Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

[Crick]

Neither can a gas turbine or a coal furnace.

Yeah, but the coal or gas plant isn't going to be fluctuating up and down on its own
when it gets cloudy or calm, while the demand remains constant.

Build more resources in areas with more consisten sunshine or consistent wind. Put solar panels in space. Build nuke plants. Build fusion plants. Just stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as you can.

Weather forecasts will give you far more than one hour's warning.

Again, when the 4 hour forecast shows your solar input is going to drop 30% (or whatever),
how is your other green energy going to ramp up? Unless you're burning biomass. Are you?

You can go to the wind field in the next state or the solar field in the next county that happens to be sitting in full sunshine.

How much extra capacity are you building into these out of state wind and solar fields
Are they going to be twice as big, in case you need some extra juice? Three times?

Why not? They use no fuel.

Just pointing out that the core of your criticism here of wind and solar applies equally to every other means of generating power.

Equally?
When is a cloudy day or a calm day going to cut nat gas power by 30%? Or nuclear or coal?

Your original core argument was that it had limits. Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else. All of these problems are soluble and the only reason you don't think so is that you see no need to build alternatives in the first place. You think its ALL a waste of money.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Build more resources in areas with more consisten sunshine or consistent wind. Put solar panels in space. Build nuke plants. Build fusion plants. Just stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as you can.

Why not? They use no fuel.

Your original core argument was that it had limits. Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else. All of these problems are soluble and the only reason you don't think so is that you see no need to build alternatives in the first place. You think its ALL a waste of money.

Build more resources in areas with more consistent sunshine or consistent wind.

So, none near Chicago?

Put solar panels in space.

That was the one thing I liked about Anderson's presidential run.

Why not? They use no fuel.

You want to build twice as many windmills, because they use no fuel?
Isn't that going to ruin the "cheapest energy" claim from the LCOE silliness?

Your original core argument was that it had limits.

Because they do. Let's try an example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using solar,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else.

Same example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using natural gas or nuclear,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

 

[Crick]

Build more resources in areas with more consistent sunshine or consistent wind.

So, none near Chicago?

Put solar panels in space.

That was the one thing I liked about Anderson's presidential run.

Why not? They use no fuel.

You want to build twice as many windmills, because they use no fuel?
Isn't that going to ruin the "cheapest energy" claim from the LCOE silliness?

Your original core argument was that it had limits.

Because they do. Let's try an example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using solar,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else.

Same example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using natural gas or nuclear,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

Past time for bed.

 

[jc456]

ine. Free fuel

Still waiting to hear how it’s free

 

[jc456]

Just stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as you can

Why? You don’t like reliable power?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Build more resources in areas with more consisten sunshine or consistent wind. Put solar panels in space. Build nuke plants. Build fusion plants. Just stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as you can.

Why not? They use no fuel.

Your original core argument was that it had limits. Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else. All of these problems are soluble and the only reason you don't think so is that you see no need to build alternatives in the first place. You think its ALL a waste of money.

Your original core argument was that it had limits.

Because they do. Let's try an example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using solar,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else.

Same example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using natural gas or nuclear,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Free fuel.

Still waiting to hear how it’s free

The Sun has no meter attached. More broadly speaking, our environment constantly provides energy to us, free of charge. We'd all be popsicles tomorrow if the Sun mysteriously burned out today.

All of the so-called Laws of Thermodynamics presume a closed system which exists exactly nowhere. How much fossil fuel will one require next winter to keep their house warm? Warmer than what? We start measuring from an arbitrary temperature, simply presuming the Sun must somehow continue supplying the balance between that and near absolute zero for free.

 

[jc456]

The Sun has no meter attached. More broadly speaking, our environment constantly provides energy to us, free of charge. We'd all be popsicles tomorrow if the Sun mysteriously burned out today.

All of the so-called Laws of Thermodynamics presume a closed system which exists exactly nowhere. How much fossil fuel will one require next winter to keep their house warm? Warmer than what? We start measuring from an arbitrary temperature, simply presuming the Sun must somehow continue supplying the balance between that and near absolute zero for free.

