Zone1 Does our spirit or soul plan our lives before we are even conceived?

[Dante]

But it is amazing how many questions are answered by these testimonies.

For example after the fifteen minute mark in this other testimony by near death experiencer John J. Davis he reports that many souls, do NOT want to come to this earth because life is so challenging and difficult here.

John reports that a soul coming to this earth is comparable to somebody going off on a scary and difficult mission, [like an astronaut]. Many people meet us when we die or have a near death experience. Everybody wants to meet us when we go back into the higher dimensions. Everybody in heaven knows who we humans were before we incarnated as a human and took on our mission in life.

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"Questions are answered by these testimonies?"

What questions and do answers hold up to scientific scrutiny?

 

[DennisPTate]

"Questions are answered by these testimonies?"

What questions and do answers hold up to scientific scrutiny?

I believe that these near death experience accounts fit with String Theory and many other advanced ideas in Theoretical Physics are verified by various NDE accounts.

I was reading some more of this group NDE and here are some ideas that seem relevant to this topic:

4. Insights from John Hernandez’s NDEs​

The following are some of the insights he learned from his NDEs as documented in a June 1996 Newsletter from the Utah Chapter of IANDS.

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John learned that when mortals come to earth, they forget what they knew in their pre-mortal life. The earth is a mirror image of that pre-mortal place, so when mortals visit places on earth that are the reflection of places there, they have a sense of deja vu when they are allowed a glimpse of those forgotten memories. There was no language barrier there because there is a universal communication and everyone heard their own language.

John said he moved as quickly as he had thoughts, and there was a lot of love and no contention. He didn’t want to leave, but his great-great grandfather told him it wasn’t his time yet, that he had to return to earth. He was told that there were no guarantees, and if he blew it, he couldn’t return to that beautiful place. He said he didn’t want to go back to his body if it was badly burned, and was promised that it wouldn’t be, that God would use this to show his power over the elements. He was also told that there was no guarantee that there wouldn’t be fatalities, because the others had their free agency and could chose to not return to earth. John felt a responsibility to complete his assigned mission so he returned.

As it turned out, all the crew members returned, each having had an NDE. They discovered the fire was still burning, so hot it had melted their tools, yet none of the crew were burned, except for singed hair. They were able to walk through the flames to the top of the hill, not feeling the heat. Although they were from many races, men and women of different religions or no religion, after they reached summit, everyone fell to their knees in thankful prayer for their preservation.

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This is the first time that I ever read of deja vu being explained in this way.

 

[Dante]

I believe that these near death experience accounts fit with String Theory and many other advanced ideas in Theoretical Physics are verified by various NDE accounts.

I was reading some more of this group NDE and here are some ideas that seem relevant to this topic:




This is the first time that I ever read of deja vu being explained in this way.

I'm not sure you understand string theories or theoretical/particle physics well.

now on "deja vu"
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Had seriously interesting "trips" on hallucinogens...

 

[DennisPTate]

I'm not sure you understand string theories or theoretical/particle physics well.

now on "deja vu"

I was diagnosed years ago as having suffered "temporal lobe seizures" Look that up. I know a bit about it all -- first hand experience.

and my tls's? I made a bet with a psychiatrist, a neurologist, and a neuropsychologist that an experimentation with the drugs prescribed and an awareness of the onset of the "auras" could and would lead to me being able to control some aspects. I won the bet, though neither really bet against me/

Had serious;y interesting "trips" on hallucinogens for a few years, unaware they were triggering the tls's

Interesting. I had a friend years ago who saw auras. I remember seeing them on a flock of birds one time back in 1990. It was a flock of Evening Grossbeaks. Each bird had a bright orange, red, green or yellow aura. If I remember correctly there may have been some blue ones as well.

You are correct that I have no idea of the specific mathematics of String Theory but here is a simple comparison of very basic String Theory in high school English with a near death experience account that sure seems to fit with the idea of invisible dimensions of String Theory.

