Zone1 Hypothetical: If Your Spouse Murdered you, Would you want Him or Her to get Away with it?

I see. So in your hypothetical you deserved to be killed? Morality has been used to justify all sorts of bad things. Most of the time incorrectly.

At what point when isn't it right to become what one hates?
Not that I deserved to be killed. But that it would not have been all one-sided.

Even if it were, though, I would want Mrs. F. to get away with it. Because why compound the misery of my death by adding the misery of her going to prison?

Morality has nothing to do with my position on this issue.
 
Not that I deserved to be killed. But that it would not have been all one-sided. Even if it were, though, I would want Mrs. F. to get away with it. Because why compound the misery of my death by adding the misery of her going to prison? Morality has nothing to do with my position on this issue.
It does if you want your wife to get away with murder. I believe our biggest problem in society is a lack of accountability.
 
It does if you want your wife to get away with murder. I believe our biggest problem in society is a lack of accountability.
So I, one man, am going to fix our accountability problem by rooting for my wife to get caught and imprisoned when so many far worse people are being deliberately let go because of political convenience?

How large an effect on the accountability problem would it have if she were caught and punished?
 
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If she put me out of my misery due to illness and they charged her with murder I'd hope she would get away with it.

Otherwise I doubt if I would be in any position to care.

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No. Of course not. Any woman doing harm to a Man needs to be severely punished.
 
Obviously, you won't know it if it happens, unless you believe in an afterlife in which you monitor the goings on of the living.

But knowing that it is highly unlikely that you would be killed by your spouse, if you had a chance to make the decision right now, for a one in a billion event, what would that decision be? They they get caught and go to prison, or that they get off scott free, or some other outcome?

Me, I would absolutely want Mrs. Flops to get away with it without being suspected, collect the insurance and the "inheritance" (mainly community property anyway) and go on with life. She'll be well fixed financially, no matter how I go, so more power to her.

We've had 37 great years together, so why would I hold one bad action against her? I would assume if she ever does it, I will have screwed up and given her a reason. But even if she was just secretly tired of me and decided a murder was less messy than a divorce, nothing would be gained by her spending the rest of her life in the slammer.

I have been studying near death experience accounts since 1990 and they have left me with the impression that nobody gets away with anything?

The Life Review of NDE accounts includes something like a "Vulcan Mind Meld" with anybody that we either did something really good for.... or really bad to..... both!

[Howard Storm]

4. The Life Review of Howard Storm​

Next, they wanted to talk about my life. To my surprise my life played out before me, maybe six or eight feet in front of me, from beginning to end.

The life review was very much in their control, and they showed me my life, but not from my point of view. I saw me in my life and this whole thing was a lesson, even though I didn’t know it at the time. They were trying to teach me something, but I didn’t know it was a teaching experience, because I didn’t know that I would be coming back. We just watched my life from beginning to the end. Some things they slowed down on, and zoomed in on and other things they went right through.

My life was shown in a way that I had never thought of before. All of the things that I had worked to achieve, the recognition that I had worked for, in elementary school, in high school, in college, and in my career, they meant nothing in this setting.

I could feel their feelings of sorrow and suffering, or joy, as my life’s review unfolded. They didn’t say that something was bad or good, but I could feel it. And I could sense all those things they were indifferent to. They didn’t, for example, look down on my high school shot-put record. They just didn’t feel anything towards it, nor towards other things which I had taken so much pride in.

What they responded to was how I had interacted with other people. That was the long and short of it. Unfortunately, most of my interactions with other people didn’t measure up with how I should have interacted, which was in a loving way. Whenever I did react during my life in a loving way they rejoiced.

Most of the time I found that my interactions with other people had been manipulative. During my professional career, for example, I saw myself sitting in my office, playing the college professor, while a student came to me with a personal problem. I sat there looking compassionate, and patient, and loving, while inside I was bored to death. I would check my watch under my desk as I anxiously waited for the student to finish.

I got to go through all those kinds of experiences in the company of these magnificent beings.



 

If Your Spouse Murdered you, Would you want Him or Her to get Away with it?​

Irrelevant .
The act is fixed -- see Akashik record in simple terms -- although Karma can be influenced in the future Event Stream.
However , I am unaware of further details, or what overall force is required to change Karma and by what amount .

