Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

[Toddsterpatriot]

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So renewables can't curb oil costs either?

 

[flacaltenn]

The problem with the hydrogen idea, rather than complete reliance on EV vehicles, is it still leaves freedom and liberty in the hands of the consumer.

This paradigm is not really about CO2, it is about centralized government control. The government wants to be able to control when and where you use your vehicles, and what for, it wants to control ALL energy use, all the time.

Hydrogen use would be off the smart grid energy use.

The freedom WOULD be in the hands of consumers. And that IS a problem. THere's actually a couple companies making residential hydrogen generators. Pretty expensive now because there's not an established market for hydrogen, but would be cheaper if we cracked hydrogen at "grid-scale" for EVs.

MUCH less toxic waste cycle for the environment using EVs running fuel cells and hydrogen -- AND it DOES scale up to commercial power generation for remote areas. Alaska has been FULL of supermarket/post office Fuel cell generators for decades, but they RUN on natural gas with MUCH less emissions than BURNING the natural gas.

It's an environmental solution that makes sense and wind/solar could make it cheaper without the hype and noise about FORCING those supplements directly grid - connected.

 

[MisterBeale]

The freedom WOULD be in the hands of consumers. And that IS a problem. THere's actually a couple companies making residential hydrogen generators. Pretty expensive now because there's not an established market for hydrogen, but would be cheaper if we cracked hydrogen at "grid-scale" for EVs.

MUCH less toxic waste cycle for the environment using EVs running fuel cells and hydrogen -- AND it DOES scale up to commercial power generation for remote areas. Alaska has been FULL of supermarket/post office Fuel cell generators for decades, but they RUN on natural gas with MUCH less emissions than BURNING the natural gas.

It's an environmental solution that makes sense and wind/solar could make it cheaper without the hype and noise about FORCING those supplements directly grid - connected.

This tech. has been used for decades. It is clean, powerful, and reliable.

It is well known, but the folks in control don't really want the public to have it.

It would mean too much freedom. And it would be logical, and make sense. This, of course, is just one more example of why this whole, AGW paradigm that the global oligarchs are pushing, seems to be nothing but an excuse to create a global corporate/government, technological AI panapticon placed on all the small people of the planet.

Tokyo hydrogen bus gets license - F&L Asia

A bus with a hydrogen-fueled engine jointly developed by Tokyo City University and Tokyo-based Hino Motors Ltd. has been given a license plate by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport […]

www.fuelsandlubes.com

Japan's first hydrogen hybrid train gears up for trial runs

JR East aims to begin commercial service in 2030

asia.nikkei.com

Space Applications of Hydrogen and Fuel Cells

NASA.gov brings you the latest images, videos and news from America's space agency. Get the latest updates on NASA missions, watch NASA TV live, and learn about our quest to reveal the unknown and benefit all humankind.

www.nasa.gov

NASA - Cool Fuel Cells

NASA - Fuel Cells: A Better Energy Source for Earth and Space

 

[flacaltenn]

This tech. has been used for decades. It is clean, powerful, and reliable.

It is well known, but the folks in control don't really want the public to have it.

It would mean too much freedom. And it would be logical, and make sense. This, of course, is just one more example of why this whole, AGW paradigm that the global oligarchs are pushing, seems to be nothing but an excuse to create a global corporate/government, technological AI panapticon placed on all the small people of the planet.

Tokyo hydrogen bus gets license - F&L Asia

A bus with a hydrogen-fueled engine jointly developed by Tokyo City University and Tokyo-based Hino Motors Ltd. has been given a license plate by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport […]

www.fuelsandlubes.com

Japan's first hydrogen hybrid train gears up for trial runs

JR East aims to begin commercial service in 2030

asia.nikkei.com

Space Applications of Hydrogen and Fuel Cells

NASA.gov brings you the latest images, videos and news from America's space agency. Get the latest updates on NASA missions, watch NASA TV live, and learn about our quest to reveal the unknown and benefit all humankind.

www.nasa.gov

NASA - Cool Fuel Cells

NASA - Fuel Cells: A Better Energy Source for Earth and Space

Fuel cells actually were a benefit of 60s/70s space program. And the KOREAN car manufacturers all staked their EV future designs on fuel cells rather than batteries.

