PredFan explains it all.

[Vox]

Fellow Conservatives:

John Boehner has been fighting with Conservatives lately, and I know, sometimes it looks like he's a Democrat in Republican clothing, but there is a method to his madness. Now don't get me wrong, Boehner is an idiot and is just about as far from a true conservative as one can get and still be hated by the left. I'm not going to support the guy, I just know what he's trying to do.

This is all about winning back the Senate and keeping the House. He wants the coming election campaigning to be all about Benghazi and Obamacare. He doesn't want the Democrats to have any ammunition to throw back at the GOP. He doesn't want a government shutdown, or a budget battle or, and I'm making a prediction here, a fight over immigration. I predict that soon, there will be a compromise on immigration as well.

Boehner is almost like the Democrats in many ways but in this case he's borrowing a particularly disgusting page from the DNC playbook. Like them, he doesn't give a rat's ass about the country, about the people, about the budget or about conservative principles. He wants to win, and he is following the playbook to the letter. Like the democrats have always done, it's damn the country, damn the people, let's gain and hold on to power.

That's what we can expect from the establishment GOP from now until the elections are over. Let's join them in railing against obamacare and the tragedy at Benghazi, and then let's vote them out in the primaries.

agree completely and hope they pass the budget.

we do not need any distractions NOW - we need the ability to win back the Senate and then we can kill obamacare.

hope they can explain that to the most resistant - that the truce on one battle does not mean the war is lost.
There are tactics and strategy.

Boehner is playing strategy here.

If we win back the Senate, watch the GOP not kill or defund, or repeal Obamacare. You read it here first people.

you do not even need to repeal it totally. you just make some strategic changes to kill - there are many tricks.

It won't help people for the next 2 years until it is done - but the hatred over this major burglary IS getting in its' force.

obama and his minions forced the consumer to buy a junk unworthy product which has to be paid five to ten times more the good policies we had before.
typical mafia style racket.

 

[Vox]

And truthfully, nobody on Capitol Hill cares about America, they look after their own hides. It's becoming increasingly evident.

that's a given.

but the ones which let people live also - and it is NEVER dimocraps, because those always rip off the middle class( however, not like this time around - this is unprecedented) - should replace the scum of the Earth from the left we have now.

people would not view their representatives as Knights on the white horses.
there never will be the ones which are "caring about America" in the real self-sacrificial sense. Don't count on it.

Bu as long as we can get people which understand that the taxpayer has had enough and needs some room to breathe as well - that is already a big progress.

 

[Black_Label]

But, when and if works, then it is high time that the Republican whores in Congress quit whoring and do something for the next generation of Americans---like balancing the budget and cutting this profligate spending.

If that's what you want, vote democratic. All the GOP ever does spend the nation into oblivion and destroys the economy.

............................

Phoooey.

Liberals Democrats today=Socialists

Centrist Democrats today=Don't Exist

Centrist Republicans today=Democrats of 25 years ageo

Conservative Republicans today=Jeffersonians.

The Socialist have had 5 years. And everything is a mess.

Time for the Jeffersonians. Balanced budget. Term limits on Congress.

Liberals Democrats today= There basically are none, and are standard democrats

Centrist Democrats today= Republicans

Centrist Republicans today= Far right wing nutcases

Conservative Republicans today= Radical right wing fascists

The fascists have done nothing but send the debt soaring and the economy into the toilet. Reagan = massive debts and spending.
Bush = massive debts and spending.
Clinton = controlled spending and a soaring economy
W = insane spending and massive debts.

Time for the Clinton fiscal plans to come back into plan. Balanced budget. Term limits on Congress.

 

[Darkwind]

Fellow Conservatives:

John Boehner has been fighting with Conservatives lately, and I know, sometimes it looks like he's a Democrat in Republican clothing, but there is a method to his madness. Now don't get me wrong, Boehner is an idiot and is just about as far from a true conservative as one can get and still be hated by the left. I'm not going to support the guy, I just know what he's trying to do.

This is all about winning back the Senate and keeping the House. He wants the coming election campaigning to be all about Benghazi and Obamacare. He doesn't want the Democrats to have any ammunition to throw back at the GOP. He doesn't want a government shutdown, or a budget battle or, and I'm making a prediction here, a fight over immigration. I predict that soon, there will be a compromise on immigration as well.