Can’t make it up

 

[Grumblenuts]

Can’t make it up

Can't rebut it? Makes too much sense? Must match reality.

 

[jc456]

Can't rebut it? Makes too much sense? Must match reality.

I was being kind. It seems you’re far too stupid to know that infrastructure isn’t free, Land isn’t free, product isn’t free.

Upkeep isn’t free.

But you dummasses keep spouting stupid

 

[Grumblenuts]

It seems you’re far too stupid to know that infrastructure isn’t free, Land isn’t free, product isn’t free.

Upkeep isn’t free.

It's clear that simply, desperately changing the goalposts is what passes for a logical rebuttal in your weak mind.

Still waiting to hear how it’s free

The Sun has no meter attached. More broadly speaking, our environment constantly provides energy to us, free of charge. We'd all be popsicles tomorrow if the Sun mysteriously burned out today.

All of the so-called Laws of Thermodynamics presume a closed system which exists exactly nowhere. How much fossil fuel will one require next winter to keep their house warm? Warmer than what? We start measuring from an arbitrary temperature, simply presuming the Sun must somehow continue supplying the balance between that and near absolute zero for free.

You asked. Now rebut any of that if you dare, dipshit.

 

[jc456]

t's clear that simply, desperately changing the goalposts is what passes for a logical rebuttal in your weak mind

What did I move? Your nonsense? Hahaha

 

[abu afak]

Wrong. The price has come down in the last decade due to GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES.

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

(Bloomberg Opinion) -- As the harm from climate change becomes increasingly manifest, there is some good news: The estimated cost of reducing carbon emissions is falling rapidly. One dramatic example is an analysis by Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.​

​

Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.​

​

First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)​

​

Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand.​

.....​

Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...​

[......]​

`

 

[jc456]

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

(Bloomberg Opinion) -- As the harm from climate change becomes increasingly manifest, there is some good news: The estimated cost of reducing carbon emissions is falling rapidly. One dramatic example is an analysis by Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.​

​

Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.​

​

First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)​

​

Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand.​

.....​

Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...​

[......]​

`

more word salad with no description of the problem and why spending money will fix the unknown problem. Demofk's normal word salad without dressing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

(Bloomberg Opinion) -- As the harm from climate change becomes increasingly manifest, there is some good news: The estimated cost of reducing carbon emissions is falling rapidly. One dramatic example is an analysis by Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.​

​

Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.​

​

First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)​

​

Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand.​

.....​

Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...​

[......]​

`

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

Just reliability and storage. And price.

 

[MisterBeale]

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

(Bloomberg Opinion) -- As the harm from climate change becomes increasingly manifest, there is some good news: The estimated cost of reducing carbon emissions is falling rapidly. One dramatic example is an analysis by Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.​

​

Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.​

​

First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)​

​

Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand.​

.....​

Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...​

[......]​

`

Of course price is, "no object," any more. Now that the technocrats have taken over, and can just seize the capital resources necessary to create their utopia!

Seize property to build wind and solar farms, says JP Morgan chief​

Green projects must be fast-tracked to meet net zero targets

https://archive.is/eTvgl#selection-2291.4-2295.67

Seize property to build wind and solar farms, says JP Morgan chief

Green projects must be fast-tracked to meet net zero targets

www.telegraph.co.uk

". . .Jamie Dimon, the longstanding boss of the Wall Street titan who donates to the Democratic Party, said green energy projects must be fast-tracked as the window for averting the most costly impacts of global climate change is closing.

In his annual shareholder letter, Mr Dimon said: “Permitting reforms are desperately needed to allow investment to be done in any kind of timely way.
“We may even need to evoke eminent domain – we simply are not getting the adequate investments fast enough for grid, solar, wind and pipeline initiatives.”
Eminent domain is when a government or state agency carries out a compulsory purchase of private property for public use and compensates the asset holder.

The proposal is unusual, especially coming from the longest-serving chief executive of a Wall Street bank, and could stir controversy as states in the US seek to crackdown on seizure orders.

