Prediction of global temperature for 2017-2024

[jc456]

there is also this from Wikipedia:

"In 1738, Swiss physicist and mathematician Daniel Bernoulli published Hydrodynamica which laid the basis for the kinetic theory of gases. In this work, Bernoulli posited the argument, still used to this day, that gases consist of great numbers of molecules moving in all directions, that their impact on a surface causes the gas pressure that we feel, and that what we experience as heat is simply the kinetic energy of their motion.[5]"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's called fusion. Is fusion the reason the 6000 K surface of the Sun can emit to the 500,000 K corona?

Don't the smart photons know the corona is too hot? Durr.

no the photons are moving because the sun is cooking. The hydro fusion emits them just like a stove to a hot plate. What do you supposed happens when the hydro fusion stops? DOH!! that hot corona ain't gonna help. oops.

no the photons are moving because the sun is cooking

The Sun's surface isn't "cooking". No fusion at the surface.

the core is, and well.

BTW, again with miss quoting me. You sure like to do that.

The surface isn't doing any work to radiate to the hotter corona.

You never explained how CO2 cools the Earth without radiating.

I did.

You mean your claim that CO2 absorbs heat and then escapes the planet?

Was that a serious claim?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's called fusion. Is fusion the reason the 6000 K surface of the Sun can emit to the 500,000 K corona?

Don't the smart photons know the corona is too hot? Durr.

no the photons are moving because the sun is cooking. The hydro fusion emits them just like a stove to a hot plate. What do you supposed happens when the hydro fusion stops? DOH!! that hot corona ain't gonna help. oops.

no the photons are moving because the sun is cooking

The Sun's surface isn't "cooking". No fusion at the surface.

the core is, and well.

BTW, again with miss quoting me. You sure like to do that.

The surface isn't doing any work to radiate to the hotter corona.

You never explained how CO2 cools the Earth without radiating.

the fusion is at the core.

Yes. And at the surface, photons are going from cooler to hotter.

 

[SSDD]

That is not an interpretation. That comes from the definition of entropy.
.

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

link!

Look up statistical mechanics

i found this from university of texas. Thermodynamics & Statistical Mechanics:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/statmech.pdf

"Many people are drawn to Physics because they want to understand why the
world around us is like it is. For instance, why the sky is blue, why raindrops are
spherical, why we do not fall through the floor, etc. It turns out that statistical
thermodynamics can explain more things about the world around us than all
of the other physical theories studied in the undergraduate Physics curriculum
put together. For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies, why the air becomes thinner and colder at higher altitudes,
why the Sun appears yellow whereas colder stars appear red and hotter stars
appear bluish-white, why it is impossible to measure a temperature below -273
centigrade, why there is a maximum theoretical efficiency of a power generation
unit which can never be exceeded no matter what the design, why high mass
stars must ultimately collapse to form black-holes, and much more!"

For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies,

They could have said, "we shall explain why radiation flows from
hot to cold bodies", but they didn't.

It's weird, but that doesn't prove your silly claim. You'd think, that if "heat" and "radiation"
were interchangeable, that you could find some actual backup for your claim.

 

[Crick]

Or why they didn't say heat flows ONLY from hot bodies to cold bodies.

 

[jc456]

no the photons are moving because the sun is cooking. The hydro fusion emits them just like a stove to a hot plate. What do you supposed happens when the hydro fusion stops? DOH!! that hot corona ain't gonna help. oops.

no the photons are moving because the sun is cooking

The Sun's surface isn't "cooking". No fusion at the surface.

the core is, and well.

BTW, again with miss quoting me. You sure like to do that.

The surface isn't doing any work to radiate to the hotter corona.

You never explained how CO2 cools the Earth without radiating.

the fusion is at the core.

Yes. And at the surface, photons are going from cooler to hotter.

With work, Derp

 

[jc456]

link!

Look up statistical mechanics

i found this from university of texas. Thermodynamics & Statistical Mechanics:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/statmech.pdf

"Many people are drawn to Physics because they want to understand why the
world around us is like it is. For instance, why the sky is blue, why raindrops are
spherical, why we do not fall through the floor, etc. It turns out that statistical
thermodynamics can explain more things about the world around us than all
of the other physical theories studied in the undergraduate Physics curriculum
put together. For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies, why the air becomes thinner and colder at higher altitudes,
why the Sun appears yellow whereas colder stars appear red and hotter stars
appear bluish-white, why it is impossible to measure a temperature below -273
centigrade, why there is a maximum theoretical efficiency of a power generation
unit which can never be exceeded no matter what the design, why high mass
stars must ultimately collapse to form black-holes, and much more!"

For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies,

They could have said, "we shall explain why radiation flows from
hot to cold bodies", but they didn't.

