Poverty. What is it Between America's Capitalist Society and Other Capitalist Societies.

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??
 

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It's a question that was asked in an old thread but it wasn't framed correctly. The old thread asked the question of comparing America's capitalism with communism or socialism, and that is wrong right from the beginning!

Clearly the question is on why America's greedy style of capitalism needs to be compared to 'socially responsible' capitalism in the world's leading democracies.

And so, in a nutshell: Americans permit their government to steal the wealth away from the working people and allow huge income inequality to exist. No country, even America with it's great wealth, can allow that situation to continue to exist in this 21st. century. There must be some attempt to spread the wealth around for the betterment of the people and the country.

America's current situation of strife and near civil war is being caused by it's system of greedy capitalism.

Comments?

Can this question be debated in the safe place the CDZ creates for this forum? Indeed, the most important reason to have a CDZ section!
Unequal protection of the laws is the major problem in our political-economy. We could have solved simple poverty, Yesterday, but for right wing bias and right wing bigotry.
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
STATEMENT: "The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail."

RESPONSE: Free public schools systems are under attack by fiscal conservatives, Republicans and people like the recent Sect. of Ed.

Your claim that "a person" doesn't want to learn, it is not the fault of society is covert racism.

Your claim requires a real rational debate on how to fix public education: What's wrong (what are the problems) and what needs to be done to remedy them.
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
STATEMENT: "The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail."

RESPONSE: Free public schools systems are under attack by fiscal conservatives, Republicans and people like the recent Sect. of Ed.

Your claim that "a person" doesn't want to learn, it is not the fault of society is covert racism.

Your claim requires a real rational debate on how to fix public education: What's wrong (what are the problems) and what needs to be done to remedy them.
the two things wrong with public ed is the inclusion of socialist indoctrination and the lack of parental involvement,,
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
STATEMENT: "The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail."

RESPONSE: Free public schools systems are under attack by fiscal conservatives, Republicans and people like the recent Sect. of Ed.

Your claim that "a person" doesn't want to learn, it is not the fault of society is covert racism.

Your claim requires a real rational debate on how to fix public education: What's wrong (what are the problems) and what needs to be done to remedy them.

Ah, yes, more of these accusations of "racism" when there was none.

Is there some sort of instruction manual some of you people are following here? "Weaselly, Underhanded Debate Tactics , volume 2" , perhaps?
 

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Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
Your statement on regulated capitalism is covert Satan Worship and cannibalism.


But which party has been most involved in closing down small businesses and attacking anybody who dares suggest they should be able to earn a living, and how is this sort regulation better, again?

Anybody? Anybody? Ferris?
 
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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??


 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??


if those helped so much then why is there still so much poverty??? it would have been better to lower taxs and allow th free market to hiring more people,,

now on the otherhand free market has raised millions out of poverty,,,
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
STATEMENT: "The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail."

RESPONSE: Free public schools systems are under attack by fiscal conservatives, Republicans and people like the recent Sect. of Ed.

Your claim that "a person" doesn't want to learn, it is not the fault of society is covert racism.

Your claim requires a real rational debate on how to fix public education: What's wrong (what are the problems) and what needs to be done to remedy them.

Ah, yes, more of these accusations of "racism" when there was none.

Is there some sort of instruction manual some of you people are following here? "Weaselly, Underhanded Debate Tactics , volume 2" , perhaps?
In my case, my life experience. Your claim was covert racism, if you were honest you would admit you were not thinking of Asians or Caucasians you had in your mind Black and Brown children. Of course you won't and your response was as much proof as your original comment.
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??


if those helped so much then why is there still so much poverty??? it would have been better to lower taxs and allow th free market to hiring more people,,

now on the otherhand free market has raised millions out of poverty,,,
LOL, free markets, by that you mean no minimum wage, or a wage which even a FT employee will still be left living in poverty.

BTW, your side of the aisle wants to cut taxes, and the tax reform act written by a lame duck Congress and signed by Trump: Cut taxes for the wealthiest earners (top two tax brackets eliminated); reduced the percentage of income tax for corporations (some don't pay any income tax); added a double standard deduction which will sunset in 2027.

Two-thirds of the cuts went to the rich, one-third to the masses; and, the rich cuts are forever!!! The standard deduction will be at the least cut in half, or because of the debt incurred by so many tax breaks, even lower.
 
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In my case, my life experience. Your claim was covert racism, if you were honest you would admit you were not thinking of Asians or Caucasians you had in your mind Black and Brown children. Of course you won't and your response was as much proof as your original comment.

It is your life experience that has made you a liar?

Interesting concept.
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??


if those helped so much then why is there still so much poverty??? it would have been better to lower taxs and allow th free market to hiring more people,,

now on the otherhand free market has raised millions out of poverty,,,
LOL, free markets, by that you mean no minimum wage, or a wage which even a FT employee will still be left living in poverty.

BTW, your side of the aisle wants to cut taxes, and the tax reform act written by a lame duck Congress and signed by Trump: Cut taxes for the wealthiest earners (top two tax brackets eliminated); reduced the percentage of income tax for corporations (some don't pay any income tax); added a double standard deduction which will sunset in 2027.

