Zone1 Question for the Catholics: is This True?

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Why should I rely on Google when I can read what the Bible actually says?

I have a copy of the Bible in my home. I actually have two copies, but one of them is in Chinese, so that one doesn't help.

Same Catholic Bible I had when I was in that Catholic School.

Because google explains where you went wrong.

If you were right, google wouldn't have answered the question "was Mary's genealogy traced to Jesus?" with:

Yes, Mary's genealogy is traced to Jesus, primarily through the Gospel of Luke, which details Jesus's ancestry through his mother's line, linking him to David and back to Adam, even though Mary's name isn't explicitly listed in the text, following ancient conventions where women weren't typically named in male-focused genealogies. While Matthew gives Jesus's royal, legal lineage through Joseph, Luke provides the biological line through Mary, emphasizing Jesus as the universal savior, fulfilling prophecies.

 

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Because she is the new Ark of the Covenant. She is a sacred vessel.

Mary is called the Ark of the Covenant because, like the Old Testament Ark holding God's presence, she physically carried God Incarnate (Jesus) within her womb, fulfilling prophecy and becoming the dwelling place for the Word of God, the true "Bread from Heaven," and the new covenant itself, with Scriptural parallels linking her visitation with Elizabeth to David's encounter with the Ark.
Symbolic Connections:

• Dwelling Place of God: The Ark of the Covenant housed God's presence (the Shekinah glory cloud) for the Israelites; Mary housed God's presence in the flesh (Jesus).
• Bearing God's Word: The Ark contained the stone tablets of the Law (God's Word); Mary bore the living Word of God, Jesus.
• New Covenant: Just as the Ark represented the Old Covenant, Mary embodies the New Covenant through Jesus, the mediator of that new promise (Hebrews 9:15).
• Manna & Ephod: The Ark held manna (bread from heaven) and Aaron's staff; Mary bore Jesus, the true Bread of Life, and Elizabeth's son, John the Baptist (a priest), leaped in her womb, mirroring David's priestly joy before the Ark.
• Shared History: Luke's Gospel parallels Mary's visit to Elizabeth (staying three months in the hill country) with the Ark staying at Obed-edom's house for three months.

Biblical Basis:

• Luke's Gospel: The Gospel of Luke intentionally uses Old Testament language and imagery (e.g., the "over-shadowing" by the Holy Spirit, the leaping of the child in the womb) to present Mary as the new Ark.
• Church Fathers: Early Christian writers strongly supported this "typology," seeing Mary as a foreshadowing of the Ark, a concept rooted in scripture.

In essence, Mary becomes the sacred vessel, the true Ark, where God's presence, word, and covenant are made real and accessible in the person of Jesus Christ.

She was while pg with Jesus, sure. After that, there was no need for her to be the Ark. It was accomplished

 

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She was while pg with Jesus, sure. After that, there was no need for her to be the Ark. It was accomplished

In Christian tradition, Mary remained holy (a perpetual virgin) after Jesus' birth because it signified her unique, total consecration to God as the vessel for the Incarnation, a divine choice reflecting her role as the new Ark of the Covenant, though she still fulfilled Jewish purification laws (like Leviticus 12) for Jesus' sake as a devout Jew, not out of personal sinfulness, marking her as "full of grace".

Key Reasons for Perpetual Virginity:

• Divine Will & Consecration: Her virginity symbolized her complete dedication to God, a state sanctified by Christ's birth.
• Fulfillment of Prophecy: It fulfilled Isaiah 7:14 ("a virgin shall conceive") and emphasized Jesus' unique divine-human nature, as Joseph wasn't his physical father.
• Symbolism of the Ark of the Covenant: Mary's womb became the dwelling place for God, much like the Ark held God's presence, requiring her unique sanctity.
• Theological Doctrine: Established by early Church councils, it's a core teaching (Aeiparthenos or "Ever-Virgin") in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, also supported by some Reformers like Luther and Calvin.

Regarding Purification Laws:

• Fulfilling the Law: Mary observed the Levitical purification rites (Luke 2:22) out of obedience to Jewish law, demonstrating her piety, not impurity.
• "Impurity" as Ceremonial: Her post-birth state was a ceremonial status for the mother of a male child, requiring ritual cleansing, but didn't mean she was sinful or impure in a moral sense, as she was "full of grace" from her Immaculate Conception.

In essence, Mary's holiness wasn't a passive state but an active, lifelong consecration affirmed by the miracle of the Virgin Birth and observed through acts of faith like the purification ceremony.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Mary is a member of the Body of Christ. Asking a member of the Body of Christ to join you in a prayer is where two or three are gathered in his name.

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Very well said.

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[Zebra]

So I presume, then, that you have to click on the guy's video to see what the topic is about? To find out why you want to discuss whatever it is in the video and why you think that whatever is in the video is important to discuss?

Yeah, no, I, for one, will pass on that brand of Mickey Mousery.

A lot of you guys really suck at starting threads.

Well said!

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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I'd like to know why those who think Catholics are wrong, cannot just let Catholics be wrong, and mind their own collection baskets?

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[Zebra]

The pope did NOT say to stop asking Mary for Intercession. Nobody ever claimed Mary was equal to or above Jesus. No Catholic claims to be worshipping Mary. This is a claim Protestants have made which is untrue.

So it is

Some wil never understand …..