Hydrogen highway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Existing public stations[edit]​

Main article: Hydrogen station
Further information: Hydrogen highway (Japan)

Asia[edit]​

At the end of 2012 there were 17 private hydrogen stations.[6] In 2014, Japan got its first commercial hydrogen fueling station.[7]

As of June 2020, there were 178 publicly available hydrogen fuel stations in operation in Asia.[8] 114 of these were in Japan.[9]

Europe[edit]​

As of November 2014, there were 27 publicly available hydrogen fuel stations in operation in Western Europe.[10] As of June 2020, there were more than 177 stations in Europe and 43 under construction; about half of these were in Germany.[11][12][13]

United States[edit]​

In 2013, The New York Times reported that there were "10 hydrogen stations available to the public in the United States: one in Columbia, S.C., eight in Southern California and the one in Emeryville, California".[14] As of September 2022, there were 54 publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations in the US, 53 of which were located in California, and one in Hawaii.[15]

 

[abu afak]

Three Myths About Renewable Energy and the Grid, Debunked​

Yale School of Environment - 12/9/21

Renewable energy skeptics argue that because of their variability, wind and solar cannot be the foundation of a dependable electricity grid. But the expansion of renewables and new methods of energy management and storage can lead to a grid that is reliable and clean.
[......]
"...During a brutal Texas cold snap last winter, Gov. Greg Abbott Wrongly blamed wind and solar power for the state’s massive grid failure, which was vastly larger than California’s. In fact, renewables outperformed the grid operator’s forecast during 90% of the blackout, and in the rest, fell short by at most one-fifteenth as much as gas plants. Instead, other causes — such as inadequately weatherized power plants and Natural Gas Shutting Down because of frozen equipment — led to most of the state’s electricity shortages...."
[.......]

Myth No. 1: A grid that increasingly relies on renewable energy is an unreliable grid.​

Going by the cliché, “In God we trust; all others bring data,” it’s worth looking at the statistics on grid reliability in countries with high levels of renewables.....
[........]

Myth No. 2: Countries like Germany must continue to rely on fossil fuels to stabilize the grid and back up variable wind and solar power.​

Again, the official data say otherwise."..."
[........]

Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

While variable output is a challenge, it is neither new nor especially hard to manage."..."

[...........]

Three Myths About Renewable Energy and the Grid, Debunked

Renewable energy skeptics argue that because of their variability, wind and solar cannot be the foundation of a dependable electricity grid. But the expansion of renewables and new methods of energy management and storage can lead to a grid that is reliable and clean.

e360.yale.edu

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[flacaltenn]

Three Myths About Renewable Energy and the Grid, Debunked​

Yale School of Environment - 12/9/21

Renewable energy skeptics argue that because of their variability, wind and solar cannot be the foundation of a dependable electricity grid. But the expansion of renewables and new methods of energy management and storage can lead to a grid that is reliable and clean.
[......]
"...During a brutal Texas cold snap last winter, Gov. Greg Abbott Wrongly blamed wind and solar power for the state’s massive grid failure, which was vastly larger than California’s. In fact, renewables outperformed the grid operator’s forecast during 90% of the blackout, and in the rest, fell short by at most one-fifteenth as much as gas plants. Instead, other causes — such as inadequately weatherized power plants and Natural Gas Shutting Down because of frozen equipment — led to most of the state’s electricity shortages...."
[.......]

Myth No. 1: A grid that increasingly relies on renewable energy is an unreliable grid.​

Going by the cliché, “In God we trust; all others bring data,” it’s worth looking at the statistics on grid reliability in countries with high levels of renewables.....
[........]

Myth No. 2: Countries like Germany must continue to rely on fossil fuels to stabilize the grid and back up variable wind and solar power.​

Again, the official data say otherwise."..."
[........]

Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

While variable output is a challenge, it is neither new nor especially hard to manage."..."

[...........]

Three Myths About Renewable Energy and the Grid, Debunked

Renewable energy skeptics argue that because of their variability, wind and solar cannot be the foundation of a dependable electricity grid. But the expansion of renewables and new methods of energy management and storage can lead to a grid that is reliable and clean.

e360.yale.edu

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You post some of the funniest shit. This one is a hoot, As factless and void of numbers as a comic book. Here's a Doozy...