In Iowa, state legislators on Monday passed a bill that aims to protect private property owners from eminent domain use by carbon pipeline companies.
Mr Dimon said the war in Ukraine was redefining the way countries and companies plan for energy security. . . . "

eminent domain

www.law.cornell.edu

Eminent Oxford Scientist Says Wind Power "Fails On Every Count" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Bankers joked about Epstein’s relationship with young girls, court filings claim​

Bankers joked about Epstein’s relationship with young girls, court filings claim

Lawsuit alleges JP Morgan ignored red flags around paedophile's sex trafficking crimes

www.telegraph.co.uk

https://archive.is/jOaK3

Jamie Dimon Will Face Questioning In Lawsuits Over JPMorganâs Epstein Ties

JPMorgan has said the billionaire CEO had no connection to Epstein, but a lawsuit calls him "a likely source of relevant and unique information" about why the bank kept Epstein as a high-profile client following a sex crimes conviction.

www.forbes.com

Episode 322 - What Is Sustainable Development? - The Corbett Report

https://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/episode322-lq.mp3We've all heard of sustainable development, but what does it actually mean? Is it really about protecting the earth, or is it just another tool for foisting an agenda of carbon eugenics and technocracy? Join us this week on The Corbett Report as...

www.corbettreport.com

So? Should we really trust the establishment and government when they tell us, "price is no longer an obstacle?"

Story #2 April 14, 2023

Shh! Don't Report On Pentagon's Secret Leak! - #NewWorldNextWeek​

Interview 1798 - Shh! Don't Report On Pentagon's Secret Leak! - #NewWorldNextWeek​

Corbett • 04/14/2023

Interview 1798 – Shh! Don’t Report On Pentagon’s Secret Leak! – #NewWorldNextWeek | The Corbett Report

www.corbettreport.com

"Welcome to New World Next Week – the video series from Corbett Report and Media Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments in open source intelligence news. This week:"



Story #1: White House Says Don’t Report On Pentagon Leaks


Story #2: JP Morgan Chief Says Seize Property To Build Wind, Solar Farms


Story #3: Trilateral Commission Calls 2023 'Year One' Of New World Order

 

[abu afak]

Of course price is, "no object," any more. Now that the technocrats have taken over, and can just seize the capital resources necessary to create their utopia!

Seize property to build wind and solar farms, says JP Morgan chief​

Green projects must be fast-tracked to meet net zero targets

https://archive.is/eTvgl#selection-2291.4-2295.67

Seize property to build wind and solar farms, says JP Morgan chief

Green projects must be fast-tracked to meet net zero targets

www.telegraph.co.uk

View attachment 777523

". . .Jamie Dimon, the longstanding boss of the Wall Street titan who donates to the Democratic Party, said green energy projects must be fast-tracked as the window for averting the most costly impacts of global climate change is closing.

In his annual shareholder letter, Mr Dimon said: “Permitting reforms are desperately needed to allow investment to be done in any kind of timely way.
“We may even need to evoke eminent domain – we simply are not getting the adequate investments fast enough for grid, solar, wind and pipeline initiatives.”
Eminent domain is when a government or state agency carries out a compulsory purchase of private property for public use and compensates the asset holder.

The proposal is unusual, especially coming from the longest-serving chief executive of a Wall Street bank, and could stir controversy as states in the US seek to crackdown on seizure orders.

In Iowa, state legislators on Monday passed a bill that aims to protect private property owners from eminent domain use by carbon pipeline companies.
Mr Dimon said the war in Ukraine was redefining the way countries and companies plan for energy security. . . . "

eminent domain

www.law.cornell.edu

Eminent Oxford Scientist Says Wind Power "Fails On Every Count" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Bankers joked about Epstein’s relationship with young girls, court filings claim​