Two-thirds of the cuts went to the rich, one-third to the masses; and, the rich cuts are forever, and the standard deduction will be at the least cut in half, or because of the debt incurred by so many tax breaks, even lower.
because theres a min wage there are thousands of less educated people not working that will never get out of poverty,,

as for where the cuts went you can blame dems and repubes for that not the system,,
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
STATEMENT: "The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail."

RESPONSE: Free public schools systems are under attack by fiscal conservatives, Republicans and people like the recent Sect. of Ed.

Your claim that "a person" doesn't want to learn, it is not the fault of society is covert racism.

Your claim requires a real rational debate on how to fix public education: What's wrong (what are the problems) and what needs to be done to remedy them.
the two things wrong with public ed is the inclusion of socialist indoctrination and the lack of parental involvement,,
Define "socialist indoctrination".
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??


if those helped so much then why is there still so much poverty??? it would have been better to lower taxs and allow th free market to hiring more people,,

now on the otherhand free market has raised millions out of poverty,,,
LOL, free markets, by that you mean no minimum wage, or a wage which even a FT employee will still be left living in poverty.

BTW, your side of the aisle wants to cut taxes, and the tax reform act written by a lame duck Congress and signed by Trump: Cut taxes for the wealthiest earners (top two tax brackets eliminated); reduced the percentage of income tax for corporations (some don't pay any income tax); added a double standard deduction which will sunset in 2027.

Two-thirds of the cuts went to the rich, one-third to the masses; and, the rich cuts are forever, and the standard deduction will be at the least cut in half, or because of the debt incurred by so many tax breaks, even lower.
because theres a min wage there are thousands of less educated people not working that will never get out of poverty,,

as for where the cuts went you can blame dems and repubes for that not the system,,
You cannot defend any of you posts.
 

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When did our implementation of "socialist polices" start?

It depends upon how one defines socialist, no?

IMO, this shouldn't be looked at as an either/or but in terms of degree. How MUCH socialism do we want. Social security where productive people and their employers pay into a system is at a level of socialism far removed from, say, guaranteed basic income where utterly unproductive people are given a free ride.

The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail.
STATEMENT: "The only way to reduce poverty isn't to hand people a fish. It is to teach them to fish, and if a person not want to learn, then it really isn't society's fault when they fail."

RESPONSE: Free public schools systems are under attack by fiscal conservatives, Republicans and people like the recent Sect. of Ed.

Your claim that "a person" doesn't want to learn, it is not the fault of society is covert racism.

Your claim requires a real rational debate on how to fix public education: What's wrong (what are the problems) and what needs to be done to remedy them.
the two things wrong with public ed is the inclusion of socialist indoctrination and the lack of parental involvement,,
Define "socialist indoctrination".
youre really that dumb,,,

when they stopped teaching just the basics and started teaching the government owes you because youre an idiot that cant survive on your own,,,
 

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That's a great place to start because I've never lost track of that fact
theres only been one proven way to get more people out of poverty and thats free market capitalism not government run capitalism,,

and all social programs are designed to keep people in poverty not get them out,,
You make bold statements and cannot prove any of them.

The Private Sector is for profit; the Public Sector is not. Example: Insurance companies are not in business to pay claims. Which sector has the power and duty to regulate insurance companies?

Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
then tell me oh great one,, what social policy other than K-12 school has gotten someone out of poverty??


if those helped so much then why is there still so much poverty??? it would have been better to lower taxs and allow th free market to hiring more people,,

now on the otherhand free market has raised millions out of poverty,,,
LOL, free markets, by that you mean no minimum wage, or a wage which even a FT employee will still be left living in poverty.

BTW, your side of the aisle wants to cut taxes, and the tax reform act written by a lame duck Congress and signed by Trump: Cut taxes for the wealthiest earners (top two tax brackets eliminated); reduced the percentage of income tax for corporations (some don't pay any income tax); added a double standard deduction which will sunset in 2027.

Two-thirds of the cuts went to the rich, one-third to the masses; and, the rich cuts are forever, and the standard deduction will be at the least cut in half, or because of the debt incurred by so many tax breaks, even lower.
because theres a min wage there are thousands of less educated people not working that will never get out of poverty,,

as for where the cuts went you can blame dems and repubes for that not the system,,
You cannot defend any of you posts.
and yet I still do,,,

face it youre just mad cause you know I'm right and your views are evil,,
 

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Regulated capitalism is far and away better than lassiez faire as can be proved by looking at poverty in America. Keep in mind that our economy depends on consumer spending. That too can be proved by looking how small business' employ a large number workers now out of work; the risk is another housing crisis on our horizon.
Your statement on regulated capitalism is covert Satan Worship and cannibalism.


But which party has been most involved in closing down small businesses and attacking anybody who dares suggest they should be able to earn a living, and how is this sort regulation better, again?

Anybody? Anybody? Ferris?
...certainly not the party that condones helping people die from the pandemic merely for the (moral and capital) sake of private profit.

Better solutions that promote and provide for the general welfare of the United States is what are necessary and proper.
 

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