Last summer, some commentators argued that blackouts in California were due to the “intermittency” of renewable energy sources, when in fact the chief causes were a combination of an extreme heat wave probably induced by climate change, faulty planning, and the lack of flexible generation sources and sufficient electricity storage

`1) Toss out the hail mary prayer to GWarming..

2) FAULTY PLANNING?? You bet your ass. Cali focused too much on solar/wind and not REAL ALTERNATIVES.

3) Lack of FLEXIBLE GENERATION SOURCES??? OH -- you mean the ones you just TURN ON AND THEY RUN RELIABLY FOREVER?? Yep..

4) Lack of sufficient storage?? SHIT YEAH. Cali hadn't even STARTED to try and bandaid the "intermittency of the renewables" they worshipped and deployed. And they DONT WORK if you dont spend a lot more money HOPELESSLY trying to MAKE them into REAL ALTERNATIVES.


But the FUNNIEST shit is that the SOURCE FOR ALL THIS is "Last summer, SOME COMMENTATORS".. REALLY ??? COMMENTATORS?? Not EXOTIC TATORS?? LOL...


As far as the Texas Brownouts go -- I have the charts. The Grid FAILED when the wind took a break for about 12 hours DURING a demand peak 15 to 20% ABOVE the projected max for the system .

Charts TRUMP --- "commentators".. OR notsocommontaters.

 

[abu afak]

You post some of the funniest shit. This one is a hoot, As factless and void of numbers as a comic book. Here's a Doozy...


`1) Toss out the hail mary prayer to GWarming..

2) FAULTY PLANNING?? You bet your ass. Cali focused too much on solar/wind and not REAL ALTERNATIVES.

3) Lack of FLEXIBLE GENERATION SOURCES??? OH -- you mean the ones you just TURN ON AND THEY RUN RELIABLY FOREVER?? Yep..

4) Lack of sufficient storage?? SHIT YEAH. Cali hadn't even STARTED to try and bandaid the "intermittency of the renewables" they worshipped and deployed. And they DONT WORK if you dont spend a lot more money HOPELESSLY trying to MAKE them into REAL ALTERNATIVES.


But the FUNNIEST shit is that the SOURCE FOR ALL THIS is "Last summer, SOME COMMENTATORS".. REALLY ??? COMMENTATORS?? Not EXOTIC TATORS?? LOL...


As far as the Texas Brownouts go -- I have the charts. The Grid FAILED when the wind took a break for about 12 hours DURING a demand peak 15 to 20% ABOVE the projected max for the system .

Charts TRUMP --- "commentators".. OR notsocommontaters.

You're Grotesquely LYING again.
In fact, my Link is Fact/Number-Filled.
Your post above has virtually NONE! So it's not only a Lie, it's the Big Lie.

It gives NUMBERS for the Texas failure, and I bolded some.
It gives Stats under each of the 3 MYTHS and uses them AS the basis of debunking them.
ie, /again
"...During a brutal Texas cold snap last winter, Gov. Greg Abbott Wrongly blamed wind and solar power for the state’s massive grid failure, which was vastly larger than California’s. In fact, renewables outperformed the grid operator’s forecast during 90% of the blackout, and in the rest, fell short by at most one-fifteenth as much as gas plants. Instead, other causes — such as inadequately weatherized power plants and Natural Gas Shutting Down because of frozen equipment — led to most of the state’s electricity shortages...."

ie2

Myth No. 1: A grid that increasingly relies on renewable energy is an unreliable grid.​

​

Going by the cliché, “In God we trust; all others bring Data,[/b]..” it’s worth looking at the Statistics on grid reliability in countries with high levels of renewables.....The Indicator most often used to describe grid reliability is the average power outage duration experienced by each customer in a year, a Metric known by the tongue-tying name of “System Average Interruption Duration Index” (SAIDI). Based on this Metric, Germany — where renewables supply nearly Half of the country’s electricity — boasts a grid that is one of the most reliable in Europe and the world. In 2020, SAIDI was just 0.25 hours in Germany. Only Liechtenstein (0.08 hours), and Finland and Switzerland (0.2 hours), did better in Europe, where 2020 electricity generation was 38 percent renewable (ahead of the world’s 29 percent). Countries like France (0.35 hours) and Sweden (0.61 hours) — both far more reliant on nuclear power — did worse, for various reasons.[/B][/B]​