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
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"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."

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"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

String Theory postulates invisible higher energetic dimensions and that is exactly what Dr. George Ritchie reports being shown way back in 1943 decades before String Theory was explained in simple English.

b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus​

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie’s tour of the Earthbound Realm: Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.

Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is “chained to every consequence of his act.”

They then traveled to a bar somewhere on Earth which was filled with sailors drinking heavily. Spirits surrounded the sailors as they tried desperately, and in vain, to grasp the shot glasses to get a drink. Other spirits tried to control the sailors’ alcoholic behavior. Ritchie learns these are the spirits of people who died still having a severe alcoholic addiction which went beyond the physical. He is bewildered as he observes one of the sailors passing out causing the sailor’s protective aura surrounding him to crack open. When it does, it allows a spirit to scramble into the sailor’s unconscious body. This scene was repeated over and over.
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f. His Vision of the Heavenly City​

Ritchie is then taken into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light – similar in description to the heavenly city in the Book of Revelation (see also Revelation 21:10-27.) This is the place where people go who have become like Jesus while on Earth – a place where love is the dominant focus of life. This is heaven he realizes; but he is not allowed to enter it. Instead, Jesus shows him the future of Earth and is told to return to his physical body. At this point, Ritchie is revived from death.

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[GLASNOST]

My belief is that the Creator of all that exists is a lot like us humans but is composed of Energy from Quantum Vacuum and has worked and invented and designed from infinite time in the past and voila...... here we are.... children of the infinitely ancient Creator.

Could very well be true.

 

[GLASNOST]

Humanity has been trying to understand the meaning of life since we had our first thought. If your question were true then we have had the answer all along: No meaning of life.

Or, could it be that one hundred percent of us are on some sort of a mission?

No.

Learning empathy and compassion for others can even inspire the eternal part of us to volunteer to come down into a body that is destined to be poor, or sick or even homeless eventually.

If empathy and compassion were goals to be learned then it would diminish the theory that God (a God, the God, one of many Gods) is benevolent, thus rendering a Creator ..... sadistic. That could be true but I'd rather be optimistic.

 

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If empathy and compassion were goals to be learned then it would diminish the theory that God (a God, the God, one of many Gods) is benevolent, thus rendering a Creator ..... sadistic. That could be true but I'd rather be optimistic.

Or it is confirmation we are at odds with God. Islam teaches a surrendering to God. Judaism teaches we must fight our evil inclination. Christianity teaches that humanity is in a state of rebellion against God. They are all saying the same thing, just in different ways.

 

[ding]

I believe that these near death experience accounts fit with String Theory and many other advanced ideas in Theoretical Physics are verified by various NDE accounts.

I was reading some more of this group NDE and here are some ideas that seem relevant to this topic:




This is the first time that I ever read of deja vu being explained in this way.

Actually they fit better with "it from bit,"

 

[ding]

I'm not sure you understand string theories or theoretical/particle physics well.

now on "deja vu"
...

Had seriously interesting "trips" on hallucinogens...

Ever hear of "it from bit?"

 

[ding]

God (a God, the God, one of many Gods) is benevolent

The benevolence of the creator or God or whatever name you want to use for the source of all existence, can be seen by the self compensating nature of existence to bring about good. It's actually quite logical and sublime. Most people miss it. It's hard to see the benevolence if you can't see the providence. Providence can best be explained as successful behaviors naturally lead to success as failed behaviors naturally lead to failure. It is through the consequences of our choices that God brings about good from bad. One must have knowledge of good and bad to choose good. Our lessons will keep being returned to us until we learn from them.

 

[DennisPTate]

No.

If empathy and compassion were goals to be learned then it would diminish the theory that God (a God, the God, one of many Gods) is benevolent, thus rendering a Creator ..... sadistic. That could be true but I'd rather be optimistic.

Or could it be that our Creator cannot instantly create a being that will Love others and have empathy for others?