 

[Zebra]

In Germany we have some most beautiful hyms for Mary.
If there are also English ones, can somebody post some?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

In Germany we have some most beautiful hyms for Mary.
If there are also English ones, can somebody post some?

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Well, we love Schubert's "Ave Maria" most of all, I think. I like it most in Latin, although I'm sure someone sings it in English.



The first ever "Catholic moment" I experienced was when my wonderful husband sang this for Communion at his niece's wedding, from the choir loft of a beautiful old brick church. I didn't understand a word, and I was still about three decades from becoming a Catholic, but was overwhelmed with the beauty and grace of it. It brought tears.

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In Christian tradition, Mary remained holy (a perpetual virgin) after Jesus' birth because it signified her unique, total consecration to God as the vessel for the Incarnation, a divine choice reflecting her role as the new Ark of the Covenant, though she still fulfilled Jewish purification laws (like Leviticus 12) for Jesus' sake as a devout Jew, not out of personal sinfulness, marking her as "full of grace".

Key Reasons for Perpetual Virginity:

• Divine Will & Consecration: Her virginity symbolized her complete dedication to God, a state sanctified by Christ's birth.
• Fulfillment of Prophecy: It fulfilled Isaiah 7:14 ("a virgin shall conceive") and emphasized Jesus' unique divine-human nature, as Joseph wasn't his physical father.
• Symbolism of the Ark of the Covenant: Mary's womb became the dwelling place for God, much like the Ark held God's presence, requiring her unique sanctity.
• Theological Doctrine: Established by early Church councils, it's a core teaching (Aeiparthenos or "Ever-Virgin") in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, also supported by some Reformers like Luther and Calvin.

Regarding Purification Laws:

• Fulfilling the Law: Mary observed the Levitical purification rites (Luke 2:22) out of obedience to Jewish law, demonstrating her piety, not impurity.
• "Impurity" as Ceremonial: Her post-birth state was a ceremonial status for the mother of a male child, requiring ritual cleansing, but didn't mean she was sinful or impure in a moral sense, as she was "full of grace" from her Immaculate Conception.

In essence, Mary's holiness wasn't a passive state but an active, lifelong consecration affirmed by the miracle of the Virgin Birth and observed through acts of faith like the purification ceremony.

But Jesus had 4 older brothers. I guess that Mary's hymen growing back must've certainly been a miracle.

 

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But Jesus had 4 older brothers. I guess that Mary's hymen growing back must've certainly been a miracle.

A common convention of the day. Like Asians calling older women "auntie" or older men "father." If Jesus had brothers, he wouldn't have arranged for John his disciple to care for his mother after his death (see John 19:26-27). Under Jewish law it would have been the legal responsibility of her other sons. But she didn't have any. Which is why Jesus did what he did in John 19:26-27.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

A common convention of the day. Like Asians calling older women "auntie" or older men "father." If Jesus had brothers, he wouldn't have arranged for John his disciple to care for his mother after his death (see John 19:26-27). Under Jewish law it would have been the legal responsibility of her other sons. But she didn't have any. Which is why Jesus did what he did in John 19:26-27.

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When I meet young "Native American" men, they often call me "Grandma".

I've never hand children, and so it follows that I've never had grandchildren.

So many folks just don't understand language if it's used differently than what they speak.

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When I meet young "Native American" men, they often call me "Grandma".

I've never hand children, and so it follows that I've never had grandchildren.

So many folks just don't understand language if it's used differently than what they speak.

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Exactly.

 

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A common convention of the day. Like Asians calling older women "auntie" or older men "father." If Jesus had brothers, he wouldn't have arranged for John his disciple to care for his mother after his death (see John 19:26-27). Under Jewish law it would have been the legal responsibility of her other sons. But she didn't have any. Which is why Jesus did what he did in John 19:26-27.

Say what makes you feel good, but Jesus was one of eleven children. And his name was Joshua.

 

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Say what makes you feel good, but Jesus was one of eleven children. And his name was Joshua.

Like I said if that were the case he would not have placed his mother under the care of his disciple John. See John 19:26-27.

 

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Like I said if that were the case he would not have placed his mother under the care of his disciple John. See John 19:26-27.

Why not. He considered John to be the right guy. His brothers probably weren't up to the task.
And why not his stepfather Joseph?

 

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Why not. He considered John to be the right guy. His brothers probably weren't up to the task.

Because Jewish law dictated what should be done. It's the son's responsibility.

 

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And why not his stepfather Joseph?

Joseph wasn't responsible for Mary after Jesus' death because he had likely passed away years earlier, a common understanding based on his absence from later Gospel accounts, and Jesus entrusted Mary's care directly to the Apostle John

 

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His brothers probably weren't up to the task.

The Protoevangelium of James (or Gospel of James) is the earliest text that explicitly states Mary remained a lifelong virgin, explaining this by portraying Joseph as an elderly widower who took her in as a guardian, and presenting Jesus' "brothers" as Joseph's children from a previous marriage, thus establishing the foundation for the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity.

Perpetual virginity of Mary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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The Protoevangelium of James (or Gospel of James) is the earliest text that explicitly states Mary remained a lifelong virgin, explaining this by portraying Joseph as an elderly widower who took her in as a guardian, and presenting Jesus' "brothers" as Joseph's children from a previous marriage, thus establishing the foundation for the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity.

Perpetual virginity of Mary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jesus had a twin brother named Thomas. Conspiracy theorists say that Thomas was the one crucified. I don't believe that, just throwing it out there.