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The United States, where renewable energy and nuclear power each provide roughly 20 percent of electricity, had five times Germany’s outage rate — 1.28 hours in 2020. Since 2006, Germany’s renewable share of electricity generation has nearly Quadrupled, while its power outage rate was nearly Halved. Similarly, the Texas grid became more stable as its wind capacity sextupled from 2007 to 2020. Today, Texas generates more wind power — about a fifth of its total electricity — than any other state in the U.S.[/B]​

ie3

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Myth No. 2: Countries like Germany must continue to rely on fossil fuels to stabilize the grid and back up variable wind and solar power.​

Again, the official Data say otherwise."..."[/B]​

"....Between 2010 — the year before the Fukushima nuclear accident in Japan — and 2020, Germany’s generation from fossil fuels declined by 130.9 terawatt-hours and nuclear generation by 76.3 terawatt hours. These were more than offset by increased generation from renewables (149.5 terawatt hours) and energy savings that decreased consumption by 38 terawatt hours in 2019, before the pandemic cut economic activity, too. By 2020, Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions had declined by 42.3 percent below its 1990 levels, beating the target of 40 percent set in 2007. Emissions of carbon dioxide from just the power sector declined from 315 million tons in 2010 to 185 million tons in 2020.​

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So as the percentage of electricity generated by renewables in Germany steadily grew, its grid reliability improved, and its coal burning and greenhouse gas emissions substantially decreased.[/B]​

ie4

Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

​

"....Seasonal variations in water availability and, increasingly, drought reduce electricity output from hydroelectric dams. Nuclear plants must be shut down for refueling or maintenance, and big fossil and nuclear plants are typically out of action roughly 7 percent to 12 percent of the time, some much more. A coal plant’s fuel supply might be interrupted by the derailment of a train or failure of a bridge. A nuclear plant or fleet might unexpectedly have to be shut down for safety reasons, as was Japan’s biggest plant from 2007 to 2009. Every French nuclear plant was, on average, shut down for 96.2 days in 2019 due to “planned” or “forced unavailability.” That rose to 115.5 days in 2020, when French nuclear plants generated less than 65 percent of the electricity they theoretically could have produced. Comparing expected with actual performance, one might even say that nuclear power was France’s most intermittent 2020 source of electricity...."[/B]​

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So in FACT, my Link was "Number"/DATA Filled, Unlike your response.
Yet you, the 'senior' (and lying) Mod of shltsville, laughs at Yale!


EDIT: note the embarrassed Liar below trying to cover his Disastrous loss with a/another Multi-post.
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[flacaltenn]

Three Myths About Renewable Energy and the Grid, Debunked​

Yale School of Environment - 12/9/21

Renewable energy skeptics argue that because of their variability, wind and solar cannot be the foundation of a dependable electricity grid. But the expansion of renewables and new methods of energy management and storage can lead to a grid that is reliable and clean.
[......]
"...During a brutal Texas cold snap last winter, Gov. Greg Abbott Wrongly blamed wind and solar power for the state’s massive grid failure, which was vastly larger than California’s. In fact, renewables outperformed the grid operator’s forecast during 90% of the blackout, and in the rest, fell short by at most one-fifteenth as much as gas plants. Instead, other causes — such as inadequately weatherized power plants and Natural Gas Shutting Down because of frozen equipment — led to most of the state’s electricity shortages...."
[.......]

Myth No. 1: A grid that increasingly relies on renewable energy is an unreliable grid.​

Going by the cliché, “In God we trust; all others bring data,” it’s worth looking at the statistics on grid reliability in countries with high levels of renewables.....
[........]

Myth No. 2: Countries like Germany must continue to rely on fossil fuels to stabilize the grid and back up variable wind and solar power.​

Again, the official data say otherwise."..."
[........]

Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

While variable output is a challenge, it is neither new nor especially hard to manage."..."

[...........]

