Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

[Hafar1014]

English Common Law. Pretty much

No the American concept is unique in history and was designed to oppose much of English law

 

[Hafar1014]

Can you define what you mean by 'Basic Human Rights'? I doubt we can agree what they are, much less where they come from.

Life liberty the pursuit of happiness the right to own property.

 

[pal]

The government first, sports second, god third and Jesus fourth claims.

The government had more respect than Gods.

The government approve my opinions.

 

[Hafar1014]

There are no "rights".

There are privileges that the society at large is willing to tolerate. Sometimes these are detailed in law.

Anyone who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast rights disappear when the room turns ugly.

Or "Undocumented Immigrants, 2025".

Illegals have no rights

 

[Hafar1014]

Someone already said where they come from, God. That's really the only logical answer.

The words are "their creator" not god. Nature can be their creator if one is an atheist

 

[forkintheroad7]

There is no proof of god or proof there is no god. It makes no difference. The words "state their creator" That can be nature or anything you want

I say there is no such person as Hafar either

That way I don't have to interact with him

So yeh... I get why people choose to live in a fantasy world and disbelieve Jesus Christ... a world in which everything can be exactly as they desire it to be -

as opposed to how it really is (or could be if they had Jesus)

 

[Hafar1014]

Where did I say that?

Actually, the internment of the Nisii was a bipartisan effort. Republicans and Democrats were all for it, at the time. (I would also argue there was some wisdom in it in 1942, when there was a real risk of the Japanese invading the West Coast.)

If rights came from a God, or the law, or were inherently inside of it, it wouldn't be that easy to remove them, but many times in our history, they've done exactly that.

And for all our flaws, we are one of the better examples.

Yes but they were freed so the law allows for things to be corrected

 

[forkintheroad7]

Illegals have no rights

They have the right to live and other rights, simply for being human beings created in God's image

They have rights... just not the right to stay in the US illegally

 

[Hafar1014]

They have the right to live and other rights, simply for being human beings created in God's image

They have rights... just not the right to stay in the US illegally

They do not have the legal right to live its amoral value. The have no American rights

 

[Chuz Life]

So you don't believe there is life after death?

It's not like I don't want to.

I simply can't find any evidence of it to support the theory.

There has to be... Nothing makes sense otherwise.

I disagree, and I think it makes sense enough.

You implied you are depressed or feel hopeless at times. Everyone goes through that, whether they admit it or not. It's the human condition, as a priest I knew put it once.. All it takes is one look around at the world and how much injustice there is, to realize that there has to be justice some day

and that some day is with God in Heaven

or the other alternative.

Again, I'm not trying to poo poo or ridicule anyones beliefs. I'll respect yours (theirs) so long as they respect mine. But, if you want me to adopt yours/ theirs. . . I need something in the way of actual facts and evidence. Not blind faith. No matter how reasoned that blind faith might seem in your (their) "beliefs."

 

[alang1216]

Illegals have no rights

Try shooting a few and see what happens to you.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Life liberty the pursuit of happiness the right to own property.

You should acknowledge the right of commas and periods to exist in your writing

 

[Hafar1014]

You should acknowledge the right of commas and periods to exist in your writing

The spelling police are here

 

[forkintheroad7]

Again, I'm not trying to poo poo or ridicule anyones beliefs. I'll respect yours (theirs) so long as they respect mine. But, if you want me to adopt yours/ theirs. . . I need something in the way of actual facts and evidence. Not blind faith. No matter how reasoned that blind faith might seem in your (their) "beliefs."

You insult my intelligence and integrity... assuming that I base my beliefs on blind faith. I keep trying to tell people here that I have PROOF of God and they do not listen and you don't either. I confess, I get impatient (very).

In any case, the Real Presence is not called REAL for nothing.

I didn't know about the RP either-- one reason I need to have more patience-- until a good priest told me about "it" many years ago. I thank God for that priest, who was one of the only priests I ever encountered who DID mention the Real Presence. I had been raised Catholic (so called raised) and did not know about "it" until he told me in confession. It is the greatest Gift I have ever received or could even imagine.

The Real Presence is REAL. I can't say "it" is in all Catholic Churches these days, but I suspect strongly that that is indeed the case. With all the apostasy going on in the Vatican, I have often wondered....

But Jesus promised to be with us until the end (Mt 28:20) and that would appear to mean that He will keep His Real Presence in the Catholic Churches until the end of the world, regardless of what heretics and apostates do -in the Vatican or anywhere else.

 

[Chuz Life]

You insult my intelligence and integrity... assuming that I base my beliefs on blind faith. I keep trying to tell people here that I have PROOF of God and they do not listen and you don't either. I confess, I get impatient (very).

In any case, the Real Presence is not called REAL for nothing.

About blind faith; I recall from my very religious upbringing several verses about having faith "like a child" or you aint getting in. (paraphrased.)

Like I said, I am trying to respect your "beliefs." Please afford me the same.

 

[BreezeWood]

I'm still the only one who has tried to explain where I think basic human rights come from ...

that's because all "rights" are the same - your failure to define rights is the issue.

the first organism cleared all hurdles for life's existence.

 

[forkintheroad7]

the first organism cleared all hurdles for life's existence.

????????

 

[Mortimer]

I personally believe in God and i believe either God or natural but its only symbolically how we reason it the actual power to give us rights comes from governments and supranatural organisations like the EU or UN so actually its the law

 

[BreezeWood]

So perhaps we really don't have 'rights' at all........we're just egotistical enough to think we do.....~S~

be it as it may, there is nothing in the universe that stopped life from evolving not claiming as a rite more initially a destiny accomplished.

 

[Chuz Life]

that's because all "rights" are the same - your failure to define rights is the issue.

the first organism cleared all hurdles for life's existence.

No idea what you think you are trying to say with that.

"All rights are the same, but I have failed to define them?"

Kind of contradictory.