Proof Obama is a Muslim

[Ernie S.]

Damn right no muslim has any business being involved in our government at any level. The cult of anti freedom does not mesh with the freedoms we enjoy. Anyone who disagrees is simply insane. I am sure there are many progress tards who would disagree, but that is a mental disorder.

Ironic that you should cite "the freedoms we enjoy" while denying that same freedom to Muslims.

Which freedoms do you think muslims would grant you if they were majority? They hate our freedoms, unless it aides them in gaining a foothold.

So you think we should mirror the Muslims in spite of our traditions and laws? We should let the radical Islamists set the bar for ethical deportment?

Here's what's funny to me. There is no political difference between Jihadists and the bigoted Christians calling for a ban on Muslim presidents. Both groups disdain culture, either popular culture and high culture. Both groups use a stilted interpretation of their faith to justify fear hate and suspicion. Both groups think they have a Holy Mandate to carry out their plans for what they think would be a better world. Politically, both groups are identical.

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

 

[Nosmo King]

Damn right no muslim has any business being involved in our government at any level. The cult of anti freedom does not mesh with the freedoms we enjoy. Anyone who disagrees is simply insane. I am sure there are many progress tards who would disagree, but that is a mental disorder.

Ironic that you should cite "the freedoms we enjoy" while denying that same freedom to Muslims.

Which freedoms do you think muslims would grant you if they were majority? They hate our freedoms, unless it aides them in gaining a foothold.

So you think we should mirror the Muslims in spite of our traditions and laws? We should let the radical Islamists set the bar for ethical deportment?

Here's what's funny to me. There is no political difference between Jihadists and the bigoted Christians calling for a ban on Muslim presidents. Both groups disdain culture, either popular culture and high culture. Both groups use a stilted interpretation of their faith to justify fear hate and suspicion. Both groups think they have a Holy Mandate to carry out their plans for what they think would be a better world. Politically, both groups are identical.

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

I did not say that the tactics are the same. One group uses suicide bombers and airplanes, the other burns crosses and lynches.

But POLITICALLY there is no difference.

 

[Faun]

The first thing they did when they all settled here in Minnesota was to change our freedoms. We had a music and beer festival called Cedar Fest, it had ran since 1969. They decided after they took over the neighborhood in the area, that they now didn't want this in "their" neighborhood.

You can prove this, right?

I don't have to prove anything, it happened. It was on the news, it happened in the 90s. I am not sure where I am supposed to get proof now. Why would I make it up?

Of course you don't have to prove anything. That's your choice. By the same token, no one has to believe you either.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Ok, let's say he's a Muslim. Now what? What's that get you? He'll be out of office and a footnote soon enough, what's it matter what imaginary invisible friend he believes in?

 

[Ernie S.]

Damn right no muslim has any business being involved in our government at any level. The cult of anti freedom does not mesh with the freedoms we enjoy. Anyone who disagrees is simply insane. I am sure there are many progress tards who would disagree, but that is a mental disorder.

Ironic that you should cite "the freedoms we enjoy" while denying that same freedom to Muslims.

Which freedoms do you think muslims would grant you if they were majority? They hate our freedoms, unless it aides them in gaining a foothold.

So you think we should mirror the Muslims in spite of our traditions and laws? We should let the radical Islamists set the bar for ethical deportment?

Here's what's funny to me. There is no political difference between Jihadists and the bigoted Christians calling for a ban on Muslim presidents. Both groups disdain culture, either popular culture and high culture. Both groups use a stilted interpretation of their faith to justify fear hate and suspicion. Both groups think they have a Holy Mandate to carry out their plans for what they think would be a better world. Politically, both groups are identical.

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

I did not say that the tactics are the same. One group uses suicide bombers and airplanes, the other burns crosses and lynches.

But POLITICALLY there is no difference.

Radical Islam is political. It is certainly not religious.

 

[EatMorChikin]

Of course you don't have to prove anything. That's your choice. By the same token, no one has to believe you either.

I don't really care if you believe me or not.

 

[Syriusly]

Do you know any Muslim Americans?

I don't know of any Muslim Americans that want anything other than to be treated like Americans- they often have seen first hand what it is like to live in countries where religious freedom is not protected.

The reality is that lots of people around the world- including lots and lots of Muslims- but also Russians and Chinese and various other nationalities are shocked by our freedoms and do not understand why we have them.

But those who come here come here for those freedoms.

