Pretti Shooting my opinion as a member of US Lawfare

You are the first Democrat on here to admit that it was a bad idea for Pretti to bring a gun when he intended to fight police!

Others have run away from that question like baby daddy's running from family court.
I think anyone who feels they need to carry a gun in public is a moron

But U.S. loves its gun culture
How else can you act like a Cowboy?

But Pretti has a right to carry and was following the law
Since he never drew the gun or reached for it, the shooting was not warranted
 
No you didn't.



Pretti never reached into a pocket.



None of the videos show this action. There is one frame in the Pink Lady video where his right arm is obscured by his body (from the video frame of reference). But in one frame its visible, the next is obscured in the video, and the next frame it is visible again. Time elapse a fraction of a second. This in context while he is on the ground/knees being manhandled by multiple DHS agents.



Now during the entire context of the event, from the very beginning Pretti is holding his cell phone in his right hand. During the frames in question he is still holding his cell phone, his body obscures his arm, and when the arm a fraction of a second later is visible again it is STILL holding the cell phone.



You cannot "reach into pocket" holding a 6x3 cell phone, grab a pistol, while still holding the cell phone grab the pistol and then hold the pistol in a manner suitable for shooting. You would have to drop the cell phone, which Pretti never did.







Not lying, just not agreeing with your made up stuff based on one frame of a video.



You claim makes no logical sense to a reasonable person.







The officer saw the firearm (which Pretti never attempted to draw) during the scrum when Pretti coat got shifted up while on the ground.







My statements aren't counter factual, they are based on the videos.







No, just I and the facts don't agree with your made up stuff.







Possible. But that is a judgement call irrelevant to the facts available to a reasonable person. Law enforcement DOE NOT get to guess about motivations, they have to deal with the reality of what is in front of them.



The reality is that 4-5 officers had Pretti
You cannot "reach into pocket" holding a 6x3 cell phone, grab a pistol, while still holding the cell phone grab the pistol and then hold the pistol in a manner suitable for shooting. You would have to drop the cell phone, which Pretti never did.
What the ICE Officers who shot Pretti saw was a man reach toward his pocket while other officers were yelling "gun gun gun." They were yelling that for no other reason than that the assailant had a gun.

You seem to think that they should have waited until he started shooting at them before returning fire.

The officer saw the firearm (which Pretti never attempted to draw) during the scrum when Pretti coat got shifted up while on the ground.
Pretty did not know that in wrestling with law enforcement officers, his jacket might be shifted?

Are you trying to make a case for his being mentally challenged?
Possible. But that is a judgement call irrelevant to the facts available to a reasonable person. Law enforcement DOE NOT get to guess about motivations, they have to deal with the reality of what is in front of them.
Exactly!

They do not get to guess whether the armed assailant has another gun that he is reaching for. The penalty for such a mistake could well be death for themselves and their partners.
The reality is that 4-5 officers had Pretti face down in a scrum and under control, an officer removed a discovered firearm and exited the scrum, the now unarmed Pretti was shot in the back.
That is correct.One firearm was removed and an unknown number were still on his person.

True or false, and this is a simple one: if Pretti had relaxed and let them pat him down, he would be alive today.

Since I know you will not enter, I will answer for you:

True.

There has to be something wrong with him. Suicidality seems more realistic than the incredible stupidity.It would take to act the way he did expecting a good outcome.

Of course.We will never know because the media is too busy, making him a saint to actually report the truth about him.

And in fact, we don't need to know. We need to know that our law enforcement officers will protect themselves from an out of control person with a firearm.

No, he was absolutely not under control.He was still fighting.
 
I think anyone who feels they need to carry a gun in public is a moron

But U.S. loves its gun culture
How else can you act like a Cowboy?

But Pretti has a right to carry and was following the law
Since he never drew the gun or reached for it, the shooting was not warranted
True or false: If Pretti had stopped fighting and let the officers oat him down, he would be alive today.
 
True or false: If Pretti had stopped fighting and let the officers oat him down, he would be alive today.
False Pretti was turtled face down blinded by pepper spray, hands palms down no ability to resist or be a threat and then he was shot.
 
What the ICE Officers who shot Pretti saw was a man reach toward his pocket while other officers were yelling "gun gun gun." They were yelling that for no other reason than that the assailant had a gun.

You seem to think that they should have waited until he started shooting at them before returning fire.


Pretty did not know that in wrestling with law enforcement officers, his jacket might be shifted?

Are you trying to make a case for his being mentally challenged?

Exactly!

They do not get to guess whether the armed assailant has another gun that he is reaching for. The penalty for such a mistake could well be death for themselves and their partners.

That is correct.One firearm was removed and an unknown number were still on his person.

True or false, and this is a simple one: if Pretti had relaxed and let them pat him down, he would be alive today.

Since I know you will not enter, I will answer for you:

True.