Three Myths About Renewable Energy and the Grid, Debunked

Renewable energy skeptics argue that because of their variability, wind and solar cannot be the foundation of a dependable electricity grid. But the expansion of renewables and new methods of energy management and storage can lead to a grid that is reliable and clean.

e360.yale.edu

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I stopped reading after Myth #1 - But I needed more laughter. So I checked out Myth #3 which reads like a Politifact SPIN machine. AGAIN void of ANY valuable analysis or numbers. LOVE the way they use a few days maintenance shut-down as a DIRECT COMPARISON to solar and wind that shut down 60% at ALL times of the week, month, year.

Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

While variable output is a challenge, it is neither new nor especially hard to manage. No kind of power plant runs 24/7, 365 days a year, and operating a grid always involves managing variability of demand at all times. Even with no solar and wind power (which tend to work dependably at different times and seasons, making shortfalls less likely), all electricity supply varies.
Seasonal variations in water availability and, increasingly, drought reduce electricity output from hydroelectric dams. Nuclear plants must be shut down for refueling or maintenance, and big fossil and nuclear plants are typically out of action roughly 7 percent to 12 percent of the time, some much more. A coal plant’s fuel supply might be interrupted by the derailment of a train or failure of a bridge.

ALL electricity generation VARIES WITH DEMAND. Some like nuclear run at operating levels VERY flat -- all the time except SCHEDULED refueling planned YEARS IN ADVANCE. When the wind dies -- you're LUCKY to get 10 minutes notice !!!!!!! The lie is -- "varies with demand" is LOT more easy to design with than "merely varies all the time" because the OPERATORS are DECREASING the constant output from generators to follow the customer LOAD.

Variations like "NOT BEING FUCKING AVAILABLE for 12 hours a day like SOLAR is -- can NOT be compared to "having a bridge out prevent coal from reaching a power plant". YOU CAN TRY to make those whimsical comparisons -- but the result is -- informed people are gonna be snickering and giggling at YALE and wonder what the hell happened to the Engineering Dept there.

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Propaganda for 6th graders and other defenseless beings.

 

[flacaltenn]

NOBODY EVER -- since Edison and Tesla sparred over an AC or DC grid -- HAVE EVER really contemplated or NEEDED to contemplate "Grid scale storage" for ANY of the power sources we've depended on since the lightbulb. There's never BEEN an issue of "sufficient storage" as the YALEY Mythies put forth --- with the exception of hydro facilities that are sensitive to drought conditions and must keep a dependable amount flowing downstream for the river critters and farmers.

All these excuses are deceptive or downright propaganda. It was written by people with about the same level of engineering/thinking skills as AOC and Bernie.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're Grotesquely LYING again.
In fact, my Link is Fact/Number-Filled.
Your post above has virtually NONE! So it's not only a Lie, it's the Big Lie.

It gives NUMBERS for the Texas failure, and I bolded some.
It gives Stats under each of the 3 MYTHS and uses them AS the basis of debunking them.
ie, /again
"...During a brutal Texas cold snap last winter, Gov. Greg Abbott Wrongly blamed wind and solar power for the state’s massive grid failure, which was vastly larger than California’s. In fact, renewables outperformed the grid operator’s forecast during 90% of the blackout, and in the rest, fell short by at most one-fifteenth as much as gas plants. Instead, other causes — such as inadequately weatherized power plants and Natural Gas Shutting Down because of frozen equipment — led to most of the state’s electricity shortages...."

ie2

Myth No. 1: A grid that increasingly relies on renewable energy is an unreliable grid.​

​

Going by the cliché, “In God we trust; all others bring Data,[/b]..” it’s worth looking at the Statistics on grid reliability in countries with high levels of renewables.....The Indicator most often used to describe grid reliability is the average power outage duration experienced by each customer in a year, a Metric known by the tongue-tying name of “System Average Interruption Duration Index” (SAIDI). Based on this Metric, Germany — where renewables supply nearly Half of the country’s electricity — boasts a grid that is one of the most reliable in Europe and the world. In 2020, SAIDI was just 0.25 hours in Germany. Only Liechtenstein (0.08 hours), and Finland and Switzerland (0.2 hours), did better in Europe, where 2020 electricity generation was 38 percent renewable (ahead of the world’s 29 percent). Countries like France (0.35 hours) and Sweden (0.61 hours) — both far more reliant on nuclear power — did worse, for various reasons.[/B][/B]​