It's weird, but that doesn't prove your silly claim. You'd think, that if "heat" and "radiation"
were interchangeable, that you could find some actual backup for your claim.

Maybe you could find one for your silly claim

 

[jc456]

link!

Look up statistical mechanics

i found this from university of texas. Thermodynamics & Statistical Mechanics:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/statmech.pdf

"Many people are drawn to Physics because they want to understand why the
world around us is like it is. For instance, why the sky is blue, why raindrops are
spherical, why we do not fall through the floor, etc. It turns out that statistical
thermodynamics can explain more things about the world around us than all
of the other physical theories studied in the undergraduate Physics curriculum
put together. For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies, why the air becomes thinner and colder at higher altitudes,
why the Sun appears yellow whereas colder stars appear red and hotter stars
appear bluish-white, why it is impossible to measure a temperature below -273
centigrade, why there is a maximum theoretical efficiency of a power generation
unit which can never be exceeded no matter what the design, why high mass
stars must ultimately collapse to form black-holes, and much more!"

For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies,

They could have said, "we shall explain why radiation flows from
hot to cold bodies", but they didn't.

It's weird, but that doesn't prove your silly claim. You'd think, that if "heat" and "radiation"
were interchangeable, that you could find some actual backup for your claim.

They could have, but didn't!

 

[Wuwei]

That is not an interpretation. That comes from the definition of entropy.

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

Where in the expression of entropy does it say that radiation is only a one-way flow of EM energy or radiation exchange is not possible. There is no scientific publication that gives entropy that caveat. The thermodynamic expression of entropy does not indicate in any way how energy flows, it simply means the state of "randomness" increases.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

link!

Look up statistical mechanics

i found this from university of texas. Thermodynamics & Statistical Mechanics:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/statmech.pdf

"Many people are drawn to Physics because they want to understand why the
world around us is like it is. For instance, why the sky is blue, why raindrops are
spherical, why we do not fall through the floor, etc. It turns out that statistical
thermodynamics can explain more things about the world around us than all
of the other physical theories studied in the undergraduate Physics curriculum
put together. For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies, why the air becomes thinner and colder at higher altitudes,
why the Sun appears yellow whereas colder stars appear red and hotter stars
appear bluish-white, why it is impossible to measure a temperature below -273
centigrade, why there is a maximum theoretical efficiency of a power generation
unit which can never be exceeded no matter what the design, why high mass
stars must ultimately collapse to form black-holes, and much more!"

For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies,

They could have said, "we shall explain why radiation flows from
hot to cold bodies", but they didn't.

It's weird, but that doesn't prove your silly claim. You'd think, that if "heat" and "radiation"
were interchangeable, that you could find some actual backup for your claim.

Maybe you could find one for your silly claim

Here's my backup.

Stefan–Boltzmann law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So tell me more about CO2 escaping the atmosphere.

Or does it cool the planet in some other magical way?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

link!

Look up statistical mechanics

i found this from university of texas. Thermodynamics & Statistical Mechanics:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/sm1/statmech.pdf

"Many people are drawn to Physics because they want to understand why the
world around us is like it is. For instance, why the sky is blue, why raindrops are
spherical, why we do not fall through the floor, etc. It turns out that statistical
thermodynamics can explain more things about the world around us than all
of the other physical theories studied in the undergraduate Physics curriculum
put together. For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies, why the air becomes thinner and colder at higher altitudes,
why the Sun appears yellow whereas colder stars appear red and hotter stars
appear bluish-white, why it is impossible to measure a temperature below -273
centigrade, why there is a maximum theoretical efficiency of a power generation
unit which can never be exceeded no matter what the design, why high mass
stars must ultimately collapse to form black-holes, and much more!"

For instance, in this course we shall explain why heat flows from
hot to cold bodies,

They could have said, "we shall explain why radiation flows from
hot to cold bodies", but they didn't.

It's weird, but that doesn't prove your silly claim. You'd think, that if "heat" and "radiation"
were interchangeable, that you could find some actual backup for your claim.

They could have, but didn't!

Because if they had, they'd be wrong, like you.

 

[westwall]

That is not an interpretation. That comes from the definition of entropy.

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

Where in the expression of entropy does it say that radiation is only a one-way flow of EM energy or radiation exchange is not possible. There is no scientific publication that gives entropy that caveat. The thermodynamic expression of entropy does not indicate in any way how energy flows, it simply means the state of "randomness" increases.

The flow of energy is one way. From heat (order) to cold (randomness). Your understanding of entropy is very.........inaccurate.

"If a glass of hot liquid, for example, as shown in Figure 3, is placed in a colder room a potential exists and a flow of heat is spontaneously produced from the cup to the room until it is minimized (or the entropy is maximized) at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."




Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is not an interpretation. That comes from the definition of entropy.

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

Where in the expression of entropy does it say that radiation is only a one-way flow of EM energy or radiation exchange is not possible. There is no scientific publication that gives entropy that caveat. The thermodynamic expression of entropy does not indicate in any way how energy flows, it simply means the state of "randomness" increases.

The flow of energy is one way. From heat (order) to cold (randomness). Your understanding of entropy is very.........inaccurate.

"If a glass of hot liquid, for example, as shown in Figure 3, is placed in a colder room a potential exists and a flow of heat is spontaneously produced from the cup to the room until it is minimized (or the entropy is maximized) at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."




Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."

What about radiation? Don't the cup and room radiate as long as they are above 0 K?

 

[westwall]

That is not an interpretation. That comes from the definition of entropy.

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

Where in the expression of entropy does it say that radiation is only a one-way flow of EM energy or radiation exchange is not possible. There is no scientific publication that gives entropy that caveat. The thermodynamic expression of entropy does not indicate in any way how energy flows, it simply means the state of "randomness" increases.

The flow of energy is one way. From heat (order) to cold (randomness). Your understanding of entropy is very.........inaccurate.

"If a glass of hot liquid, for example, as shown in Figure 3, is placed in a colder room a potential exists and a flow of heat is spontaneously produced from the cup to the room until it is minimized (or the entropy is maximized) at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."




Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."

What about radiation? Don't the cup and room radiate as long as they are above 0 K?

Yes, until the whole universe reaches Absolute Zero when all motion, even molecular, stops.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is not an interpretation. That comes from the definition of entropy.

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

Where in the expression of entropy does it say that radiation is only a one-way flow of EM energy or radiation exchange is not possible. There is no scientific publication that gives entropy that caveat. The thermodynamic expression of entropy does not indicate in any way how energy flows, it simply means the state of "randomness" increases.

The flow of energy is one way. From heat (order) to cold (randomness). Your understanding of entropy is very.........inaccurate.

"If a glass of hot liquid, for example, as shown in Figure 3, is placed in a colder room a potential exists and a flow of heat is spontaneously produced from the cup to the room until it is minimized (or the entropy is maximized) at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."




Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."

What about radiation? Don't the cup and room radiate as long as they are above 0 K?

Yes, until the whole universe reaches Absolute Zero when all motion, even molecular, stops.

So matter can radiate toward warmer matter......because photons don't have thermometers.

 

[JoeMoma]

I made a A in Thermodynamics after I failed it the first time. That was over 25 years ago. It is my understanding that an object is space will radiate energy regardless of any other objects.

Let's say we have a system with only two objects, object 1 and object 2. Let's assume these objects are in a vacum and separated (not touching) so there is no conduction or convection heat transfer. Then the change in heat energy for object 1 will be
- energy radiated from object 1 + energy radiated from object 2 to object 1.

 

[Wuwei]

The flow of energy is one way. From heat (order) to cold (randomness). Your understanding of entropy is very.........inaccurate.

"If a glass of hot liquid, for example, as shown in Figure 3, is placed in a colder room a potential exists and a flow of heat is spontaneously produced from the cup to the room until it is minimized (or the entropy is maximized) at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."

You are preaching to the choir. Tell SSDD that. He needs to hear it again.

 

[Wuwei]

Yes, until the whole universe reaches Absolute Zero when all motion, even molecular, stops.

The whole universe? Do you know that's it's not impossible for anything to reach absolute zero. What happens to all the energy of the universe. You want to violate the conservation of energy too? My gosh, and you are a moderator of a thread that involves science. You guys always amaze me.

 

[JoeMoma]

Of course it is an interpretation..but it still doesn't get energy moving spontaneously from cool to warm...and back radiation simply doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it did....and the greenhouse hypothesis is bullshit...

Where in the expression of entropy does it say that radiation is only a one-way flow of EM energy or radiation exchange is not possible. There is no scientific publication that gives entropy that caveat. The thermodynamic expression of entropy does not indicate in any way how energy flows, it simply means the state of "randomness" increases.

The flow of energy is one way. From heat (order) to cold (randomness). Your understanding of entropy is very.........inaccurate.

"If a glass of hot liquid, for example, as shown in Figure 3, is placed in a colder room a potential exists and a flow of heat is spontaneously produced from the cup to the room until it is minimized (or the entropy is maximized) at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."




Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics

at which point the temperatures are the same and all flows stop."

What about radiation? Don't the cup and room radiate as long as they are above 0 K?

Yes, until the whole universe reaches Absolute Zero when all motion, even molecular, stops.

So matter can radiate toward warmer matter......because photons don't have thermometers.

Yes, but the heat transfer from the warmer object will overpower the heat transfer from the cooler object.