There has to be something wrong with him. Suicidality seems more realistic than the incredible stupidity.It would take to act the way he did expecting a good outcome.

Of course.We will never know because the media is too busy, making him a saint to actually report the truth about him.

And in fact, we don't need to know. We need to know that our law enforcement officers will protect themselves from an out of control person with a firearm.

No, he was absolutely not under control.He was still fighting.
False watch this analysis frame by frame
 
What the ICE Officers who shot Pretti saw was a man reach toward his pocket while other officers were yelling "gun gun gun." They were yelling that for no other reason than that the assailant had a gun.

You seem to think that they should have waited until he started shooting at them before returning fire.


Pretty did not know that in wrestling with law enforcement officers, his jacket might be shifted?

Are you trying to make a case for his being mentally challenged?

Exactly!

They do not get to guess whether the armed assailant has another gun that he is reaching for. The penalty for such a mistake could well be death for themselves and their partners.

That is correct.One firearm was removed and an unknown number were still on his person.

True or false, and this is a simple one: if Pretti had relaxed and let them pat him down, he would be alive today.

Since I know you will not enter, I will answer for you:

True.

There has to be something wrong with him. Suicidality seems more realistic than the incredible stupidity.It would take to act the way he did expecting a good outcome.

Of course.We will never know because the media is too busy, making him a saint to actually report the truth about him.

And in fact, we don't need to know. We need to know that our law enforcement officers will protect themselves from an out of control person with a firearm.

No, he was absolutely not under control.He was still fighting.
Yes he was
 
He was reaching toward his right pocket. i showed you a still from your own video with his hand either right on his pocket or less than an inch away.

When you find yourself having to lie this much.It means that the truth does not support your position.

Of course he did. How else would the officers have seen it?

These counterfactual arguments from you are getting silly.

Are you trolling at this point?

The gunman was either a complete idiot or his actions were suicide by cop.
Leftoids always resort to trolling when they are losing.
 
What the ICE Officers who shot Pretti saw was a man reach toward his pocket while other officers were yelling "gun gun gun." They were yelling that for no other reason than that the assailant had a gun.

You seem to think that they should have waited until he started shooting at them before returning fire.


Pretty did not know that in wrestling with law enforcement officers, his jacket might be shifted?

Are you trying to make a case for his being mentally challenged?

Exactly!

They do not get to guess whether the armed assailant has another gun that he is reaching for. The penalty for such a mistake could well be death for themselves and their partners.

That is correct.One firearm was removed and an unknown number were still on his person.

True or false, and this is a simple one: if Pretti had relaxed and let them pat him down, he would be alive today.

Since I know you will not enter, I will answer for you:

True.

There has to be something wrong with him. Suicidality seems more realistic than the incredible stupidity.It would take to act the way he did expecting a good outcome.

Of course.We will never know because the media is too busy, making him a saint to actually report the truth about him.

And in fact, we don't need to know. We need to know that our law enforcement officers will protect themselves from an out of control person with a firearm.

No, he was absolutely not under control.He was still fighting.

Funny.

Did you support Lt. Byrd when Congress was attacked and a member of the violent mob tried to access Congressperson doing their Constitutionally mandated duty and the individual had a backpack on which ** MIGHT ** have contained an explosive device similar to backpack bombs used by the Boston Marathon bombers?

WW
 
It is despicable that Democrats are trying to
make these officers into murderers, just because they are out trying to earn a living for their families, enforce the law and stay alive in the process.

Pretti was out to attack Law Enforcement Officers on behalf of lawbreakers.

if you look up FAFO in the online dictionary, his picture should be there by now.


False Pretti was turtled face down blinded by pepper spray, hands palms down no ability to resist or be a threat and then he was shot.
That is a li.

He was still fighting and they were not able to pat him down.

He was not "turtled" whatever that means.
 
True or false: If Pretti had stopped fighting and let the officers oat him down, he would be alive today.

Yes, Pretti had "stopped" fighting because he was blinded and in pain from multiple application of OC spray to the face and was face down being restrained by 4-5 DHS Agents who were dragging him around and manhandling him as he delt with the pain, blindness, and breathing caused by the spray.

(Is this where you now claim he * * MIGHT ** have hopped up on PCP so the spray had no effect?)

WW
 
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It is despicable that Democrats are trying to
make these officers into murderers, just because they are out trying to earn a living for their families, enforce the law and stay alive in the process.

Pretti was out to attack Law Enforcement Officers on behalf of lawbreakers.

if you look up FAFO in the online dictionary, his picture should be there by now.


That is a li.

He was still fighting and they were not able to pat him down.

He was not "turtled" whatever that means.
Face down palms in front down cell phone in right hand he was blinded by the pepper spray, left leg in the air held by an agent he was helpless then he was shot. Watch this video
 
I think anyone who can't figure out if they are a boy or a girl is mentally ill.

Everyone has an opinion.
I let them figure it out themselves
None of my business
 

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