​

The United States, where renewable energy and nuclear power each provide roughly 20 percent of electricity, had five times Germany’s outage rate — 1.28 hours in 2020. Since 2006, Germany’s renewable share of electricity generation has nearly Quadrupled, while its power outage rate was nearly Halved. Similarly, the Texas grid became more stable as its wind capacity sextupled from 2007 to 2020. Today, Texas generates more wind power — about a fifth of its total electricity — than any other state in the U.S.[/B]​

ie3

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Myth No. 2: Countries like Germany must continue to rely on fossil fuels to stabilize the grid and back up variable wind and solar power.​

Again, the official Data say otherwise."..."[/B]​

"....Between 2010 — the year before the Fukushima nuclear accident in Japan — and 2020, Germany’s generation from fossil fuels declined by 130.9 terawatt-hours and nuclear generation by 76.3 terawatt hours. These were more than offset by increased generation from renewables (149.5 terawatt hours) and energy savings that decreased consumption by 38 terawatt hours in 2019, before the pandemic cut economic activity, too. By 2020, Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions had declined by 42.3 percent below its 1990 levels, beating the target of 40 percent set in 2007. Emissions of carbon dioxide from just the power sector declined from 315 million tons in 2010 to 185 million tons in 2020.​

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So as the percentage of electricity generated by renewables in Germany steadily grew, its grid reliability improved, and its coal burning and greenhouse gas emissions substantially decreased.[/B]​

ie4

Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

​

"....Seasonal variations in water availability and, increasingly, drought reduce electricity output from hydroelectric dams. Nuclear plants must be shut down for refueling or maintenance, and big fossil and nuclear plants are typically out of action roughly 7 percent to 12 percent of the time, some much more. A coal plant’s fuel supply might be interrupted by the derailment of a train or failure of a bridge. A nuclear plant or fleet might unexpectedly have to be shut down for safety reasons, as was Japan’s biggest plant from 2007 to 2009. Every French nuclear plant was, on average, shut down for 96.2 days in 2019 due to “planned” or “forced unavailability.” That rose to 115.5 days in 2020, when French nuclear plants generated less than 65 percent of the electricity they theoretically could have produced. Comparing expected with actual performance, one might even say that nuclear power was France’s most intermittent 2020 source of electricity...."[/B]​

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So in FACT, my Link was "Number"/DATA Filled, Unlike your response.
Yet you, the 'senior' (and lying) Mod of shltsville, laughs at Yale!


EDIT: note the embarrassed Liar below trying to cover his Disastrous loss with a/another Multi-post.
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Thanks for an interesting link........

The slump in conventional power plants came largely at the expense of coal power. At many hours of the year, it was no longer competitive due to the cost of CO2 allowances, lower demand for electricity, reduced electricity exports and cost advantages of gas-fired power plants.

Are wind and solar really the cheapest in Germany, or did they just tax coal and subsidize wind and solar?

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[abu afak]

To the ldiot JPG TROLL MisterBeagle above.
This compared to ONE Wind Turbine!
You ****** Clown.
(I Have Already UTTERLY DESTROYED FlacalTeen.)


Satellite images reveal the scale of Nord Stream gas pipeline leak
Satellite data revealed that the Nord Stream gas leak was not as bad as it seemed, at least in the context of global annual methane...
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1 day ago

CNBC
Sweden says investigation into Russian pipeline leaks strengthens suspicion of ‘gross sabotage’
Sweden's Security Service said the investigation found there had been detonations at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Swedish...
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2 days ago

ABC News
Sweden seizes evidence at Baltic Sea pipeline leak site
Sweden's domestic security agency says its preliminary investigation of leaks from two Russian gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea “has...
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2 days ago

AP News
Sweden seizes evidence at Baltic Sea pipeline leak site
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Sweden's domestic security agency said Thursday that its preliminary investigation of leaks from two Russian gas...
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2 days ago

The Globe and Mail
Investigation of Nord Stream gas pipeline leak site finds evidence of detonations, Swedish police say
The Swedish Security Service said the evidence 'has strengthened the suspicions of gross sabotage' at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines.
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2 days ago
Satellites detect methane plume in Nord Stream leak

Financial Post
'Serious sabotage': Nord Stream leaks caused by detonation, Sweden probe finds
The Swedish Security Service stated that detonations caused the damage to the undersea Nord Stream pipeline system just outside its...
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[Grumblenuts]

To the ldiot JPG TROLL MisterBeagle above.
This compared to ONE Wind Turbine!
You ****** Clown.
(I Have Already UTTERLY DESTROYED FlacalTeen.)