Oh really?

The first thing they did when they all settled here in Minnesota was to change our freedoms. We had a music and beer festival called Cedar Fest, it had ran since 1969. They decided after they took over the neighborhood in the area, that they now didn't want this in "their" neighborhood.

And if they just want to assimilate, why is it that they set up sharia only zones in countries they migrate to?

They come here to use our freedoms to gain a foothold. Are you familiar with taqiyya and kitman?

Are you talking about this Cedar Fest?
Cedar Fest - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

They come here for the freedoms of America. Many have suffered from religious intollerance in the countries they came from.

Are you familiar with Halakha?

 

[EatMorChikin]

Do you know any Muslim Americans?

I don't know of any Muslim Americans that want anything other than to be treated like Americans- they often have seen first hand what it is like to live in countries where religious freedom is not protected.

The reality is that lots of people around the world- including lots and lots of Muslims- but also Russians and Chinese and various other nationalities are shocked by our freedoms and do not understand why we have them.

But those who come here come here for those freedoms.

Oh really?

The first thing they did when they all settled here in Minnesota was to change our freedoms. We had a music and beer festival called Cedar Fest, it had ran since 1969. They decided after they took over the neighborhood in the area, that they now didn't want this in "their" neighborhood.

And if they just want to assimilate, why is it that they set up sharia only zones in countries they migrate to?

They come here to use our freedoms to gain a foothold. Are you familiar with taqiyya and kitman?

Are you talking about this Cedar Fest?
Cedar Fest - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

They come here for the freedoms of America. Many have suffered from religious intollerance in the countries they came from.

Are you familiar with Halakha?

Nope this fest was in Minneapolis. And no I am not familiar with Judism.

 

[Nosmo King]

Ironic that you should cite "the freedoms we enjoy" while denying that same freedom to Muslims.

Which freedoms do you think muslims would grant you if they were majority? They hate our freedoms, unless it aides them in gaining a foothold.

So you think we should mirror the Muslims in spite of our traditions and laws? We should let the radical Islamists set the bar for ethical deportment?

Here's what's funny to me. There is no political difference between Jihadists and the bigoted Christians calling for a ban on Muslim presidents. Both groups disdain culture, either popular culture and high culture. Both groups use a stilted interpretation of their faith to justify fear hate and suspicion. Both groups think they have a Holy Mandate to carry out their plans for what they think would be a better world. Politically, both groups are identical.

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

I did not say that the tactics are the same. One group uses suicide bombers and airplanes, the other burns crosses and lynches.

But POLITICALLY there is no difference.

Radical Islam is political. It is certainly not religious.

You're right. It is not religious.

Could you then explain why the OP and several others posting in this thread want open discrimination against Muslims? Why they falsely contend that the President is a Muslim? Why is there a morsel of religious hatred when radical Islam is a political movement, not a religious one?

 

[irosie91]

Which freedoms do you think muslims would grant you if they were majority? They hate our freedoms, unless it aides them in gaining a foothold.

So you think we should mirror the Muslims in spite of our traditions and laws? We should let the radical Islamists set the bar for ethical deportment?

Here's what's funny to me. There is no political difference between Jihadists and the bigoted Christians calling for a ban on Muslim presidents. Both groups disdain culture, either popular culture and high culture. Both groups use a stilted interpretation of their faith to justify fear hate and suspicion. Both groups think they have a Holy Mandate to carry out their plans for what they think would be a better world. Politically, both groups are identical.

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

I did not say that the tactics are the same. One group uses suicide bombers and airplanes, the other burns crosses and lynches.

But POLITICALLY there is no difference.

Radical Islam is political. It is certainly not religious.

You're right. It is not religious.

Could you then explain why the OP and several others posting in this thread want open discrimination against Muslims? Why they falsely contend that the President is a Muslim? Why is there a morsel of religious hatred when radical Islam is a political movement, not a religious one?

your statement is utterly mindless-------the stink of islamicism is ISLAM Islam is a religion which demands TRIUMPH OVER ALL OTHERS You are playing with words

 

[Ernie S.]

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.

I have discussed terrorism with my Muslim friends. While they will speak out one on one, they resist saying anything that could be construed as criticism of any other Muslims when there is a chance they may be overheard.

As far as burning crosses.... Any of that that still occurs is done by old guard Democrats of the KKK.

