Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

"...Solar's abundance and potential throughout the United States is staggering: PV panels on just 22,000 square miles of the nation's total land area – about the size of Lake Michigan – could supply enough electricity to power the entire United States.".."
The subsidy paid to solar is thee most expensive subsidy to ever exist, 50,000 per acre

and yes, it will take 220,000 square miles, capacity factor has to be included, as well as transmission line loses.

Cost in subsidies alone, 64,000,000,000,000

$64 trillion in subsidies, now we see why the US government puts the price tag at over $100 trillion dollars and why all the politicians are against Trump's oil policy.
 
Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020

"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.​
Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.​
First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)​
Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand.​
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Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...
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Horseshit.
 
A corporate apologist here, a troll for the billionaires there, and pretty soon the whole place just looks and smells like sharts.
 
Build more resources in areas with more consisten sunshine or consistent wind. Put solar panels in space. Build nuke plants. Build fusion plants. Just stop burning fossil fuels as quickly as you can.

Why not? They use no fuel.

Your original core argument was that it had limits. Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else. All of these problems are soluble and the only reason you don't think so is that you see no need to build alternatives in the first place. You think its ALL a waste of money.

Your original core argument was that it had limits.

Because they do. Let's try an example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using solar,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?

Well so does natural gas and nuclear and everything else.

Same example.

If you need 1 megawatt of power and you're using natural gas or nuclear,
how many megawatts of capacity do you need in the Chicago area?
 
"...[Texas] produces more wind and solar power today than the next three states (California, Iowa, and Oklahoma) combined, and that lead is growing. Last year Texas added more new renewable power generation than the next five states together. The American Clean Power Association, a trade group representing wind-, solar-, battery-, and hydrogen-energy developers, recently testified that renewables projects have invested $93 billion in Texas during the past couple of decades and generated $684 million combined in lease payments to landowners and taxes to counties and school districts.

One recent estimate found that renewables Lowered the cost of electricity to Texans by $11 billion last year, or $423 for every customer served by the state’s predominant power grid. Over the past five years, Texas has added 2,800 jobs to support wind and solar power generation at the same time that the state has lost 44,000 oil and gas extraction jobs, in part because automation has allowed producers to drill more wells while employing fewer roughnecks.

The abundance of low-cost clean energy—a growing priority for global corporations—has also driven companies to put new facilities in Texas."...:"


 
"...[Texas] produces more wind and solar power today than the next three states (California, Iowa, and Oklahoma) combined, and that lead is growing. Last year Texas added more new renewable power generation than the next five states together. The American Clean Power Association, a trade group representing wind-, solar-, battery-, and hydrogen-energy developers, recently testified that renewables projects have invested $93 billion in Texas during the past couple of decades and generated $684 million combined in lease payments to landowners and taxes to counties and school districts.

One recent estimate found that renewables Lowered the cost of electricity to Texans by $11 billion last year, or $423 for every customer served by the state’s predominant power grid. Over the past five years, Texas has added 2,800 jobs to support wind and solar power generation at the same time that the state has lost 44,000 oil and gas extraction jobs, in part because automation has allowed producers to drill more wells while employing fewer roughnecks.

The abundance of low-cost clean energy—a growing priority for global corporations—has also driven companies to put new facilities in Texas."...:"


Still no supported climate change anywhere. Pisses you off huh?
 
Still no supported climate change anywhere. Pisses you off huh?
"...renewables projects have invested $93 billion in Texas during the past couple of decades and generated $684 million combined in lease payments to landowners and taxes to counties and school districts.

One recent estimate found that renewables Lowered the cost of electricity to Texans by $11 billion last year, or $423 for every customer served by the state’s predominant power grid. Over the past five years, Texas has added 2,800 jobs to support wind and solar power generation at the same time that the state has lost 44,000 oil and gas extraction jobs, in part because automation has allowed producers to drill more wells while employing fewer roughnecks..."
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When big green is held responsible for the base load generation costs and they are applied to this scam, the costs are 5x what coal and gas can do... Our current technology makes coal and NG as efficient as all big green boondoggles.

THis big green lie will never die... It just gets rinsed out and regurgitated...

 
"...renewables projects have invested $93 billion in Texas during the past couple of decades and generated $684 million combined in lease payments to landowners and taxes to counties and school districts.

