Question on improving working class pay to conservatives...

[citygator]

Damn son you really are unable to understand anything. Trying to explain anything to you is like trying to explain relativity to a two year old. Where did I even mention Trump? I never said they work or do not work for other nations, where are you getting this stuff? Maybe have someone read what I wrote and explain it to you. I believe someone with a high school education could do that.

Hey if you are of the opinion Tariffs are bad, then I am fine with that. I support as little tariffs as possible with few exceptions. That is what Mexico and Canada had before Trump blew it up. We have ALWAYS had tariffs on China and not because of their tariffs. We have used tariffs and quota to keep trade away from China. Doesnt make sense to do that with Canada and Mexico.

 

[Correll]

He said the answer was having fewer immigrants. I asked, then why tariffs if the answer was fewer immigrants? Honest question.

Is it really? You really are unable to grasp that we are workign towards the goal with more than ONE way of pushing?


LOL. Not credible.

 

[Maxdeath]

Hey if you are of the opinion Tariffs are bad, then I am fine with that. I support as little tariffs as possible with few exceptions. That is what Mexico and Canada had before Trump blew it up. We have ALWAYS had tariffs on China and not because of their tariffs. We have used tariffs and quota to keep trade away from China. Doesnt make sense to do that with Canada and Mexico.

I am fine with a level playing field. If one country wants to place a 30% tariff on goods then we put 30% on theirs. If they have no tariffs then we should not.
China has some of the highest tariffs on US goods.
Once again China steals intellectual property with no way for anyone not Chinese to claim redress. If they want a level playing field then they need to have an actual level playing field. Only problem is they can not do that.

 

[imawhosure]

Hey if you are of the opinion Tariffs are bad, then I am fine with that. I support as little tariffs as possible with few exceptions. That is what Mexico and Canada had before Trump blew it up. We have ALWAYS had tariffs on China and not because of their tariffs. We have used tariffs and quota to keep trade away from China. Doesnt make sense to do that with Canada and Mexico.

Is it really? You really are unable to grasp that we are workign towards the goal with more than ONE way of pushing?


LOL. Not credible.

I am going to respond to City, just to see if he actually wants to be an honest broker or not!

1. If tariffs and lowered taxes on goods made here bring back jobs.........does the government A. get a cash infusion or not?

2. Do most people think tariffs are the way to go? Probably not! But it is the best vehicle to use to get where we actually WANT to go!

3. Do deportation of illegals help the job market, if the job market is larger than the people available? NO! But what it does do is allow the government to have LEGAL immigrants come here that will then be streamlined towards the workforce we need, and they can be vetted before entry.

4. I can NOT speak for the Trump Administration, but I have an idea of what they are doing----------->trying to ISOLATE China from all other markets without a reasonable deal. To do this, he is going to ask the same question of other countries he asked before when dealing with Iran------------>you want access to America with little or no tariffs in a fair deal, or access to China who will not lower their tariffs unless we all stick together. Seems straight forward to me. Doesn't mean they will choose America, but with that choice, we will know where we stand.

5. Finally, EVERYONE should remember when we are talking about how we are dealing with China, that they----------->are the people making, and shipping Fentanyl to our country, and killing 100s of thousands of American, men, women, and children. In China if you are drug dealer, you get put to DEATH! And yet, the people who put their own drug dealers to death, become drug dealers themselves, and kill our citizens. Even IF the only thing that comes out of this is.............China stopping the production and export of fentanyl, that is a pretty good win; although I believe it will be better than that.....or at least I hope so.

 

[blackhawk]

I do support a higher minimum wage what I do not support is a ridiculously over the top higher minimum wage. The 15 to 20 dollar an hour stuff that gets thrown around is what I don’t go for raising it to somewhere between 8 and 10 dollars an hour I would.

 

[BrokeLoser]

He said the answer was having fewer immigrants. I asked, then why tariffs if the answer was fewer immigrants? Honest question.

You seem to believe there is some sort of a tie between tariffs and the presence of ‘immigrants’…We aren’t seeing the tie.

 

[Cellblock2429]

If conservatives really want to improve pay and improve jobs for the working class why not simply support a higher minimum wage for jobs Americans are ALREADY doing? Why not support union labor protection laws so that the workers can get better pay and benefits for jobs they are already doing?

If the plan is to tariff Americans (yes we pay tariffs) so that it makes us buy more expensive US made goods so that better jobs are available in the US (I guess sewing jeans and gluing shoe soles are better jobs) then why not simply drive better wages for jobs we are already doing?

I am not sure I understand the conservative position on business and workers. Can someone legitimately explain the objective of conservative policy without flame wars?

Republicans Like to Cut Taxes. With Tariffs, Trump Is Raising Them.

President Trump’s tariffs are scrambling the Republican plan for the economy, long centered on tax cuts and growth.

www.nytimes.com

/---/ Because all those things cause more problems than they solve. Labor costs are one reason our manufacturing base fled overseas. Did you notice fast food has kiosks and supermarkets have self-checkouts, while banks have ATMs?