Lynching just don't happen any more. There is far more racially motivated murder and assault committed by what would be part of the Democrat base than by any group anyone could call Christian.

You want to make Christian fundamentalists and Conservatives out to be the bad guys here. I understand. Their values are standing in the way of your Socialist Utopia.

You want a Socialist Utopia? Head for Key West. Rent a boat and head due south for 90 miles. A decent boat will deliver you to your destination in under 3 hours.

 

[Nosmo King]

So you think we should mirror the Muslims in spite of our traditions and laws? We should let the radical Islamists set the bar for ethical deportment?

Here's what's funny to me. There is no political difference between Jihadists and the bigoted Christians calling for a ban on Muslim presidents. Both groups disdain culture, either popular culture and high culture. Both groups use a stilted interpretation of their faith to justify fear hate and suspicion. Both groups think they have a Holy Mandate to carry out their plans for what they think would be a better world. Politically, both groups are identical.

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

I did not say that the tactics are the same. One group uses suicide bombers and airplanes, the other burns crosses and lynches.

But POLITICALLY there is no difference.

Radical Islam is political. It is certainly not religious.

You're right. It is not religious.

Could you then explain why the OP and several others posting in this thread want open discrimination against Muslims? Why they falsely contend that the President is a Muslim? Why is there a morsel of religious hatred when radical Islam is a political movement, not a religious one?

your statement is utterly mindless-------the stink of islamicism is ISLAM Islam is a religion which demands TRIUMPH OVER ALL OTHERS You are playing with words

If that were true, wouldn't every devout Muslim seek to kill everyone deemed an infidel? Wouldn't the strategy of death and martyrdom be universal among every person who is Muslim?

Is looking at the entirety of the Islamic world as nothing more than rabid Jihadists bent of the overthrow of Western civilization an honest position?

I am not 'playing with words'. I'm asking responsible questions. We do not seek a war on a religion. We should NEVER seek banning a religion or any of its followers from public office. We are Americans in the best tradition of Americanism.

Religious bigotry is anathema to our culture and our laws and our very way of life.

 

[Nosmo King]

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.

I have discussed terrorism with my Muslim friends. While they will speak out one on one, they resist saying anything that could be construed as criticism of any other Muslims when there is a chance they may be overheard.

As far as burning crosses.... Any of that that still occurs is done by old guard Democrats of the KKK.

Lynching just don't happen any more. There is far more racially motivated murder and assault committed by what would be part of the Democrat base than by any group anyone could call Christian.

You want to make Christian fundamentalists and Conservatives out to be the bad guys here. I understand. Their values are standing in the way of your Socialist Utopia.

You want a Socialist Utopia? Head for Key West. Rent a boat and head due south for 90 miles. A decent boat will deliver you to your destination in under 3 hours.

There is no central authority in the Islamic world. No pope, no bishops or college of cardinals. If you are waiting for a blanket condemnation of radical Islam, I ask you this: which Christian authority condemned the violence in Northern Ireland?

I'm not seeking any type of utopia. I am refuting the meat headed opinions of those who want to paint all of Islam with the broad brush of hatred and fear due to the actions of a VERY small minority of Muslims.

 

[irosie91]

Christians, bigoted or not, are not flying jets into buildings and beheading journalists.

I did not say that the tactics are the same. One group uses suicide bombers and airplanes, the other burns crosses and lynches.

But POLITICALLY there is no difference.

Radical Islam is political. It is certainly not religious.

You're right. It is not religious.

Could you then explain why the OP and several others posting in this thread want open discrimination against Muslims? Why they falsely contend that the President is a Muslim? Why is there a morsel of religious hatred when radical Islam is a political movement, not a religious one?

your statement is utterly mindless-------the stink of islamicism is ISLAM Islam is a religion which demands TRIUMPH OVER ALL OTHERS You are playing with words

If that were true, wouldn't every devout Muslim seek to kill everyone deemed an infidel? Wouldn't the strategy of death and martyrdom be universal among every person who is Muslim?

Is looking at the entirety of the Islamic world as nothing more than rabid Jihadists bent of the overthrow of Western civilization an honest position?

I am not 'playing with words'. I'm asking responsible questions. We do not seek a war on a religion. We should NEVER seek banning a religion or any of its followers from public office. We are Americans in the best tradition of Americanism.