One recent estimate found that renewables Lowered the cost of electricity to Texans by $11 billion last year, or $423 for every customer served by the state’s predominant power grid. Over the past five years, Texas has added 2,800 jobs to support wind and solar power generation at the same time that the state has lost 44,000 oil and gas extraction jobs, in part because automation has allowed producers to drill more wells while employing fewer roughnecks..."
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What is the change in climate?
 
Solar is now ‘cheapest electricity in history’, confirms IEA

Solar is now ‘cheapest electricity in history’, confirms IEA

The world’s best solar power schemes now offer the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries.
www.carbonbrief.org

""The world’s best solar power schemes now offer the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries.

That is according to the International Energy Agency’s World Energy Outlook 2020. The 464-page outlook, published today by the IEA, also outlines the “extraordinarily turbulent” impact of coronavirus and the “highly uncertain” future of global energy use over the next two decades....."

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Solar is now ‘cheapest electricity in history’, confirms IEA

Solar is now ‘cheapest electricity in history’, confirms IEA

The world’s best solar power schemes now offer the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries.
www.carbonbrief.org

""The world’s best solar power schemes now offer the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries.

That is according to the International Energy Agency’s World Energy Outlook 2020. The 464-page outlook, published today by the IEA, also outlines the “extraordinarily turbulent” impact of coronavirus and the “highly uncertain” future of global energy use over the next two decades....."

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who is it cheap for?
 
Of course, there is a nice synergy there since Wind power increases at night.
It's either Ignorant or Dishonest (like you) to just use one of the Two main renewable sources that in fact COMPLEMENT each other as far as evening out performance.

Livermore Labs:
""..The team found that wind speed and power production varied by season as well as from night to day. Wind speeds were higher at night (more power) than during the day (less power) and higher during the warm season (more power) than in the cool season (less power).".."


Looks like another one of you of Idiotic/obsolete Claims/Wise cracks like "$76 Trillion".. and even more knowingly Dishonest.

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For example, average power production was 43 percent of maximum generation capacity on summer days

43% of maximum? That doesn't sound very dependable.
 
An easy claim to make for a state that imports energy and produces a very tiny amount of energy.

Abuafuk's ideas are all proven false. We can simply look at how the government gives 60% of the cost to all solar and wind projects/corporations and how the corporations then give part of our money back as campaign donations.

Aba fuc can not show us anywhere in the USA where the price of electricity has gone down.

Traditional sources of electricity cost 30$ per mwh, green energy costs, $200 per mwh.


Anything different is only temporary government policy dictating the price.
 
$64 Trillion in Solar Subsidies
Love the elektra who - OOOPS - NOW agrees 100% with THIS thread Title, even though all his friends say the Opposite.. as he has for a Decade.
His Link


Surge in U.S. Solar Company Bankruptcies, Despite Trillions in Subsidies​

Solar power got cheap. So why aren’t we using it more?

"Many of us might assume that the reason so much energy still comes from gas and coal power plants is simple economics: those fuels are cheaper. But though it was once true, that assumption has actually been Obliterated by a recent Decline in Solar and Wind Costs over the past Decade.

When it comes to the Cost of energy from New power plants, Onshore Wind and Solar are now the Cheapest sources—costing Less than as, Geothermal, Coal, or Nuclear..."""

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THANKS! YOU LOST.
AND THANKS FOR THE NEW SIG!
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Love the elektra who - OOOPS - NOW agrees 100% with THIS thread Title, even though all his friends say the Opposite.. as he has for a Decade.
His Link


THANKS! YOU LOST.
AND THANKS FOR THE NEW SIG!

Solar power got cheap. So why aren’t we using it more?​

It turns out there’s a lot of inertia built into the energy system.
Oct 8, 2021

Solar power got cheap. So why aren’t we using it more?

The cost of renewable energy, and solar in particular, has plummeted in the last decade. So why has there not been a green revolution?
Here it is, I quoted your post, which I replied to, the post with your link you now claim is mine.

I challenged you but instead of accepting the challenge you claim you win, by thinking your link is mine.

Pretty stupid Abu afuk
 

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.
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/---/ So, disconnect your house from the grid and put solar panels on your roof. What are you waiting for?
 
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