Can it be that certain characteristics must be learned over time and experience?

Near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai reported being told by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus that during the fulfillment of Matthew chapter four, Yeshua could remember creating Covering Cherub Helel, and knowing that Helel would eventually rebel and organize a revolt against his Creator.

Rick Joyner had something similar to a near death experience back in 1995 and he was shown the Big Picture in an amazing way.

[Rick Joyner]

“Many believe in the Holy Spirit, but few make room for Him in their lives. As the end of this age approaches, that will change.

The Holy Spirit is about to move over the earth as He did in the beginning. He will take the chaos and confusion that are spreading across the earth, and He will bring forth the glorious new creation right in the midst of it. You are about to enter the times when He will do wonders continually, and the whole world will be in awe of His works.

“He will do all of this through my people. When the Holy Spirit moves, the sons and daughters of God will prophesy. From the old to the young they will dream dreams and see visions. The works that I did, and greater works, will they do in My name, that I might be glorified in the earth. The whole creation groans and travails for what the Holy Spirit is about to do.

“What you will find through that door will help you to prepare for what is to come. I am the Savior, but I AM also the Judge. I am about to reveal Myself to the world as the Righteous Judge. First, I must reveal My judgment to My own household. My people are about to know the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. Then they will know His power to convict of sin. They will also know that He will always lead them to the truth that will set them free. This is the truth that testifies of Me. When My people have come to know Me as I AM, then I will use them to testify of Me.

“I am the Judge, but it is better for you to judge yourself so that I will not have to judge you. Even so, My judgments are about to be restored to My people. I will judge My own household first. After that I will judge the whole earth.” The glory of Wisdom was overshadowing everything around me. I had never seen such splendor before, even here. It increased as He talked about His judgments. I knew by this that there was a glory to be seen by knowing Him as the Judge that was greater than I had known before. I started feeling so small and insignificant in His presence that it was hard for me to concentrate on what He was saying. Just when I thought I would be overwhelmed by His glory, He reached out and touched me on the forehead, gently but firmly. When He did this, my mind became focused and clear.
[Rick Joyner, The Call]

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[DennisPTate]

The benevolence of the creator or God or whatever name you want to use for the source of all existence, can be seen by the self compensating nature of existence to bring about good. It's actually quite logical and sublime. Most people miss it. It's hard to see the benevolence if you can't see the providence. Providence can best be explained as successful behaviors naturally lead to success as failed behaviors naturally lead to failure. It is through the consequences of our choices that God brings about good from bad. One must have knowledge of good and bad to choose good. Our lessons will keep being returned to us until we learn from them.

Absolutely true. This earth realm is known to be one of the toughest spiritual environments in the universe. All of us who decide to come down here on a mission have a lot of courage. Many spiritual being never want to have a lifetime here.

"The Call" by Rick Joyner filled in a lot of pieces of the puzzle for me.

[Rick Joyner]

Chapter 2: Two Witnesses​

For days I had been in a deep depression. Everything seemed so bleak. Even the very sound of people irritated me, and any disruption to what I wanted to do, angered me. I thought the worst of everyone and had to fight to contain the black thoughts that arose in me toward them. I felt as if I had slipped into hell and was sliding deeper into it each day. I finally cried out to the Lord and almost immediately found myself standing in front of the door with Wisdom standing next to me.

“Lord, I am sorry. I slipped from Your presence all the way into hell it seems.”

“The whole world still lies in the power of the evil one,” He replied, “and you walk on the edge of hell every day. Through the midst of it, there is a path of life. There are deep ditches on either side of the path of life, so you must not deviate from the narrow way.”

“Well, I fell into one of the ditches and could not find my way out.”

“No one can find their own way out of those ditches. Following your own way is how you fall into them, and your own way will never lead you out. I am the only way out. When you fall, do not waste your time trying to figure everything out, for you will only sink deeper into the mire. Just ask for help, I am your Shepherd, and I will always help you when you call on Me.”
[Rick Joyner, The Call]

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[DennisPTate]

Actually they fit better with "it from bit,"

It is good to have a simpler explanation for all of this.