Religious bigotry is anathema to our culture and our laws and our very way of life.

you are now not only playing with words-----you are being dimwitted. You "honest question" is----in sum and substance-----"if the destruction of non muslims is considered
an ideal for muslims would not ALL PIOUS MUSLIMS not be
involved in killing non muslims"? idiot question. Baseball is considered an ALL AMERICAN FINE GAME
by americans------I am an American and I cannot tolerate that game ----either playing or watching it or listening to it or taking part in discussions thereof. YET---lots of americans fantasize about being baseball stars and strive mightily toward that end because it is an AMERICAN IDEAL----similarly lots of muslims strive toward the IDEAL which is their legacy-------MUJAHAD----DESTROYER OF THE ENEMEEEES OF ISLAAAAAAM I did not invent this idea----Muslims told me and I even heard it in a mosque.
It might interest you to know that the ENEMEEEES OF ISLAAAAM are---Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus
"idol" worshippers (such as Buddhists) atheists and anyone who is not willing to consider the Koran the single TRUTH of
the universe. I did not invent this idea----muslims told me..

I have been warned not to "make much" of THE CALIPHATE-------it is "racist" to do so------the CALIPHATE
is no surprise to me-------I knew it was coming as soon as the
ARAB SPRING happened three years ago. I assure you-----
THE CALIPHATE in some form or the other is DEAR to the heart of every muslim for whom islam is important

 

[Ernie S.]

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.

I have discussed terrorism with my Muslim friends. While they will speak out one on one, they resist saying anything that could be construed as criticism of any other Muslims when there is a chance they may be overheard.

As far as burning crosses.... Any of that that still occurs is done by old guard Democrats of the KKK.

Lynching just don't happen any more. There is far more racially motivated murder and assault committed by what would be part of the Democrat base than by any group anyone could call Christian.

You want to make Christian fundamentalists and Conservatives out to be the bad guys here. I understand. Their values are standing in the way of your Socialist Utopia.

You want a Socialist Utopia? Head for Key West. Rent a boat and head due south for 90 miles. A decent boat will deliver you to your destination in under 3 hours.

There is no central authority in the Islamic world. No pope, no bishops or college of cardinals. If you are waiting for a blanket condemnation of radical Islam, I ask you this: which Christian authority condemned the violence in Northern Ireland?

I'm not seeking any type of utopia. I am refuting the meat headed opinions of those who want to paint all of Islam with the broad brush of hatred and fear due to the actions of a VERY small minority of Muslims.

None that I know of, not being familiar with papal history, though I wouldn't doubt that the Pope spoke out.
The point is, Christians all over the world spoke out as individuals. I see little of that from Muslims.

Yup a small minority of Muslims are engaged in terrorism, but far more than the few Christians who commit similar acts. The major difference is that 99.999% of Christians and 5% of Muslims condemn the acts of terrorism carried out in the name of their respective religions.

 

[Syriusly]

doesn't matter if i have or not, there are no shaia only zones there.

of course, you think cancelling a festival is an infringement on your rights, so you've already proved your disconnect from reality

Yes I do think canceling a festival we have had for decades is an infringement on my rights. That is what muslims do, they take away your rights to suit themselves.

When Muslims form a small minority of a population, the message of Islam is "peace and tolerance" (Stealth Jihad). As numbers rise, so do complaints, as well as retaliatory attacks for perceived affronts (Defensive Jihad). When Muslims eventually establish a majority, all non-Muslims are violently subjugated (Offensive Jihad).

Sorry you can't see this.

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.s.

I would post citation after citation of Muslims doing exactly that- but I am quite confident it won't matter how many examples I show you- you will discount them.

My distrust of religious bigotry is based in part- upon the kinds of posts in this thread.

There is a real threat from Islamic extremism- from Muslims who want to or are violent.

But that is not automatically- or even likely- to be the Palestinian guy running the corner market, or the Pakistani family running the hotel you stop off at.

 

[irosie91]

Christian girls do not dance in the streets over the dead bodies of children murdered for "Christ"

 

[Syriusly]

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.

I have discussed terrorism with my Muslim friends. While they will speak out one on one, they resist saying anything that could be construed as criticism of any other Muslims when there is a chance they may be overheard.

As far as burning crosses.... Any of that that still occurs is done by old guard Democrats of the KKK.

Lynching just don't happen any more. There is far more racially motivated murder and assault committed by what would be part of the Democrat base than by any group anyone could call Christian.

You want to make Christian fundamentalists and Conservatives out to be the bad guys here. I understand. Their values are standing in the way of your Socialist Utopia.

