemployment. The workers become parasites killing the host.

This is what happened to Hostess. The demands for more pay and better benefits forced the company into dissolution. It California high minimum wages forced some businesses out of business. It forced many more to mechanize and automate leading to even more unemployment.
But.. by reducing the labor force you are FORCING companies to pay more to attract people who can be lazy because there isnt a lot of workers to take their job. Same results you are saying you dont want. You are just doing the forcing in a different way, one way that I would add is more complex and ends up with less options available to the consumer.
 
Except Blue states are contributors and Red States are takers...

Blue States are richer...

Your narrative is sheer bullshit.... And this is evidential across the world... Social Democracy is the political system which has the best results, economically, health, happiness.... there are anomalies for resources rich but generally it is the winner....

The GOP/MAGA rant of Greed is good just doesn't work in the long run...
Before the invasion of foreigners Mexifornia was red as fuck for decades…not so surprisingly it was at its best. Population drives GDP, politics creates the societal conditions…that’s why ALL blue cities are disgusting, dangerous, dependent, divided, diverse supershitholes….ALL of them.
 
Raising the minimum wage when 50 million slaves are present just assures that more slaves go to work. You don’t realize that?
If you really got rid of 50 million workers out of 170M workers you'd have no businesses. What are you really suggesting. I know it isnt getting rid of 50M of 170M workers. But what really are you looking to accomplish here?
 
But.. by reducing the labor force you are FORCING companies to pay more to attract people who can be lazy because there isnt a lot of workers to take their job. Same results you are saying you dont want. You are just doing the forcing in a different way, one way that I would add is more complex and ends up with less options available to the consumer.
Even though there is tons of evidence to show you how minimum wages increase unemployment you still cling to your fiction.
 
What will tariffs do? They will increase inflation and there is zero wage increase so it is doubly bad. If you are unwilling to pay people more to do jobs, then why support tariffs if their goal is to move low paying jobs to the US for US workers to do them at higher wages? It doesnt sound like it helps the working class.
What tariffs? The only ones I know of are for China, which Biden also had.
 
Except Blue states are contributors and Red States are takers...

Blue States are richer...

Your narrative is sheer bullshit.... And this is evidential across the world... Social Democracy is the political system which has the best results, economically, health, happiness.... there are anomalies for resources rich but generally it is the winner....

The GOP/MAGA rant of Greed is good just doesn't work in the long run...
So, California (a blue state), where they have the highest homelessness, highest welfare cases, damn high real estate prices and taxes, don't want better paying jobs?
 
Even though there is tons of evidence to show you how minimum wages increase unemployment you still cling to your fiction.
I am simply asking how raising wages by tariffs is good policy (which we havent even discussed how that happens) but raising wages with a minimum wage is bad policy. Maybe you dont like higher wages at all and you just support the tariff thing without thinking it through because Donald proposed it? I am fine with that if that is the answer. It's inconsistent logic but if it is just a show of loyalty even though you arent bought into it, then so be it. I think it is damaging to the economy though.
 
So, California (a blue state), where they have the highest homelessness, highest welfare cases, damn high real estate prices and taxes, don't want better paying jobs?
Kind off topic my friend. California is expensive because 40M people want to live there in that small area. That leads to some problems and solves others. This is a thread on Conservative economic policy. I am confused how tariffs fit in.
 
What tariffs? The only ones I know of are for China, which Biden also had.
Not sure if you are following the news but Trump put massive tariffs on almost every country and then suspended them for 90 days when the bond market melted down. He said his people got "yippie" about the markets. Then he started to spin a little on pausing saying suddenly people want to negotiate.
 
Ok. So let me get this straight. Tariffs are BAD and we need them to go away? Correct?
I see you can not read or understand what is written. So no use even trying to educate you.
 
I see you can not read or understand what is written. So no use even trying to educate you.
All I am asking for you to do is be clear. Do you want no tariffs or do you want tariffs on goods? It is an easy question that will help me understand your point of view. You really did say Trump was getting rid of tariffs but then you said they work for other nations. Just be clear.
 
All I am asking for you to do is be clear. Do you want no tariffs or do you want tariffs on goods? It is an easy question that will help me understand your point of view. You really did say Trump was getting rid of tariffs but then you said they work for other nations. Just be clear.
Damn son you really are unable to understand anything. Trying to explain anything to you is like trying to explain relativity to a two year old. Where did I even mention Trump? I never said they work or do not work for other nations, where are you getting this stuff? Maybe have someone read what I wrote and explain it to you. I believe someone with a high school education could do that.
 
Kind off topic my friend. California is expensive because 40M people want to live there in that small area. That leads to some problems and solves others. This is a thread on Conservative economic policy. I am confused how tariffs fit in.
Maybe so, but on target in reply to Cowboy. That small area? Isn't CA the third largest state? Of that "40M" people that want to live here, 20M are illegal, 10M are welfare recipients and 10M are just plain stupid because those that do live here can't wait to get out.
 
I am simply asking how raising wages by tariffs is good policy (which we havent even discussed how that happens) but raising wages with a minimum wage is bad policy. Maybe you dont like higher wages at all and you just support the tariff thing without thinking it through because Donald proposed it? I am fine with that if that is the answer. It's inconsistent logic but if it is just a show of loyalty even though you arent bought into it, then so be it. I think it is damaging to the economy though.
Raising wages through raising the minimum wage isn't only a bad policy. It is a horrible policy that proves how horrible it is every day. Raising wages by competition is the best way. Tariffs are one way of increasing competition. At one time we had no income tax. All the government money to run the place came from tariffs. Tariffs grew this economy as companies opened their enterprises here rather than pay tariffs.

In any event, the only reason why the United States should pay tariffs without charging any is simply a way to punish our success in being the largest economy in the world. I fully agree with Trump's charging tariffs because I know full well that tariffs are part of a plan to stop other countries from abusing us economically. Does he intend to have tariffs as the ultimate goal. No. Of course not. Tariffs are merely a means to an end.
 
DO you really not understand or are you just trolling. Be honest
He said the answer was having fewer immigrants. I asked, then why tariffs if the answer was fewer immigrants? Honest question.
 

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