Satellite images reveal the scale of Nord Stream gas pipeline leak
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Sweden says investigation into Russian pipeline leaks strengthens suspicion of ‘gross sabotage’
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Sweden seizes evidence at Baltic Sea pipeline leak site
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Sweden seizes evidence at Baltic Sea pipeline leak site
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Sweden's domestic security agency said Thursday that its preliminary investigation of leaks from two Russian gas...
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Investigation of Nord Stream gas pipeline leak site finds evidence of detonations, Swedish police say
The Swedish Security Service said the evidence 'has strengthened the suspicions of gross sabotage' at the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines.
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Satellites detect methane plume in Nord Stream leak
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'Serious sabotage': Nord Stream leaks caused by detonation, Sweden probe finds
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I haven't been paying much attention to this story, but it's plainly evident that someone detonated bombs after placing them under these pipelines. Just curious as to who you think did it? Does any theory about Russia sabotaging it themselves make sense?

 

[abu afak]

Our plains/plains states and Offshore are wide open, and most of Wind turbines are heavily in Farmer's fields where they get from $4000-$10,000 per turbine.
Farmers and Ranchers love it!

Renewable energy​

Oklahoma generated 45% of its total electricity from renewable resources in 2021.

Oklahoma generated 45% of its total in-state electricity from renewable resources in 2021, an increase from about 10% in 2011. About 91% of the state's renewable generation came from Wind energy, but other renewable energy resources contributed to in-state generation, including hydropower and, to a lesser extent, biomass and solar energy.85

In 2021, wind energy accounted for 41% of Oklahoma's total in-state electricity net generation, a larger share than in all but three other states—Iowa, South Dakota, and Kansas.86 megawatts of wind capacity, which was 85% of Oklahoma's total generating capacity from all renewable resources.

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

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[MisterBeale]

You're Grotesquely LYING again.
In fact, my Link is Fact/Number-Filled.
Your post above has virtually NONE! So it's not only a Lie, it's the Big Lie.

It gives NUMBERS for the Texas failure, and I bolded some.
It gives Stats under each of the 3 MYTHS and uses them AS the basis of debunking them.
ie, /again
"...During a brutal Texas cold snap last winter, Gov. Greg Abbott Wrongly blamed wind and solar power for the state’s massive grid failure, which was vastly larger than California’s. In fact, renewables outperformed the grid operator’s forecast during 90% of the blackout, and in the rest, fell short by at most one-fifteenth as much as gas plants. Instead, other causes — such as inadequately weatherized power plants and Natural Gas Shutting Down because of frozen equipment — led to most of the state’s electricity shortages...."

ie2

Myth No. 1: A grid that increasingly relies on renewable energy is an unreliable grid.​

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Going by the cliché, “In God we trust; all others bring Data,[/b]..” it’s worth looking at the Statistics on grid reliability in countries with high levels of renewables.....The Indicator most often used to describe grid reliability is the average power outage duration experienced by each customer in a year, a Metric known by the tongue-tying name of “System Average Interruption Duration Index” (SAIDI). Based on this Metric, Germany — where renewables supply nearly Half of the country’s electricity — boasts a grid that is one of the most reliable in Europe and the world. In 2020, SAIDI was just 0.25 hours in Germany. Only Liechtenstein (0.08 hours), and Finland and Switzerland (0.2 hours), did better in Europe, where 2020 electricity generation was 38 percent renewable (ahead of the world’s 29 percent). Countries like France (0.35 hours) and Sweden (0.61 hours) — both far more reliant on nuclear power — did worse, for various reasons.[/B][/B]​

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The United States, where renewable energy and nuclear power each provide roughly 20 percent of electricity, had five times Germany’s outage rate — 1.28 hours in 2020. Since 2006, Germany’s renewable share of electricity generation has nearly Quadrupled, while its power outage rate was nearly Halved. Similarly, the Texas grid became more stable as its wind capacity sextupled from 2007 to 2020. Today, Texas generates more wind power — about a fifth of its total electricity — than any other state in the U.S.[/B]​

