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there is no hell--so no one has to worry about thatWe don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.
A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.
That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000
If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.
If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.
So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"
John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,
Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.
Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?
Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?
JAG
That's good because it's not my job...when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is
you can't--hahahahhahahahahhThat's good because it's not my job...when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is
hahahahahhahaha
you can't make me--hahahahahhahahayou can't--hahahahhahahahahhThat's good because it's not my job...when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is
hahahahahhahaha
I have a different definition for 'cult' but I don't think we disagree on substance.Who are cultists.They're not cultists, they're people.
They believe this idea of ALL babies ever born. Anywhere. So none of what you listed is a good comparison.
If you believe there are no such things as innocent babies because your celestial dictator says so... Yes, you are a cultist.
Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.That's quite a simple worldview you have there.Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.
No one has to worry about hell but many people do. It gets bad when they become too concerned with other people going to hell.there is no hell--so no one has to worry about thatWe don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.
A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.
That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000
If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.
If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.
So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"
John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,
Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.
Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?
Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?
JAG
hahahahahhahaha
You think you understand what that scripture means, how do you know?Still not getting YOUR point. I understand what that scripture means. I don't understand what YOU mean.
What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?
I believe it's a little more complicated than that.Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.That's quite a simple worldview you have there.Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.
I'm sure you do. Doesn't mean you're right though.I believe it's a little more complicated than that.Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.That's quite a simple worldview you have there.Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.
I think I approach Scripture from a less biased position than you. So relative to you, yes.You think you understand what that scripture means, how do you know?Still not getting YOUR point. I understand what that scripture means. I don't understand what YOU mean.
What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?
People have been lying to me my whole life. They've also been lying to themselves their whole lives. People who believe in lies are dangerous to me and my family.
It does if you don't believe in stereotyping.I'm sure you do. Doesn't mean you're right though.I believe it's a little more complicated than that.Thank you. It's not easy to cut through the fat to get to the bone.That's quite a simple worldview you have there.Any group that 'knows' they are morally superior or have God on their side, have the right to eliminate anything or anyone in their way. For the greater good, of course.
How do you know what his definition is?I have a different definition for 'cult' but I don't think we disagree on substance.Who are cultists.They're not cultists, they're people.
They believe this idea of ALL babies ever born. Anywhere. So none of what you listed is a good comparison.
If you believe there are no such things as innocent babies because your celestial dictator says so... Yes, you are a cultist.
you must believe that everyone is going to be punished because everyone dies.
Yep. Punished for living but not judged.
What’s the difference? Dead is dead.
The rain (and death) fall on the just and unjust alike.
What's the difference to YOU for everyone being punished but not judged?
For you there is no difference. You don't believe anyone gets judged. It shouldn't matter to you what others believe. No one is forcing you to believe that. So maybe it's you that has a problem accepting that not everyone believes the same as you.People have been lying to me my whole life. They've also been lying to themselves their whole lives. People who believe in lies are dangerous to me and my family.
Have you ever read the story in Genesis 19 of Sodom and Gomorrah?GOD doesn't punish innocent people? You think that in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah there were no babies or children?This is the very same GOD who knows all about everything and even all about you. When Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain were to be annihilated, Abraham had a conversation with GOD in which he got GOD to promise that HE would not destroy those cites if there were at least 10 righteous people living somewhere in that mess. Guess what, there were not and so HE did. The fact is ----- if all the righteous people today were to die off, the rest of the population would be in deep deep trouble, because GOD knows. GOD doesn't punish innocent people. For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. A righteous person isn't without sin; however, the righteous person has faith in GOD and not himself or his possessions and abilities. It's called being humble. There are not many people like that today, most have far too much garbage on their mind to care...Is this the same God who wiped out just about every man, women, child, and animal in a flood? The God to order Israelites to invade foreign countries, commit genocide, and make slaves of their enemies? The God that punishes the innocent?There is no morality without GOD, only personal opinion and desire. Plus, the highest suicide rate is (a mental barometer) shamefully among those with no religious affiliation ------ that would be atheists and agnostics...By not being able to immediately think of about 100 answers, you expose your own mental and moral problems. Not anyone else's.So, if you die and life ends and there is no eternity, why would anyone care?
Everyone dies because everyone sins on account of ADAM/EVE. Only the MESSIAH/CHRIST gave up HIS life to save those which are lost. HE was without sin. You should not make judgments based upon your personal opinion and not biblically founded." Found in Matthew 5:22 ------- And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.Then you must believe that everyone is going to be punished because everyone dies.Someone wrote these accounts that have made it into scripture. Historical or not they represent the morality of the Bible.Is death a punishment?GOD doesn't punish innocent people? You think that in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah there were no babies or children?This is the very same GOD who knows all about everything and even all about you. When Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain were to be annihilated, Abraham had a conversation with GOD in which he got GOD to promise that HE would not destroy those cites if there were at least 10 righteous people living somewhere in that mess. Guess what, there were not and so HE did. The fact is ----- if all the righteous people today were to die off, the rest of the population would be in deep deep trouble, because GOD knows. GOD doesn't punish innocent people. For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD. A righteous person isn't without sin; however, the righteous person has faith in GOD and not himself or his possessions and abilities. It's called being humble. There are not many people like that today, most have far too much garbage on their mind to care...Is this the same God who wiped out just about every man, women, child, and animal in a flood? The God to order Israelites to invade foreign countries, commit genocide, and make slaves of their enemies? The God that punishes the innocent?There is no morality without GOD, only personal opinion and desire. Plus, the highest suicide rate is (a mental barometer) shamefully among those with no religious affiliation ------ that would be atheists and agnostics...By not being able to immediately think of about 100 answers, you expose your own mental and moral problems. Not anyone else's.So, if you die and life ends and there is no eternity, why would anyone care?
Why do you read these accounts literally?
And yes, I consider death a punishment and I believe the Bible does too. You don't stone an adulterer to death as a reward.
You read the bible to confirm your bias. That's reality. So you and I will likely never agree on what the meaning of passages are because you read the Bible like a jackass.
How do you know? Who informed you? What will be the ramifications if you are wrong?there is no hell--so no one has to worry about thatWe don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.
A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.
That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000
If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.
If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.
So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"
John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,
Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.
Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?
Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?
JAG
hahahahahhahaha
What if you are wrong? What if you will suffer, because you believe in the wrong god?How do you know? Who informed you? What will be the ramifications if you are wrong?there is no hell--so no one has to worry about thatWe don't think it's an option for anyone. The flip side is we don't have to worry about going to hell either.JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.
A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.
That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000
If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.
If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.
So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"
John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,
Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.
Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?
Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?
JAG
hahahahahhahaha
How do you know? Who told you? What are the ramifications if you are wrong?..when we die--that's IT--over!!
there is no god and you can't prove there is