Poverty. What is it Between America's Capitalist Society and Other Capitalist Societies.

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You seem to be very confused when it comes to the clean debate section. It does not mean that you are the designated judge of all posts. It does not mean that only statements agreeing with you are allowed. It does not give you control over what everybody gets to say.

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The rules apply. And in addition to that, I'm adding a rule that forbids racism or discrimination against other peoples based on their country of origin or whatever else you can dream up. If you persist with that then I'll be ignoring you. If that's what you want then we're good with it!

There have been many studies about generational poverty, and I would suggest you read some. Dysfunctional attitudes are passed from generation to generation until they become a self filling prophesy.
True in some instances, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, or country of origin. None of which apply!

Off-topic and so we're finished with it!
 

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The ownership of slaves in the Southern economy did not help spread the wealth it actually made it decline for the majority of people living in the south.
Anytime you have a uneven distribution of wealth a civilization will die out from a lack of economic activity. Right now, the US govt. has to infuse money into the system to keep it from collapsing. Is this capitalism or state sponsored capitalism?
The South was agrarian as compared to the North.
 

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There is no share of the wealth. You work for it and it belongs to you.
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

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Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

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Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
How was that free market capitalism in keeping people out of poverty before social programs took over? IE Social Security.
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

Comments?

Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
I want to know when American was brought down bythiose socialist programs in your mind. 1933? 1897? Surely, you have a date in mind since you posted about it.
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
How was that free market capitalism in keeping people out of poverty before social programs took over? IE Social Security.
social programs dont take people out of poverty,, it keeps them poor and dependent on others for survival,,,

SS is a retirement program that you pay into,,
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

Comments?

Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
I want to know when American was brought down bythiose socialist programs in your mind. 1933? 1897? Surely, you have a date in mind since you posted about it.

its been a slow progression there is no singular date,,
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
How was that free market capitalism in keeping people out of poverty before social programs took over? IE Social Security.
social programs dont take people out of poverty,, it keeps them poor and dependent on others for survival,,,

SS is a retirement program that you pay into,,
You don't know the history of SS do you.
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

Comments?

Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
I want to know when American was brought down bythiose socialist programs in your mind. 1933? 1897? Surely, you have a date in mind since you posted about it.

its been a slow progression there is no singular date,,
WTF is that supposed to mean. You stated the "the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down". I asked when that happened and you backtracked.

Why is it hard to answer?
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

Comments?

Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
I want to know when American was brought down bythiose socialist programs in your mind. 1933? 1897? Surely, you have a date in mind since you posted about it.

its been a slow progression there is no singular date,,
WTF is that supposed to mean. You stated the "the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down". I asked when that happened and you backtracked.

Why is it hard to answer?
how did I back tracked when I explained my answer???

it was a slow progression,,, hence the name "PROGRESSIVE",,,
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

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Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
I want to know when American was brought down bythiose socialist programs in your mind. 1933? 1897? Surely, you have a date in mind since you posted about it.

its been a slow progression there is no singular date,,
WTF is that supposed to mean. You stated the "the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down". I asked when that happened and you backtracked.

Why is it hard to answer?
how did I back tracked when I explained my answer???

it was a slow progression,,, hence the name "PROGRESSIVE",,,
You backtracked because your assertion is false and now you're engaged in diversion. You clearly stated that our nation was brought down, but our nation after WWII clearly gained power and status. So, if were brought down, when were we higher than now?
 

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There is no share of the wealth. You work for it and it belongs to you.
What about inheritance?
You work for wealth. It belongs to you. If you want to leave it to your kids, you leave it to your kids. If you want to leave it to the ASPCA, there will be a lot of rich dogs.
Yeah, your wealth.

Adam Smith didn't like inheritance because each man had to create his own wealth.
Don't care what adam smith likes.
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

Comments?

Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
keep in mind by world standards the USA doesnt have poverty and we are the richest country on the planet bar none,,, the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down and has never ever picked a country up,,

so when these others you worship can achieve that then we can talk,,
When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

why dont you tell me??
I want to know when American was brought down bythiose socialist programs in your mind. 1933? 1897? Surely, you have a date in mind since you posted about it.

its been a slow progression there is no singular date,,
WTF is that supposed to mean. You stated the "the implementation of socialist policies is whats brought us down". I asked when that happened and you backtracked.

Why is it hard to answer?
how did I back tracked when I explained my answer???

it was a slow progression,,, hence the name "PROGRESSIVE",,,
You backtracked because your assertion is false and now you're engaged in diversion. You clearly stated that our nation was brought down, but our nation after WWII clearly gained power and status. So, if were brought down, when were we higher than now?
sounds like youre the one engaging in diversion,,
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
 

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