Bankers joked about Epstein’s relationship with young girls, court filings claim

Lawsuit alleges JP Morgan ignored red flags around paedophile's sex trafficking crimes

www.telegraph.co.uk

https://archive.is/jOaK3

View attachment 777525

Jamie Dimon Will Face Questioning In Lawsuits Over JPMorganâs Epstein Ties

JPMorgan has said the billionaire CEO had no connection to Epstein, but a lawsuit calls him "a likely source of relevant and unique information" about why the bank kept Epstein as a high-profile client following a sex crimes conviction.

www.forbes.com

Episode 322 - What Is Sustainable Development? - The Corbett Report

https://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/episode322-lq.mp3We've all heard of sustainable development, but what does it actually mean? Is it really about protecting the earth, or is it just another tool for foisting an agenda of carbon eugenics and technocracy? Join us this week on The Corbett Report as...

www.corbettreport.com

So? Should we really trust the establishment and government when they tell us, "price is no longer an obstacle?"

Story #2 April 14, 2023

Shh! Don't Report On Pentagon's Secret Leak! - #NewWorldNextWeek​

Interview 1798 - Shh! Don't Report On Pentagon's Secret Leak! - #NewWorldNextWeek​

Corbett • 04/14/2023

Interview 1798 – Shh! Don’t Report On Pentagon’s Secret Leak! – #NewWorldNextWeek | The Corbett Report

www.corbettreport.com

"Welcome to New World Next Week – the video series from Corbett Report and Media Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments in open source intelligence news. This week:"



Story #1: White House Says Don’t Report On Pentagon Leaks


Story #2: JP Morgan Chief Says Seize Property To Build Wind, Solar Farms


Story #3: Trilateral Commission Calls 2023 'Year One' Of New World Order

Gigantic and OFF TOPIC you Blunderbuss IDIOT.
1. Might make a Nice Thread Start though. ie, "Eminent Domain proposed by JP Morgan chief in Renewable transition"
But you don't do that.

2. And for Good measure you throw in the "Trilateral commission" and "NWO" Conspiracy as you are typical USMB MAGA-QAnon Moron!

3. And the WAY OFF TOPIC "White House and Pentagon Leaks" you FvKKING FREAK SHOW!

4. And the "Jeffrey Epstein" case!

This thread is about the cost drop in renewables in the last decade.
UNADDRESSED.

you Total WACK JOB FREAK.
RESIGN!

So you can also take this as a REPORT of YOUR OFF TOPIC POST.
`

 

[Meister]

Of course price is, "no object," any more. Now that the technocrats have taken over, and can just seize the capital resources necessary to create their utopia!

Seize property to build wind and solar farms, says JP Morgan chief​

Green projects must be fast-tracked to meet net zero targets

https://archive.is/eTvgl#selection-2291.4-2295.67

Seize property to build wind and solar farms, says JP Morgan chief

Green projects must be fast-tracked to meet net zero targets

www.telegraph.co.uk

View attachment 777523

". . .Jamie Dimon, the longstanding boss of the Wall Street titan who donates to the Democratic Party, said green energy projects must be fast-tracked as the window for averting the most costly impacts of global climate change is closing.

In his annual shareholder letter, Mr Dimon said: “Permitting reforms are desperately needed to allow investment to be done in any kind of timely way.
“We may even need to evoke eminent domain – we simply are not getting the adequate investments fast enough for grid, solar, wind and pipeline initiatives.”
Eminent domain is when a government or state agency carries out a compulsory purchase of private property for public use and compensates the asset holder.

The proposal is unusual, especially coming from the longest-serving chief executive of a Wall Street bank, and could stir controversy as states in the US seek to crackdown on seizure orders.

