Popular vote to determine president may be law by 2031

[jacksonlamb]

Too scared to honestly answer the question?

It is easy to answer. It is constitutional.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Listen to the whiners whine above. Music to good American ears.

 

[Auld Phart]

What a dumb ass comment from a guy who usually thinks well. Get sober, try again.

been sober for 33 years.

can you say the same?

 

[TNHarley]

It is easy to answer. It is constitutional.

Ok then. Dont answer my question.

 

[Eman623]

He will be the last.

Sure he will. You probably said Bush would be the last and the Blue Wall would ensure no more GOP presidents ever again.

 

[TNHarley]

I think the national compact is political theater for rubes. Dont most states use the popular vote to determine how the electors vote?

 

[jacksonlamb]

been sober for 33 years.

can you say the same?

I have never drank any alcoholic drink. Ever. Why? It wrecks the body. Sugar is bad, but I do like a hot chocolate or two a week. I know. I sin like everyone else.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

It is constitutional to the bone.

And how's that Peebles? It does specifically say ELECTORAL

 

[jacksonlamb]

I think the national compact is political theater for rubes. Dont most states use the popular vote to determine how the electors vote?

You have to read the proposed amendment to understand.

 

[Auld Phart]

I have never drank any alcoholic drink. Ever. Why? It wrecks the body. Sugar is bad, but I do like a hot chocolate or two a week. I know. I sin like everyone else.

I have never drank any alcoholic drink.

your posts say otherwise

 

[jacksonlamb]

And how's that Peebles? It does specifically say ELECTORAL

Then send a not to Judge Roberts.

 

[jacksonlamb]

your posts say otherwise

Find one.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Then send a not to Judge Roberts.

Don't have to cause it won't get anywhere

 

[WorldWatcher]

I think the national compact is political theater for rubes. Dont most states use the popular vote to determine how the electors vote?

The states use the popular vote - within their state - to determine EC assignments based on winner take all.

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) bases the outcome on the national popular vote. Not just the vote of state voters.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

I will say I'm not a fan of th National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC).

But I'm also not a fan of the current "winner take all" EC votes by state (48 or 50).

I would prefer:

• Federal Districts be done by bipartisan commission outside the purview of the State legislature based on population, local political boundaries (city, county, etc.), natural barriers (mounntains, rivers, etc.) to define the same of districts.
• The State EC elector count is equal to the number of House Reps + 2 representing the Senators. The two Senate represented votes would be by state wide popular vote.
• The State EC elector count is equal to the number of House Reps + 2 representing the Senators. The EC electors representing the Represenatives are awarded based on the district vote. (Similar to Maine and Nebraska.)

WW

 

[berg80]

The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.

I've been working as a volunteer to get this done nationally for a few years. It's very gratifying to see we're getting closer to abolishing the antiquated anachronism that is the EC.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

The popular vote compact for selecting a President is one closer as VA passed the law that allows states to create a mechanism that will deactivate the Electoral College

This is provocative act will cause dissension as well as tension in each of the major parties.

“The presidency should be won by the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide – not just the right combination of battleground states,” said Christina Harvey, Stand Up America’s executive director. “This brings us one step closer to a system where Americans’ votes for president and vice-president count equally, no matter where they live.”

According to a column by George Chidi, in The Guardian, "A national majority vote for president is one step closer to reality after the Virginia governor, Abigail Spanberger, signed the national popular vote bill into law, joining an interstate compact with 17 other states and the District of Columbia.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state. The compact takes effect when states representing a majority of electoral votes – 270 of 538 – pass the legislation and thus would determine the winner of the presidential contest. With Virginia, the compact now has 222 electors.

Every state that has so far enacted the compact has Democratic electoral majorities, including California, New York and Illinois. But legislation has been introduced in enough states to reach the 270-elector threshold, including swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The legislation relies on two provisions of the US constitution, which would face intense legal scrutiny if and when the compact comes into force. Article II, section 1 of the constitution authorizes each state to appoint electors “in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct”. The constitution does not require states to even have a vote for president, never mind delegating those electors as a state’s voters choose.

The second provision, article I, section 10, clause 3 of the US constitution, governs interstate compacts. The text authorizes states to form legally binding agreements governing their relationships to one another. The text requires states to gain the assent of Congress to enact a compact. But longstanding US supreme court precedent holds that states only require congressional approval for a compact if the agreement infringes on federal power. Supporters of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact argue that the delegation of electors is a state power, not a federal power.

A Pew Research Center poll from 2024 showed that 63% of Americans would replace the electoral college with a national popular vote for president, with 35% opposing change.

“We’ll continue our state-by-state work until the candidate who wins the most popular votes is elected president and every voter is treated equally in every presidential election,” said John Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote, an organization spearheading the legislation.


Stand Up America, which also advocates for a national popular vote, noted two out of the four US presidents of the 21st century – George W Bush in 2000 and Donald Trump in 2016 – lost the popular vote and won the White House nonetheless through the electoral college. Of the 60 presidential elections in US history, 10 others were near misses in which a small number of votes in a few states could have tipped the electoral college toward the candidate who lost the popular vote.

Forum rules state you must provide a link to support statements made as fact. Provide a link to the info you provided.

 

[norwegen]

The Constitution establishes the Electoral College.

The next time a moonbat screams "That's unconstitutional!", pay it no mind. They care not one whit about the Constitution.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If Virginia found itself obliged to cast its electoral votes for Rubio (for example) because Rubio wins the popular vote AND if it turned out that this will swing the election to Rubio when it would have gone to Tim Kaine (fot example) some ad hoc "voters rights" group would sue and some judge like Biasberg would hold up the election until they figure out a way to give it to Timmy.

I'm fine with whatever reasonable rules, so long as they don't change in the middle of election year.

 

[22lcidw]

It is constitutional to the bone.

The Federal Reserve Act, the 16th amendment, the 17th amendment, and a buildup through the decades reached a crescendo when the fiat currency lost control the 19th amendment caused all of this.