Boehner is almost like the Democrats in many ways but in this case he's borrowing a particularly disgusting page from the DNC playbook. Like them, he doesn't give a rat's ass about the country, about the people, about the budget or about conservative principles. He wants to win, and he is following the playbook to the letter. Like the democrats have always done, it's damn the country, damn the people, let's gain and hold on to power.

That's what we can expect from the establishment GOP from now until the elections are over. Let's join them in railing against obamacare and the tragedy at Benghazi, and then let's vote them out in the primaries.

agree completely and hope they pass the budget.

we do not need any distractions NOW - we need the ability to win back the Senate and then we can kill obamacare.

hope they can explain that to the most resistant - that the truce on one battle does not mean the war is lost.
There are tactics and strategy.

Boehner is playing strategy here.

If we win back the Senate, watch the GOP not kill or defund, or repeal Obamacare. You read it here first people.

Of course not. It is mathematically impossible for the GOP to win a 'veto proof' majority in the Senate.

So, that means that Boners has his eyes on the wrong target.

 

[S.J.]

What good is a Republican majority if they end up caving in on everything Obama wants, just for the sake of holding onto their majority? Obama will continue to win, regardless of the makeup of Congress. Rinos like Boehner, McCain, Graham, etc. will keep capitulating and compromising until we're living under a communist dictatorship (which isn't very far off).

 

[PredFan]

How does Benghazi relate to the midterms? None of the congressmen had anything to do with it.

It doesn't, the right wing propaganda machine has been trying to make a mountain out of a molehill for months and months and only their sheep are buying the propaganda.

Four Americans died = Molehill

Only in the deranged liberal mind.

 

[Vox]

agree completely and hope they pass the budget.

we do not need any distractions NOW - we need the ability to win back the Senate and then we can kill obamacare.

hope they can explain that to the most resistant - that the truce on one battle does not mean the war is lost.
There are tactics and strategy.

Boehner is playing strategy here.

If we win back the Senate, watch the GOP not kill or defund, or repeal Obamacare. You read it here first people.

Of course not. It is mathematically impossible for the GOP to win a 'veto proof' majority in the Senate.

So, that means that Boners has his eyes on the wrong target.

you do not need one. you just need a simple majority.
we are post nuclear option - remember?

many appointees which can be approved by simple majority and some other rules can be all what is necessary to sabotage this crap.

You guys are like teenagers - maximalists.

and the win in such situations is often without fanfare, but Machiavelli style.
Congress and Senate can do A LOT to block a LOT.

if they have the majority.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Dear Conservatives,

Quit making demands that could have only been met with a GOP House, 60 GOP Senators, and President Mitt Romney.

You tried to get your way last fall, and it was a flop. It failed. It went over like The Sound of Music, live on NBC. You lost the Presidential vote, and didn't win control of the Senate, and yet you still made demands that weren't even considered during the years of the last GOP Congress and George Dumbya Boosh, The Cross-Eyed War Monkey.

Culling as many poor people from government assistance as possible because "Super Awesome America Freedom", and then bombing Iran over Iran's maybe having a WMD program because "Moooslims", might someday happen. But you'll have to do better at the election polls.

This budget deal is the best you can do. The GOP should have agreed to something like it a long time ago.

 

[Vox]

What good is a Republican majority if they end up caving in on everything Obama wants, just for the sake of holding onto their majority? Obama will continue to win, regardless of the makeup of Congress. Rinos like Boehner, McCain, Graham, etc. will keep capitulating and compromising until we're living under a communist dictatorship (which isn't very far off).

OK, go rip your hair off, put ashes on the skull and crawl slowly to the cemetery - America is dead.

( sorry, this pathological pessimism is making me mad. it is nice to stand by principles, but it is even better to WIN no matter what than to lose with principles all the time. isn't that time to finally LEARN whom we are dealing with and to put aside the honorable knight's methods?)

 

[TemplarKormac]

How does Benghazi relate to the midterms? None of the congressmen had anything to do with it.

