Zone1 Question For Catholics

[Donald H]

No idea what you are trying to say. But since you keep changing what you say, does it really matter?

Then allow me to explain. First with the meaning of 'allegory'. Which you introduced into the discussion about 2 weeks ago.

pluralallegories
Synonyms of allegory
1
: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence
a writer known for his use of allegory

also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression
The poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.


2
: a symbolic representation : emblem sense 2

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Now it has to be easier for you to see the distinction between allegory and 'literal truth'.

We still need an example of the literal truth in your bibles!

 

[ding]

Then allow me to explain. First with the meaning of 'allegory'. Which you introduced into the discussion about 2 weeks ago.

pluralallegories
Synonyms of allegory
1
: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence
a writer known for his use of allegory

also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression
The poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.


2
: a symbolic representation : emblem sense 2

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Now it has to be easier for you to see the distinction between allegory and 'literal truth'.

We still need an example of the literal truth in your bibles!

tl/dr

 

[Donald H]

tl/dr

It's your choice to take part in the discussion, or not my friend.

 

[Donald H]

That’s not what you said. You can’t provide an example for what you said. So rather than admitting that, you changed it.

I said #260: Yes, it would be if I refused to accept the allegorical message.

 

[Donald H]

Once again my friend, we have reached agreement on the bibles being nothing but allegory.

Or I should say to be exactly correct, 'nothing that is important enough for you to mention as being the literal truth'!

 

[ding]

It's your choice to take part in the discussion, or not my friend.

We aren’t friends. You’re a troll.

 

[ding]

Once again my friend, we have reached agreement on the bibles being nothing but allegory.

Or I should say to be exactly correct, 'nothing that is important enough for you to mention as being the literal truth'!

No. We haven’t reached agreement.

 

[ding]

I said #260: Yes, it would be if I refused to accept the allegorical m

Go back to post #214.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm looking for facts and/or I'm looking for allegory. You deny me and all the other Christians the distinctions.

.... we have reached agreement on the bibles being nothing but allegory.

Or I should say to be exactly correct, 'nothing that is important enough for you to mention as being the literal truth'!

You have no understanding why we can't have a discussion. Allegories are used to convey complex truths. You want "facts", and usually the reason you want "facts" is to disprove them. You want to discuss aspects of physical existence, and are clueless when it comes to our spiritual existence.

We live in a physical world, this world is formed by people coming to human conclusions and decisions based on what they deem works best for their physical life in their human condition. Slavery was widespread among the nations and sometimes because it was the better alternative. We are not talking about modern nineteenth century slavery. You didn't even bother with the language and etymology and research done about a slave having to live for two days. The Biblical guidance was that if a slave was whipped, the whipping must be only to the extent that one could recover quickly, not a whipping that took a long term recovery or resulted in death.

I'm not defending slavery; I am very thankful I didn't live in those times and conditions. There were also times back then, where there were worse existences than slavery. One could be sold into slavery where they became part of the family. One could also draw the short end of the stick where their fate fell into the hands of cruel people. In Judaism, most slavery had ended by the time of Jesus because of Jewish teachings about loving one's neighbor and loving strangers and sojourners as well. Again, spiritual growth that you disregard. You also admitted you didn't see any lesson/truth of any value in the story of Noah's Ark.

All of this is why a discussion simply isn't possible between us. With no belief in God, and with no belief that humans are made up of both body and spirit, it's not possible.

 

[Donald H]

You have no understanding why we can't have a discussion. Allegories are used to convey complex truths. You want "facts", and usually the reason you want "facts" is to disprove them. You want to discuss aspects of physical existence, and are clueless when it comes to our spiritual existence.

Are you suggesting that I can't understand complex truths? I want to discuss both your spiritual existence, as well as your physical. I'm doing that at every opportunity I get, and I'm doing it politely without resorting to insults or making light of it. That's something different than the usual on this forum and I think you should try to adjust to it.

We live in a physical world, this world is formed by people coming to human conclusions and decisions based on what they deem works best for their physical life in their human condition.

Ideally yes, but not the practice exclusively. Some lie to themselves on what is true and what must be understood as allegorical. For instance: We together have come to accept some bible stories as obviously not true, while most others taking possible content that the 'impossible' and most ludicrous stories are true. Maybe together we are adding to their enlightenment?

Slavery was widespread among the nations and sometimes because it was the better alternative.

Better alternative than what?

We are not talking about modern nineteenth century slavery. You didn't even bother with the language and etymology and research done about a slave having to live for two days.

I didn't do much more than post a couple of sentences from Genesis. And fwiw, it wasn't posted to you. I told you before that that we shouldn't get into slavery between us.

The Biblical guidance was that if a slave was whipped, the whipping must be only to the extent that one could recover quickly, not a whipping that took a long term recovery or resulted in death.

I'm not defending slavery; I am very thankful I didn't live in those times and conditions. There were also times back then, where there were worse existences than slavery. One could be sold into slavery where they became part of the family. One could also draw the short end of the stick where their fate fell into the hands of cruel people. In Judaism, most slavery had ended by the time of Jesus because of Jewish teachings about loving one's neighbor and loving strangers and sojourners as well. Again, spiritual growth that you disregard. You also admitted you didn't see any lesson/truth of any value in the story of Noah's Ark.

All of this is why a discussion simply isn't possible between us. With no belief in God, and with no belief that humans are made up of both body and spirit, it's not possible. You can get into trying to explain some other meaning of the need to not beat your slave so severely that he/she doesn't die for at least two days if you wish.

Or just claim that all of Genesis is allegorical?

You're not finding any peace or peaceful conclusions in our discussions. I can't lie to myself to make it all work for you. Remember, I could choose to become mean spirited as is Ding's style. That would only be to my discredit by doing to you that which he yearns to have done to him. That's how he and most others find peace with themselves. It's not going to ever be 'from me to you'!

 

[Donald H]

No. We haven’t reached agreement.

I can deny you your search to find peace with yourself over your understanding of your bible's lies. The truth is for those who are too intelligent to accept the impossible lies.

You can't be dumbed down in church on Sunday with the others. Life isn't fair!

 

[ding]

I can deny you your search to find peace with yourself over your understanding of your bible's lies. The truth is for those who are too intelligent to accept the impossible lies.

You can't be dumbed down in church on Sunday with the others. Life isn't fair!

You don’t control anything over me. So no.

 

[Donald H]

You don’t control anything over me. So no.

Hobelim has his hooks in you too!

 

[ding]

Hobelim has his hooks in you too!

Try harder.