Zone1 POLL: "Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from? Zone1

[Chuz Life]

Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from?

Basic Human Rights are something that has been debated in this forum for decades.

It's obvious that we don't all agree on what basic human rights are, nor especially where basic human rights come from.

Let's vote and discuss!

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[progressive hunter]

I think the founders made it clear,,

our rights come from our creator,, you can call him god or bob I dont really care

 

[Chuz Life]

I think the founders made it clear,,

our rights come from our creator,, you can call him god or bob I dont really care

Right.

That said, we are not obligated to adopt the thinking or conclusions of "the founders," though.

Agree?

Edit: I think it is likely that "the founders" believed that basic human rights are inherent, and they worded it as "our creator" to be as inclusive of all other views as possible.

 

[candycorn]

English Common Law. Pretty much

 

[progressive hunter]

Right.

That said, we are not obligated to adopt the thinking or conclusions of "the founders," though.

Agree?

Edit: I think it is likely that "the founders" believed that basic human rights are inherent, and they worded it as "our creator" to be as inclusive of all other views as possible.

yes you are free to leave the country if it doesnt meet your standards,,

 

[JoeB131]

There are no "rights".

There are privileges that the society at large is willing to tolerate. Sometimes these are detailed in law.

Anyone who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast rights disappear when the room turns ugly.

Or "Undocumented Immigrants, 2025".

 

[alang1216]

Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from?

Basic Human Rights are something that has been debated in this forum for decades.

It's obvious that we don't all agree on what basic human rights are, nor especially where basic human rights come from.

Let's vote and discuss!

Zone1 Rules Apply!

Can you define what you mean by 'Basic Human Rights'? I doubt we can agree what they are, much less where they come from.

 

[Chuz Life]

yes you are free to leave the country if it doesnt meet your standards,,

Or, one could also simply disagree and say so.

We have that right too.

Don't we?

 

[Leo123]

Can you define what you mean by 'Basic Human Rights'? I doubt we can agree what they are, much less where they come from.

Someone already said where they come from, God. That's really the only logical answer.

 

[Chuz Life]

Can you define what you mean by 'Basic Human Rights'? I doubt we can agree what they are, much less where they come from.

I left it open for discussion, but I think specifically, the most basic human rights are the right to life and the right to self-defense (By extension, the right to defend the lives of others)

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There are no "rights".

There are privileges that the society at large is willing to tolerate. Sometimes these are detailed in law.

Anyone who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast rights disappear when the room turns ugly.

Or "Undocumented Immigrants, 2025".

FDR was “ far right”?

 

[Chuz Life]

Someone already said where they come from, God. That's really the only logical answer.

As an Agnostic, I can agree to "creator" because that covers it, even if my "parents" are my only creators.

That said, I would like to see any evidence or proof of God, to the extent that is possible.

 

[sparky]

man, you sure ask the tough Q's Chuz..........if i side with 'God' that means the religmo's control us, if i side with Gub'mit even a worse set of fools has dominion.....hold my calls.....i'll be hiding out in the chickenhouse.... ~S~

 

[JoeB131]

FDR was “ far right”?

Where did I say that?

Actually, the internment of the Nisii was a bipartisan effort. Republicans and Democrats were all for it, at the time. (I would also argue there was some wisdom in it in 1942, when there was a real risk of the Japanese invading the West Coast.)

If rights came from a God, or the law, or were inherently inside of it, it wouldn't be that easy to remove them, but many times in our history, they've done exactly that.

And for all our flaws, we are one of the better examples.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I choose other, because my opinion encompasses both comes from God and naturally inherent. Or maybe I should either come from God or naturally inherent.

Whether I was created by nature or God, my physical abilities and my mental instincts tell me that I have a right to use them, so long as I don't interfere with others rights to use theirs.

My capacity for speech indicates I am free to do so. My instinct to defend myself, combined with my species capacity for design, tells me that I have a right to carry weapons with which to defend myself.

My ability to create things out of nature, such as a fishing device to catch fish means that I have a right to own the device and the fish I catch. My ownership then grants the right to trade such items for other items which I would then have a natural right to own.

My right not to quarter soldiers in my home, except in time of war and even then only as prescribed by law? Not a natural right. That is codified an extension of the right to own land and buildings. The natural right to own personally created and purchased items is itself extended by law to the artificial right to own land, or rent it if an owner is willing to.

 

[Crepitus]

Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from?

Basic Human Rights are something that has been debated in this forum for decades.

It's obvious that we don't all agree on what basic human rights are, nor especially where basic human rights come from.

Let's vote and discuss!

Zone1 Rules Apply!

Your rights come from the society you live in. They are entirely a human construct, nothing divine about them. Your rights vary depending on the society you exist in. If they came from "god" the society wouldn't matter. They don't require a government, although they can be helpful to enforce the rights the people in their society enjoy.

 

[BreezeWood]

I think the founders made it clear,,

our rights come from our creator,, you can call him god or bob I dont really care

jesus knew their fate long before theirs were taken from him ... they are nowhere found in any desert bible than servitude and denial as the crucifiers made sure.

 

[alang1216]

Someone already said where they come from, God. That's really the only logical answer.

Did God write the 2nd Amendment?

 

[progressive hunter]

Or, one could also simply disagree and say so.

We have that right too.

Don't we?

we arent talking about disagreeing,,

your opinion has no meaning in constitutionally protected rights,,

 

[Foxfyre]

Where do (your) Basic Human Rights come from?

Basic Human Rights are something that has been debated in this forum for decades.

It's obvious that we don't all agree on what basic human rights are, nor especially where basic human rights come from.

Let's vote and discuss!

Zone1 Rules Apply!

I'll go with the Thomas Jefferson's wording in the Declaration of Independence signed by almost all our Founders:

". . .We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. . ."

They believe and I believe that government does not grant us our rights but the government they envisioned SECURES the rights all of us already have. And no, I don't have to provide evidence or proof of God as our rights include us having whatever belief in that Creator that we may have.