In Iowa, state legislators on Monday passed a bill that aims to protect private property owners from eminent domain use by carbon pipeline companies.
Mr Dimon said the war in Ukraine was redefining the way countries and companies plan for energy security. . . . "

eminent domain

www.law.cornell.edu

Eminent Oxford Scientist Says Wind Power "Fails On Every Count" | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Bankers joked about Epstein’s relationship with young girls, court filings claim​

Bankers joked about Epstein’s relationship with young girls, court filings claim

Lawsuit alleges JP Morgan ignored red flags around paedophile's sex trafficking crimes

www.telegraph.co.uk

https://archive.is/jOaK3

View attachment 777525

Jamie Dimon Will Face Questioning In Lawsuits Over JPMorganâs Epstein Ties

JPMorgan has said the billionaire CEO had no connection to Epstein, but a lawsuit calls him "a likely source of relevant and unique information" about why the bank kept Epstein as a high-profile client following a sex crimes conviction.

www.forbes.com

Episode 322 - What Is Sustainable Development? - The Corbett Report

https://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/episode322-lq.mp3We've all heard of sustainable development, but what does it actually mean? Is it really about protecting the earth, or is it just another tool for foisting an agenda of carbon eugenics and technocracy? Join us this week on The Corbett Report as...

www.corbettreport.com

So? Should we really trust the establishment and government when they tell us, "price is no longer an obstacle?"

Story #2 April 14, 2023

Shh! Don't Report On Pentagon's Secret Leak! - #NewWorldNextWeek​

Interview 1798 - Shh! Don't Report On Pentagon's Secret Leak! - #NewWorldNextWeek​

Corbett • 04/14/2023

Interview 1798 – Shh! Don’t Report On Pentagon’s Secret Leak! – #NewWorldNextWeek | The Corbett Report

www.corbettreport.com

"Welcome to New World Next Week – the video series from Corbett Report and Media Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments in open source intelligence news. This week:"



Story #1: White House Says Don’t Report On Pentagon Leaks


Story #2: JP Morgan Chief Says Seize Property To Build Wind, Solar Farms


Story #3: Trilateral Commission Calls 2023 'Year One' Of New World Order

That's how they do it in communist/dictator countries.

 

[MisterBeale]

Gigantic and OFF TOPIC you Blunderbuss IDIOT.
1. Might make a Nice Thread Start though. ie, "Eminent Domain proposed by JP Morgan chief in Renewable transition"
But you don't do that.

2. And for Good measure you throw in the "Trilateral commission" and "NWO" Conspiracy as you are typical USMB MAGA-QAnon Moron!

3. And the WAY OFF TOPIC "White House and Pentagon Leaks" you FvKKING FREAK SHOW!

4. And the "Jeffrey Epstein" case!

This thread is about the cost drop in renewables in the last decade.
UNADDRESSED.

you Total WACK JOB FREAK.
RESIGN!

So you can also take this as a REPORT of YOUR OFF TOPIC POST.
`

Of course it is on topic. Eminent Domain, by its nature, does not calculate true costs into this issue. The topic of the thread makes the claim, that price is no longer an obstacle.

If you avoid directly addressing all facets of the issue, and then go on to say. . . "government meddling in the costs," and "blackmail and corruption," in this issue are off topic?

Then of course, no one will take you seriously.

If you don't want to address that, and want to try to control the conversation, feel free, but these are facts, I have just linked to, with proof. It is now an established fact, that the masses are contributing their wealth, via taxes, and NO, price is, OF COURSE, an obstacle.

And of course, there were other links in that post.

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2023/03/Allison-Wind-energy.pdf?mc_cid=5c197dfa62&mc_eid=c926002e71

I'm sorry you don't like being disabused of your illusions.

 

[Meister]

AGAIN and UNADDRESSED in your usual LARGE GRAPHIC TROLLING off topic posting HABIT/ REPEAT VIOLATION:

1. Might make a Nice Thread Start though. ie, "Eminent Domain proposed by JP Morgan chief in Renewable transition"
But you don't do that.

2. And for Good measure you throw in the "Trilateral commission" and "NWO" Conspiracy as you are typical USMB MAGA-QAnon Moron!

3. And the WAY OFF TOPIC "White House and Pentagon Leaks" you FvKKING FREAK SHOW!

4. And the "Jeffrey Epstein" case!

This thread is about the cost drop in renewables in the last decade.
UNADDRESSED.

`

I disagree, what Beal states is within the parameters of the stated title of this thread.
Might not be what was intended by the OP, but valid nonetheless. No matter what you
may think.