Oh, believe me, when you abandon your own countrymen like that, people won't forget it. He's already abandoned them, now he's abandoned an American Pastor in Iran; not even attempting to fight for his release. If the people have their way, they'll put people in office who actually give a damn about their fellow Americans.

Sadly Ronald Reagan is long gone and I don't see another.

You'd be surprised, my friend.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

How does Benghazi relate to the midterms? None of the congressmen had anything to do with it.

Oh, believe me, when you abandon your own countrymen like that, people won't forget it. He's already abandoned them, now he's abandoned an American Pastor in Iran; not even attempting to fight for his release. If the people have their way, they'll put people in office who actually give a damn about their fellow Americans.

Sort of like how these guys were abandoned?
Did you even KNOW they were abandoned in the first place?


This Year, Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan

More private contractors than soldiers were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent months, the first time in history that corporate casualties have outweighed military losses on America’s battlefields.

More than 250 civilians working under U.S. contracts died in the war zones between January and June 2010, according to a ProPublica analysis of the most recent data available from the U.S. Department of Labor, which tracks contractor deaths. In the same period, 235 soldiers died, according to Pentagon figures.

This Year, Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan - ProPublica


You're a trained seal for the 24/7 news cycle. Sit up, clap, here comes another bucket of chum.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This is all about winning back the Senate and keeping the House. He wants the coming election campaigning to be all about Benghazi and Obamacare. He doesn't want the Democrats to have any ammunition to throw back at the GOP. He doesn't want a government shutdown, or a budget battle or, and I'm making a prediction here, a fight over immigration. I predict that soon, there will be a compromise on immigration as well.

Boehner is a mainstream Republican Speaker who finally realized his far right reactionaries had to be told "no" no matter how much screaming they do. He finally he realized he does not need their votes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Dear Conservatives,

Quit making demands that could have only been met with a GOP House, 60 GOP Senators, and President Mitt Romney.

You tried to get your way last fall, and it was a flop. It failed. It went over like The Sound of Music, live on NBC. You lost the Presidential vote, and didn't win control of the Senate, and yet you still made demands that weren't even considered during the years of the last GOP Congress and George Dumbya Boosh, The Cross-Eyed War Monkey.

Culling as many poor people from government assistance as possible because "Super Awesome America Freedom", and then bombing Iran over Iran's maybe having a WMD program because "Moooslims", might someday happen. But you'll have to do better at the election polls.

This budget deal is the best you can do. The GOP should have agreed to something like it a long time ago.

The budget deal is something Democrats failed to agree to for the better part of five years! They should have proposed a budget a long, long time ago.

 

[TemplarKormac]

How does Benghazi relate to the midterms? None of the congressmen had anything to do with it.

Oh, believe me, when you abandon your own countrymen like that, people won't forget it. He's already abandoned them, now he's abandoned an American Pastor in Iran; not even attempting to fight for his release. If the people have their way, they'll put people in office who actually give a damn about their fellow Americans.

Sort of like how these guys were abandoned?
Did you even KNOW they were abandoned in the first place?


This Year, Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan

More private contractors than soldiers were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent months, the first time in history that corporate casualties have outweighed military losses on America’s battlefields.

More than 250 civilians working under U.S. contracts died in the war zones between January and June 2010, according to a ProPublica analysis of the most recent data available from the U.S. Department of Labor, which tracks contractor deaths. In the same period, 235 soldiers died, according to Pentagon figures.

This Year, Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan - ProPublica


You're a trained seal for the 24/7 news cycle. Sit up, clap, here comes another bucket of chum.

I am no such thing. But I know this is irrelevant banter. Be silent, parrot.

 

[Vox]

This is all about winning back the Senate and keeping the House. He wants the coming election campaigning to be all about Benghazi and Obamacare. He doesn't want the Democrats to have any ammunition to throw back at the GOP. He doesn't want a government shutdown, or a budget battle or, and I'm making a prediction here, a fight over immigration. I predict that soon, there will be a compromise on immigration as well.