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Myth No. 2: Countries like Germany must continue to rely on fossil fuels to stabilize the grid and back up variable wind and solar power.​

Again, the official Data say otherwise."..."[/B]​

"....Between 2010 — the year before the Fukushima nuclear accident in Japan — and 2020, Germany’s generation from fossil fuels declined by 130.9 terawatt-hours and nuclear generation by 76.3 terawatt hours. These were more than offset by increased generation from renewables (149.5 terawatt hours) and energy savings that decreased consumption by 38 terawatt hours in 2019, before the pandemic cut economic activity, too. By 2020, Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions had declined by 42.3 percent below its 1990 levels, beating the target of 40 percent set in 2007. Emissions of carbon dioxide from just the power sector declined from 315 million tons in 2010 to 185 million tons in 2020.​

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So as the percentage of electricity generated by renewables in Germany steadily grew, its grid reliability improved, and its coal burning and greenhouse gas emissions substantially decreased.[/B]​

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Myth No. 3: Because solar and wind energy can be generated only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, they cannot be the basis of a grid that has to provide electricity 24/7, year-round.​

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"....Seasonal variations in water availability and, increasingly, drought reduce electricity output from hydroelectric dams. Nuclear plants must be shut down for refueling or maintenance, and big fossil and nuclear plants are typically out of action roughly 7 percent to 12 percent of the time, some much more. A coal plant’s fuel supply might be interrupted by the derailment of a train or failure of a bridge. A nuclear plant or fleet might unexpectedly have to be shut down for safety reasons, as was Japan’s biggest plant from 2007 to 2009. Every French nuclear plant was, on average, shut down for 96.2 days in 2019 due to “planned” or “forced unavailability.” That rose to 115.5 days in 2020, when French nuclear plants generated less than 65 percent of the electricity they theoretically could have produced. Comparing expected with actual performance, one might even say that nuclear power was France’s most intermittent 2020 source of electricity...."[/B]​

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So in FACT, my Link was "Number"/DATA Filled, Unlike your response.
Yet you, the 'senior' (and lying) Mod of shltsville, laughs at Yale!


EDIT: note the embarrassed Liar below trying to cover his Disastrous loss with a/another Multi-post.
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Sure, the folks in Germany will have plenty of heat and electric this winter, all they need, they won't even need to conserve.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[abu afak]

Sure, the folks in Germany will have plenty of heat and electric this winter, all they need, they won't even need to conserve.

Germany's problem, alas, was relying on Russian Fossil Fuels/NG.
I realize you are NOT Capable of sober discussion and are a raging Troll with nonresponsive 'replies' and juvenile JPGs.
FlacalTeen and the mod squad here allow this Trolling because it is RW abuse and they are Dishonest

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[jc456]

Germany's problem, alas, was relying on Russian Fossil Fuels/NG.
I realize you are NOT Capable of sober discussion and are a raging Troll with nonresponsive 'replies' and juvenile JPGs.
FlacalTeen and the mod squad here allow this Trolling because it is RW abuse and they are Dishonest

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How was Germany getting renewables from Russia?

 

[abu afak]

healthmyths said:
Who the hell are YOU? Where is your sources, your links, etc.... What kind of stupid person make the statements like you did WHEN it is so easy to point out you are SO WRONG!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Ironic because or anti-renewable, ACC and AGW denier contingent here make noises as though they oppose "new world order" and "fascist elite" directed change while the public has actually had to push its leaders to replace the old fossil and nuclear garbage with renewables from day one.

The public doesn't know shit about "alternatives". Couldnt name more than 2 or 4. And other than Geothermal mining -- and the "disgraced" big hydro" generators -- NONE of them ARE "alternatives". THere's always a need to DUPLICATE new "renewable" generation with something that you push a button and it PRODUCES RELIABLY. IT's the cost of TWO GENERATORS when ONE of them is perfectly capable of cranking out watts forever and always. And the RENEWABLES? They crank watts when they "feel like it"...

Until "the public" solves that problem of SUBSIDIZING THE FUCK out wind and solar and leaving RELIABLE DELIVERY as "someone else's problem" -- you shouldn't be designing a national electrical system...