 

[Correll]

You seem to believe there is some sort of a tie between tariffs and the presence of ‘immigrants’…We aren’t seeing the tie.

He's pretending that there is an either or between the policies when both are valid for their own reasons.

It is a really dumb argument, that is based on him pretending to be too dumb to see that.

 

[Unkotare]

If conservatives really want to improve pay and improve jobs for the working class why not simply support a higher minimum wage for jobs Americans are ALREADY doing? ...

Improve jobs by eliminating jobs? Brilliant.

 

[Unkotare]

... Why not support union labor protection laws s...

If you want to donate $$$ to democrat politicians, just go do it directly.

 

[whitehall]

Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a career move. Punishing successful small business owners by forcing them to pay more to menial workers is not the way to prosperity. It's a route to socialism.

 

[citygator]

Improve jobs by eliminating jobs? Brilliant.

So wage increases are bad. Got it. So why the tariffs?

 

[imawhosure]

/---/ Because all those things cause more problems than they solve. Labor costs are one reason our manufacturing base fled overseas. Did you notice fast food has kiosks and supermarkets have self-checkouts, while banks have ATMs?

Cell is correct, and the cherry on top-------------> USA didn't charge much in tariffs on the way back in, and if the company located to country like China or India which had high tariffs against the USA, they got access for free, meaning a win-win for them.

What, do so called USMB economists think it is an accident that virtually EVERY automaker wanted to/started to build an auto plant in Mexico?

Conservatives should use their heads, and look at it if you were an honest broker Leftist (do those people actually exist?)----------->Mexico has very little, if any enviro mandates, and yet, where these auto plants were going to be, is closer to the Southwest of America, than Illinois, or Indiana. And yet, now they are willing to look the other way, because of Trump! How hypocritical is that!

 

[Cellblock2429]

Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a career move. Punishing successful small business owners by forcing them to pay more to menial workers is not the way to prosperity. It's a route to socialism.

/----/ This is news to me:

elaws - Fair Labor Standards Act Advisor

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webapps.dol.gov

Wages for Youth​

The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the Federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. However, a special minimum wage of $4.25 per hour applies to young workers under the age of 20 during their first 90 consecutive days of employment with an employer.

Other programs allowing for payment of less than the full Federal minimum wage that may be applicable to young workers are: full-time students and student-learners employed pursuant to sub-minimum wage certificates. (Please note that these programs are not limited to the employment of workers under 18 years of age.)

 

[BrokeLoser]

If you really got rid of 50 million workers out of 170M workers you'd have no businesses. What are you really suggesting. I know it isnt getting rid of 50M of 170M workers. But what really are you looking to accomplish here?

The explosion of population at the bottom (illegals) creates a need for trades and professions to service them all across the employment spectrum. Think of all the educators, healthcare professionals needed for illegals, all the extra infrastructure to be built and for engineers to handle etc etc.
To adjust for the shortages of doctors / healthcare professionals engineers and the like, we import even more people through H-1B or similar….and get this…the illegals at the bottom aren’t funding the extra services…guess who is?
The real answer is to reduce the population by sending 50 million non-contributing trespassers home and all the foreigners servicing them. Remember, we have four Ohios worth of illegals here…how many educators, healthcare professionals, engineers and the like are needed to service one Ohio / 12 million people?

 

[Unkotare]

So wage increases are bad.

You have to have a wage for it to increase.

 

[citygator]

/---/ Because all those things cause more problems than they solve. Labor costs are one reason our manufacturing base fled overseas. Did you notice fast food has kiosks and supermarkets have self-checkouts, while banks have ATMs?

Ok. So labor costs haven’t gone down so why add tariffs to imports to try and bring manufacturing back to high wage US?

If you think labor is too high to raise minimum wage then you must think it’s too high to bring more jobs to the US which will drive labor costs slug high. Especially if you don’t want immigrant labor used.

 

[citygator]

You have to have a wage for it to increase.

Unemployment is at full employment levels. We don’t have a job shortage.. we have a wage shortage.

 

[22lcidw]

Then why the tariff nonsense if that is the answer? And what do you do with the 5 million unfilled jobs when more Americans are working than ever before?

Supposedly there are Americans working two jobs or more to make ends meet. Gutting government employment would also provide people to work the new employment created.

 

[citygator]

The explosion of population at the bottom (illegals) creates a need for trades and professions to service them all across the employment spectrum. Think of all the educators, healthcare professionals needed for illegals, all the extra infrastructure to be built and for engineers to handle etc etc.
To adjust for the shortages of doctors / healthcare professionals engineers and the like, we import even more people through H-1B or similar….and get this…the illegals at the bottom aren’t funding the extra services…guess who is?
The real answer is to reduce the population by sending 50 million non-contributing trespassers home and all the foreigners servicing them. Remember, we have four Ohios worth of illegals here…how many educators, healthcare professionals, engineers and the like are needed to service one Ohio / 12 million people?

What happens to GDP and wealth with 50 million less customers?