If somebody wants to get more complicated the writings and drawings of Chaim Henry Tejman M. D. may help.

Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life

"The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Also a near death experiencer was shown the formation of the universe out of Strings and Waves.

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"How did we come into Spiritual existence?

"My guides showed me a time we call
the beginning of Creation. Just as I observed the formation of my own unique Spirit, later there was a huge explosion, coming from an amazing looking, singing, pulsing, Joy-filled ball of bright Golden-White Light! I knew that I had always been very much a part of this Great Light, as have the rest of us. From this Orb of Light exploding, I found myself happily and quite excitedly hurling through space and time arriving safely in a perfect place of peace and amazing splendor. I knew immediately that this place was geared toward the expansion and education of every Soul that came there. Today I call this space, "The Realm" and it is here that we are assisted by many wise beings and Elders while we are being helped to complete much training and soulish expansion. (Christian Andreason, chapter 2 of his online book)

 

[DennisPTate]

Could very well be true.

Here is the quotation from a spiritual experience that I was looking for:

[Rick Joyner, The Call]

“My Father has entrusted Me with all power. I can command the heavens and they obey Me, but I cannot command love. Love commanded is not love at all. There will be a time when I demand obedience from the nations, but then the time to prove your love will have passed. While I AM not demanding obedience, those who come to Me obey Me because they love Me and love the truth. These are the ones who will be worthy to reign with Me in My kingdom, those who love Me and serve Me in spite of persecution and rejection. You must want to come to Me. Those who become Our dwelling place will not come because of a command, or just because they know My power—they will come because they love Me and they love the Father.

“Those who come to the truth will come because they love Us and want to be with Us. It is because of the darkness that this is the age of true love. True love shines the brightest against the greatest darkness. You love Me more when you see Me with your heart and obey Me, even though your eyes cannot see Me as they do now. Love and worship will be greatest in the great darkness that is coming upon the earth. Then all of creation will know that your love for Me is true and why we desire to dwell with men.

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[ding]

Or could it be that our Creator cannot instantly create a being that will Love others and have empathy for others?

Sure he could. But not and give them free will to choose right from wrong. Where would the virtue in that be?

 

[ding]

It is good to have a simpler explanation for all of this.

The simpler explanation is that we exist in the mind or imagination of God. What we believe is real, isn't.

 

[GLASNOST]

Or could it be that our Creator cannot instantly create a being that will Love others and have empathy for others?

I am an Agnostic and if it would be proven that God exists then I would expect far greater accomplishments than "not being able to create" what you've described. But if I'm wrong then we're all screwed and the only good thing about it is that I didn't "waste" my life choosing one of the established religions on this earth. I think I'll just remain an Agnostic and hope for the best.

 

[ding]

I am an Agnostic and if it would be proven that God exists then I would expect far greater accomplishments than "not being able to create" what you've described. But if I'm wrong then we're all screwed and the only good thing about it is that I didn't "waste" my life choosing one of the established religions on this earth. I think I'll just remain an Agnostic and hope for the best.

You're so agnostic that you routinely attack religion? That does not compute.

 

[ding]

if it would be proven that God exists then I would expect far greater accomplishments than "not being able to create" what you've described.

You don't have perfect information and you don't know God's purpose for creation. So whatever criticism you make is rooted in ignorance.

 

[DennisPTate]

I am an Agnostic and if it would be proven that God exists then I would expect far greater accomplishments than "not being able to create" what you've described. But if I'm wrong then we're all screwed and the only good thing about it is that I didn't "waste" my life choosing one of the established religions on this earth. I think I'll just remain an Agnostic and hope for the best.

If you will study near death experience accounts then you will get to the place where you could fit in in almost any religion that you wanted to join. Every religion on earth now has members who had a NDE.


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