Question For Lefties, What Is Abortion?

[ChristisKing]

Not a convincing argument. Less than 1% of abortions occur after 21 weeks.

At 34 weeks they can just perform a C-section if there's a problem.

 

[MarcATL]

An abortion is a personal decision a woman is burdened to make that's determined between her doctor and her Maker.

If you don't believe in having abortions, don't have them.

Simple.

 

[kyzina]

An abortion is a personal decision a woman is burdened to make that's determined between her doctor and her Maker.

If you don't believe in having abortions, don't have them.

Simple.

If you don't believe in burglars ripping you off, then don't own stuff. Simple.

 

[pal]

Did you forget, again?

Leftist eats bananas.

 

[Cougarbear]

Testy Protestant Failing the Consistency Test

According to your preaching, birth control is playing God, since only He can determine whether intercourse leads to conception.

Don't know where you get this from. My preaching does not say birth control is playing God. And, God does not determine whether intercourse leads to conception. We have been given the power to procreate. With that, we also have the responsibility to make that happen to replenish the earth. God does not have that responsibility.
There is certainly more to conception. Because having sex does not mean conception will always take place. There are other consideration that are biological like if the man has enough sperm to lead to conception. Or, are there eggs of the woman available for various reasons. None are the fault of the humans.

 

[MarcATL]

If you don't believe in burglars ripping you off, then don't own stuff. Simple.

You're a real genie ass.

 

[Chuz Life]

Bible-Bangers Nostalgia for the Spanish Inquisition's Thrill-Killers

If only Jesus had been aborted. We wouldn't be inflicted with such nasty drooling screechers like today's Christofascists. But Jesus was that way himself, always condemning this and that and girlyman nagging Peter about every little thing.

Were you conceived?

 

[Chuz Life]

Your Mirror Reflects Back to You

Is that all you got? Pretending that those freaks are any different from you freaks? You're all on the same degenerate side.

So, the definition of a woman is. . .

 

[Chuz Life]

Does your pro-life stance apply to those already born? Are you against:

• capital punishment
• war
• euthanasia
• pulling the plug on brain-dead, comatose patients

1. I'm Anti-Abortion, not "pro-life." I don't hold that all life is sacred, a gift from God, or anything along those metaphysical lines.

2. Constitutional "Capital Punishment" recognizes the right to life, even for the criminal facing execution. That's why the Constitution uses the wording "deprived" instead of "deny." Two completely different meanings.

3. In my opinion, War is only justified when it is from a standpoint of "defense." War, in my opinion, is an extension of one person's right to defend themselves against an attacker.

4. I do not think euthanasia or suicide should be legal. There are things we can only learn by caring for people who are even arguably at the end of their lives.

5. I have had to face "pulling the plug" more than once in my own family, and it's not nearly as simple as anyone thinks. The end argument, and anyone who wants to can correct me if they think I'm wrong. . . the "right to life" does not automatically entitle anyone to an unreasonable right to be "kept alive" by others.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Church Bells Ringing, Kaching! Kaching!

You ought to let that baby preach at your church. He's bound to increase the take from the collection plate.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Don't know where you get this from. My preaching does not say birth control is playing God. And, God does not determine whether intercourse leads to conception. We have been given the power to procreate. With that, we also have the responsibility to make that happen to replenish the earth. God does not have that responsibility.
There is certainly more to conception. Because having sex does not mean conception will always take place. There are other consideration that are biological like if the man has enough sperm to lead to conception. Or, are there eggs of the woman available for various reasons. None are the fault of the humans.

A Worm in the Nile Will Squirm in Denial

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If you don't believe in burglars ripping you off, then don't own stuff. Simple.

Don't own the world, even when your God tells you you should

 

[alang1216]

1. I'm Anti-Abortion, not "pro-life." I don't hold that all life is sacred, a gift from God, or anything along those metaphysical lines.

2. Constitutional "Capital Punishment" recognizes the right to life, even for the criminal facing execution. That's why the Constitution uses the wording "deprived" instead of "deny." Two completely different meanings.

3. In my opinion, War is only justified when it is from a standpoint of "defense." War, in my opinion, is an extension of one person's right to defend themselves against an attacker.