Interesting perspective as it affects the notions of Fate and Free Will .
 
Even if it were, though, I would want Mrs. F. to get away with it. Because why compound the misery of my death by adding the misery of her going to prison?
By any chance is there an underlying issue here...such as prison reform? Another possibility: For you, life has no intrinsic or sacred value? If you are in favor of your wife getting away with murder, then it follows you are in favor of others getting away with murder.

It troubles me that the Catholic Church favors (and vocally so) of doing away with the death penalty. It tells me the Church favors/values the life of the killer over the life of the one murdered. Instead of, "If one murders, they pay with their own life" to "If one murders, society will pay by taking care of him/her--even medical needs--for the entirety of their own life." On the other hand, what choice does the Church have as the Church is definitely not in favor of killing mothers who abort their children or of the doctors performing the abortion. The bottom lines? Everyone lives except the murdered, and life is not all that valuable or sacred.
 
Obviously, you won't know it if it happens, unless you believe in an afterlife in which you monitor the goings on of the living.

But knowing that it is highly unlikely that you would be killed by your spouse, if you had a chance to make the decision right now, for a one in a billion event, what would that decision be? They they get caught and go to prison, or that they get off scott free, or some other outcome?

Me, I would absolutely want Mrs. Flops to get away with it without being suspected, collect the insurance and the "inheritance" (mainly community property anyway) and go on with life. She'll be well fixed financially, no matter how I go, so more power to her.

We've had 37 great years together, so why would I hold one bad action against her? I would assume if she ever does it, I will have screwed up and given her a reason. But even if she was just secretly tired of me and decided a murder was less messy than a divorce, nothing would be gained by her spending the rest of her life in the slammer.

No.

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So I, one man, am going to fix our accountability problem by rooting for my wife to get caught and imprisoned when so many far worse people are being deliberately let go because of political convenience?

How large an effect on the accountability problem would it have if she were caught and punished?
No. You can only control what you control. If everyone became accountable overnight the world would change overnight. What you are doing with your hypothetical situation is encouraging accountability. So I would hope the Misses would get caught and judged. Hopefully the judge would show some mercy and justice.
 
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By any chance is there an underlying issue here...such as prison reform?

It troubles me that the Catholic Church favors (and vocally so) of doing away with the death penalty. It tells me the Church favors/values the life of the killer over the life of the one murdered. Instead of, "If one murders, they pay with their own life" to "If one murders, society will pay by taking care of him/her--even medical needs--for the entirety of their own life." On the other hand, what choice does the Church have as the Church is definitely not in favor of killing mothers who abort their children or of the doctors performing the abortion. The bottom lines? Everyone lives except the murdered, and life is not all that valuable or sacred.
Everyone of us is sitting here thinking, "Don't ask him! Don't ask him!" but you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker!
No, this thread has nothing to do with prison reform. I was not waiting for an opening to talk about it. If I did want to talk about prison reform, I would have started a thread on that.

I do believe that our prisons should be more humane, and better run, but that isn't what the thread is about. I wouldn't want our prisons to be as soft as they are in Sweden, co-ed hotels that you just cannot check out of. But that is not at all why I started the tread. I almost never talk about prison reform, because the kind of people in prison are not ones I care to champion.

Another possibility: For you, life has no intrinsic or sacred value? If you are in favor of your wife getting away with murder, then it follows you are in favor of others getting away with murder.
Nope. I do believe that life has sacred and intrinsic value and I am not at all in favor of people getting away with murder. Just my own wife and other family members.
 
No. You can only control what you control. If everyone became accountable overnight the world would change overnight. What you are doing with your hypothetical situation is encouraging accountability. So I would hope the Misses would get caught and judged. Hopefully the judge would show some mercy and justice.
But life isn't fair, so "justice" is an illusion. I would wish for society to make the sacrifice of one more murderer who gets away with it.
 
But life isn't fair, so "justice" is an illusion.
Not exactly. Perfect justice is an illusion in a fallen world. But yes, life is unfair and one of the things that is unfair is when lack of justice occurs. So one should expect to have to make sacrifices.
I would wish for society to make the sacrifice of one more murderer who gets away with it.
Ok, you have free will to do so. I prefer accountability.
 
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