Boehner is a mainstream Republican Speaker who finally realized his far right reactionaries had to be told "no" no matter how much screaming they do. He finally he realized he does not need their votes.

except if he would stomp his feet as you imply he would get nothing.

he, most probably, finally, the first time explained the tactics and strategy game on the Capitol Hill.


which should be taught upon you first day there.

however, some lessons stick in only after some bruises are acquired.

 

[Darkwind]

If we win back the Senate, watch the GOP not kill or defund, or repeal Obamacare. You read it here first people.

Of course not. It is mathematically impossible for the GOP to win a 'veto proof' majority in the Senate.

So, that means that Boners has his eyes on the wrong target.

you do not need one. you just need a simple majority.
we are post nuclear option - remember?

many appointees which can be approved by simple majority and some other rules can be all what is necessary to sabotage this crap.

You guys are like teenagers - maximalists.

and the win in such situations is often without fanfare, but Machiavelli style.
Congress and Senate can do A LOT to block a LOT.

if they have the majority.

The nuclear option does NOT pertain to Presidential Veto....

 

[Shrimpbox]

Thank you predfan for realizing that strategy is as important as principle when trying to meet your goals. The govt shutdown was akin to sending loyal troops to slaughter because your cause is so just, but it would have been even better if the speaker had not turned on conservatives. It is going to take all kinds of republicans from tea partiers to Christie types to win this next elections and each group has something positive to offer. Good job pred

 

[Vox]

Of course not. It is mathematically impossible for the GOP to win a 'veto proof' majority in the Senate.

So, that means that Boners has his eyes on the wrong target.

you do not need one. you just need a simple majority.
we are post nuclear option - remember?

many appointees which can be approved by simple majority and some other rules can be all what is necessary to sabotage this crap.

You guys are like teenagers - maximalists.

and the win in such situations is often without fanfare, but Machiavelli style.
Congress and Senate can do A LOT to block a LOT.

if they have the majority.

The nuclear option does NOT pertain to Presidential Veto....

sure, but as I have said above - there are million ways to SABOTAGE the law.
That is what they know the best. I mean the old-timers.
I would not be very pushy to get rid of all the RINOs - just the stupid ones.
If the person is smart - he.she will be useful.

As I said before. It is not a medieval battle of two knights where strength and skill and honor and good will are all what is needed.

It is XXI century American politics, where the enemy is lying , deceitful, ready to commit the worst crime possible beast which has the lame stream media as their oda-singers at the side.

One can not win with such an enemy without resorting to Machiavelli traditions and sharpening them in the new age.

 

[Darkwind]

you do not need one. you just need a simple majority.
we are post nuclear option - remember?

many appointees which can be approved by simple majority and some other rules can be all what is necessary to sabotage this crap.

You guys are like teenagers - maximalists.

and the win in such situations is often without fanfare, but Machiavelli style.
Congress and Senate can do A LOT to block a LOT.

if they have the majority.

The nuclear option does NOT pertain to Presidential Veto....

sure, but as I have said above - there are million ways to SABOTAGE the law.
That is what they know the best. I mean the old-timers.
I would not be very pushy to get rid of all the RINOs - just the stupid ones.
If the person is smart - he.she will be useful.

As I said before. It is not a medieval battle of two knights where strength and skill and honor and good will are all what is needed.

It is XXI century American politics, where the enemy is lying , deceitful, ready to commit the worst crime possible beast which has the lame stream media as their oda-singers at the side.

One can not win with such an enemy without resorting to Machiavelli traditions and sharpening them in the new age.

I disagree. I'll just stick with the truth and take My chances.

 

[Vox]

The nuclear option does NOT pertain to Presidential Veto....

sure, but as I have said above - there are million ways to SABOTAGE the law.
That is what they know the best. I mean the old-timers.
I would not be very pushy to get rid of all the RINOs - just the stupid ones.
If the person is smart - he.she will be useful.

As I said before. It is not a medieval battle of two knights where strength and skill and honor and good will are all what is needed.

It is XXI century American politics, where the enemy is lying , deceitful, ready to commit the worst crime possible beast which has the lame stream media as their oda-singers at the side.

One can not win with such an enemy without resorting to Machiavelli traditions and sharpening them in the new age.

I disagree. I'll just stick with the truth and take My chances.

That is your God given right. And I respect it.
We will simply agree to disagree.