You want a Socialist Utopia? Head for Key West. Rent a boat and head due south for 90 miles. A decent boat will deliver you to your destination in under 3 hours.

There is no central authority in the Islamic world. No pope, no bishops or college of cardinals. If you are waiting for a blanket condemnation of radical Islam, I ask you this: which Christian authority condemned the violence in Northern Ireland?

I'm not seeking any type of utopia. I am refuting the meat headed opinions of those who want to paint all of Islam with the broad brush of hatred and fear due to the actions of a VERY small minority of Muslims.

None that I know of, not being familiar with papal history, though I wouldn't doubt that the Pope spoke out.
The point is, Christians all over the world spoke out as individuals. I see little of that from Muslims..

I heard comment after comment by French Muslims who condemned the attacks- and those who would attack in the name of Islam. There was even the Muslim man who protected the shoppers in the kosher grocery.

Not that I expect you will ever be convinced otherwise.....but for what its worth.
46 examples of Muslim outrage about Paris shooting that Fox News can 8217 t seem to find

 

[irosie91]

doesn't matter if i have or not, there are no shaia only zones there.

of course, you think cancelling a festival is an infringement on your rights, so you've already proved your disconnect from reality

Yes I do think canceling a festival we have had for decades is an infringement on my rights. That is what muslims do, they take away your rights to suit themselves.

When Muslims form a small minority of a population, the message of Islam is "peace and tolerance" (Stealth Jihad). As numbers rise, so do complaints, as well as retaliatory attacks for perceived affronts (Defensive Jihad). When Muslims eventually establish a majority, all non-Muslims are violently subjugated (Offensive Jihad).

Sorry you can't see this.

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.s.

I would post citation after citation of Muslims doing exactly that- but I am quite confident it won't matter how many examples I show you- you will discount them.

My distrust of religious bigotry is based in part- upon the kinds of posts in this thread.

There is a real threat from Islamic extremism- from Muslims who want to or are violent.

But that is not automatically- or even likely- to be the Palestinian guy running the corner market, or the Pakistani family running the hotel you stop off at.

Yes----it is unlikely-----but it is far more likely than it would be if the corner market is run by a quaker or the hotel is run
by------for that matter HINDUS Furthermore ----it is virtually
inevitable that the muslim hotel family and he muslim corner
market ----have relatives who are active MUJAHADEEN-----
I have worked with muslims who----way back in the 90s boasted proudly of their TALIBAN relatives and past school chums------especially those who died in the noble act

 

[Syriusly]

doesn't matter if i have or not, there are no shaia only zones there.

of course, you think cancelling a festival is an infringement on your rights, so you've already proved your disconnect from reality

Yes I do think canceling a festival we have had for decades is an infringement on my rights. That is what muslims do, they take away your rights to suit themselves.

When Muslims form a small minority of a population, the message of Islam is "peace and tolerance" (Stealth Jihad). As numbers rise, so do complaints, as well as retaliatory attacks for perceived affronts (Defensive Jihad). When Muslims eventually establish a majority, all non-Muslims are violently subjugated (Offensive Jihad).

Sorry you can't see this.

I can't speak for others, but my distrust of Muslims stems from the fact that few of them condemn the acts of terrorism carried out by their radical brethren.s.

I would post citation after citation of Muslims doing exactly that- but I am quite confident it won't matter how many examples I show you- you will discount them.

My distrust of religious bigotry is based in part- upon the kinds of posts in this thread.

There is a real threat from Islamic extremism- from Muslims who want to or are violent.

But that is not automatically- or even likely- to be the Palestinian guy running the corner market, or the Pakistani family running the hotel you stop off at.

Yes----it is unlikely-----but it is far more likely than it would be if the corner market is run by a quaker or the hotel is run
by------for that matter HINDUS Furthermore ----it is virtually
inevitable that the muslim hotel family and he muslim corner
market ----have relatives who are active MUJAHADEEN-----
I have worked with muslims who----way back in the 90s boasted proudly of their TALIBAN relatives and past school chums------especially those who died in the noble act

Furthermore ----it is virtually
inevitable that the muslim hotel family and he muslim corner
market ----have relatives who are active MUJAHADEEN--

No- sorry- just your xenophobic imagination.

I am all in favor of targeting violent Muslim extremists- but not targeting people because they happen to be Muslim and you are convinced that that means they know terrorists.