4. I do not think euthanasia or suicide should be legal. There are things we can only learn by caring for people who are even arguably at the end of their lives.

5. I have had to face "pulling the plug" more than once in my own family, and it's not nearly as simple as anyone thinks. The end argument, and anyone who wants to can correct me if they think I'm wrong. . . the "right to life" does not automatically entitle anyone to an unreasonable right to be "kept alive" by others.

So killing a human being is sometimes justified, depending on the circumstances. You also believe the "right to life" does not automatically entitle anyone to an unreasonable right to be "kept alive" by others (e.g., a mother).

All things I agree with. So why do you see abortion as something different? To me it is just another example of something that is undesirable but, in some situations, better than the alternative.

 

[MarcATL]

1. I'm Anti-Abortion, not "pro-life." I don't hold that all life is sacred, a gift from God, or anything along those metaphysical lines.

2. Constitutional "Capital Punishment" recognizes the right to life, even for the criminal facing execution. That's why the Constitution uses the wording "deprived" instead of "deny." Two completely different meanings.

3. In my opinion, War is only justified when it is from a standpoint of "defense." War, in my opinion, is an extension of one person's right to defend themselves against an attacker.

4. I do not think euthanasia or suicide should be legal. There are things we can only learn by caring for people who are even arguably at the end of their lives.

5. I have had to face "pulling the plug" more than once in my own family, and it's not nearly as simple as anyone thinks. The end argument, and anyone who wants to can correct me if they think I'm wrong. . . the "right to life" does not automatically entitle anyone to an unreasonable right to be "kept alive" by others.

You're beliefs are not consistent and all over the place.

You have the right to be that way, but not the right to impose that belief everyone else.

 

[Chuz Life]

So killing a human being is sometimes justified, depending on the circumstances.

Yes.

I bolded key words for emphasis.

You also believe the "right to life" does not automatically entitle anyone to an unreasonable right to be "kept alive" by others (e.g., a mother).

I know where this is going, and I knew it would when I posted my views.

All things I agree with.

That's great.

Thanks for letting me know.

So why do you see abortion as something different? To me it is just another example of something that is undesirable but, in some situations, better than the alternative.

We are not that far apart, then. We simply disagree on what the justifications are or about what they should be.

I'm sure we both agree that an abortion (desired or not) might be justified in a case where doctors deem it necessary to save the woman's life.

So, what about the other situations?

Rape (by incest or any other?)

Gender?

Because an affair might be exposed?

Convenience?

My logic follows/ parallels the reasoning and justifications for self-defense.

You can't lure or trap someone into a situation against yourself, decide you regret doing so, and then kill the other person. . . and claim it was self-defense.

No use of excessive force.

etc.

 

[alang1216]

We are not that far apart, then. We simply disagree on what the justifications are or about what they should be.

I'm sure we both agree that an abortion (desired or not) might be justified in a case where doctors deem it necessary to save the woman's life.

Agree and agree.

So, what about the other situations?

You see the fertilized egg as no different from a child while I do. As such, the justifications are different based on the fetal development. It is hard to draw arbitrary lines but I am good with abortions in the first few weeks being solely up to the mother. Abortions in the last few weeks are solely to save the life of the mother or similar extreme medical conditions. The line in between I'm flexible on.

 

[Chuz Life]

Agree and agree.


You see the fertilized egg as no different from a child while I do. As such, the justifications are different based on the fetal development. It is hard to draw arbitrary lines but I am good with abortions in the first few weeks being solely up to the mother. Abortions in the last few weeks are solely to save the life of the mother or similar extreme medical conditions. The line in between, I'm flexible on.

Again, not that far apart.

Except for what I can see, we probably don't agree about the ideas/ principles that are established in the Constitution. That might be where we are the furthest apart.

I'm not going to repeat my arguments again in anticipation. If you want specifics, ask away.

It appears we may disagree on some of the biology and basic human rights, as well.

These are not small things to contemplate.

 

[Cougarbear]

A Worm in the Nile Will Squirm in Denial

The question was fully answered. The only one squirming is you.

 

[otto105]

Conservatives get your popcorn ready. As this should be interesting.

Not your choice.

 

[otto105]

You don't think that a baby inside the womb is alive?

Does a zygote have more rights than the girl/woman.