Poll: Public Sees Bush As Less Trustworthy (Liberals?)

[-Cp]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have growing doubts about President Bush's honesty and his effectiveness, according to a poll taken at a time people are uneasy with the war in Iraq, uncertain about the economy and nervous about the terrorist threat.

Half of those in the poll taken by the Pew Research Center, 49 percent, said they believe the president is trustworthy, while almost as many, 46 percent said he is not. Bush was at 62 percent on this measure in a September 2003 Pew poll and at 56 percent in a Gallup poll in April. One of Bush's strong suits throughout his presidency has been the perception by a majority of people that he is honest.

The rest at:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050719/D8BELOU01.html

 

[Annie]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans have growing doubts about President Bush's honesty and his effectiveness, according to a poll taken at a time people are uneasy with the war in Iraq, uncertain about the economy and nervous about the terrorist threat.

Half of those in the poll taken by the Pew Research Center, 49 percent, said they believe the president is trustworthy, while almost as many, 46 percent said he is not. Bush was at 62 percent on this measure in a September 2003 Pew poll and at 56 percent in a Gallup poll in April. One of Bush's strong suits throughout his presidency has been the perception by a majority of people that he is honest.

The rest at:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050719/D8BELOU01.html

My take, wait until the Plame issue is settled. In all likelihood the dems will be embarrassed once again, like the Gitmo, Delay, etc. 'crisis''; then the public will once again backlash. If the GOP is very lucky, it will be close to the election.

 

[ThomasPaine]

a solid week and a half of non-stop msm bashing and lying about Karl Rove. If all you watched were the big three and all you read was th NYT you would believe that Rove was a leaker, liar, traitor to the United States. And since Bush won't fire, arrest, or lynch Rove; Bush is a liar, moron, deciever, impeachable. Give it a week or two till the Rove BS is straightened out and another "poll" will show differently. I majored in college in politics and let me tell you these polls are easily skewed by type of question and sampling. The media is using polls as of late to make editorial statements... Screw them...

 

[Annie]

a solid week and a half of non-stop msm bashing and lying about Karl Rove. If all you watched were the big three and all you read was th NYT you would believe that Rove was a leaker, liar, traitor to the United States. And since Bush won't fire, arrest, or lynch Rove; Bush is a liar, moron, deciever, impeachable. Give it a week or two till the Rove BS is straightened out and another "poll" will show differently. I majored in college in politics and let me tell you these polls are easily skewed by type of question and sampling. The media is using polls as of late to make editorial statements... Screw them...

From one poly sci major to another

 

[ThomasPaine]

From one poly sci major to another

to unlearn the socialist dogma sold to you by various professors? Heck I foolishly went back for grad work and then it "dawned" on me...... Even had a prof in Pol. Theory 6452 admit "If your parents knew what we are teaching you they would shut down the program". That was cool though because Socrates in Plato's "Gorgias" says pretty much the same damn thing.. Arrogant anti-establishmentism goes back a loooooonggg way.. YeeeeHaw!!

 

[Annie]

to unlearn the socialist dogma sold to you by various professors? Heck I foolishly went back for grad work and then it "dawned" on me...... Even had a prof in Pol. Theory 6452 admit "If your parents knew what we are teaching you they would shut down the program". That was cool though because Socrates in Plato's "Gorgias" says pretty much the same damn thing.. Arrogant anti-establishmentism goes back a loooooonggg way.. YeeeeHaw!!

I was 'liberal' until I entered college. My liberal profs in sociology and poly sci convinced me of the error of their/and my ways. For the most part, I told them what they wanted to hear. I would NOT go along with forced 'graded' demonstrations and such, I had to petition the university 3 times to avoid having my grade lowered, once I had to threaten to go to the press.

When I returned for my history degree, I didn't tell them what they wanted to hear, but my ability to buttress my arguements was strong enough to make it a non-issue.

 

[ThomasPaine]

I was 'liberal' until I entered college. My liberal profs in sociology and poly sci convinced me of the error of their/and my ways. For the most part, I told them what they wanted to hear. I would NOT go along with forced 'graded' demonstrations and such, I had to petition the university 3 times to avoid having my grade lowered, once I had to threaten to go to the press.

When I returned for my history degree, I didn't tell them what they wanted to hear, but my ability to buttress my arguements was strong enough to make it a non-issue.

washed off me like a dirt suit. But I was raised Dem so old ties died hard. Like Churchill's quote I was liberal till 30 and then "sanity" struck.. I always wonder why it never happened to old friends of mine that just shake their head when I deconstruct their liberalism.. Oh well they're still good folks just misguided.. But I keep trying. There's no telling when a crack in one of their beliefs will widen to conservative enlightenment... Oh, I minored in history and philosophy myself... So I can hold a BS argument and follow it through time... ;-)

 

[Annie]

washed off me like a dirt suit. But I was raised Dem so old ties died hard. Like Churchill's quote I was liberal till 30 and then "sanity" struck.. I always wonder why it never happened to old friends of mine that just shake their head when I deconstruct their liberalism.. Oh well they're still good folks just misguided.. But I keep trying. There's no telling when a crack in one of their beliefs will widen to conservative enlightenment... Oh, I minored in history and philosophy myself... So I can hold a BS argument and follow it through time... ;-)

Us liberal arts majors are good for something.

 

[Nuc]

I was 'liberal' until I entered college. My liberal profs in sociology and poly sci convinced me of the error of their/and my ways. For the most part, I told them what they wanted to hear. I would NOT go along with forced 'graded' demonstrations and such, I had to petition the university 3 times to avoid having my grade lowered, once I had to threaten to go to the press.

When I returned for my history degree, I didn't tell them what they wanted to hear, but my ability to buttress my arguements was strong enough to make it a non-issue.

Interesting conversation. Not to single you out in particular Kathianne, alot of people on this board do it, but are there any political categories other than liberal and conservative?

Is it OK to have conservative beliefs in some areas and liberal in others? Or must all people define themselves one way or another and hew to the party line?

Why the emphasis on reducing everything to either/or?

 

[Annie]

Interesting conversation. Not to single you out in particular Kathianne, alot of people on this board do it, but are there any political categories other than liberal and conservative?

Is it OK to have conservative beliefs in some areas and liberal in others? Or must all people define themselves one way or another and hew to the party line?

Why the emphasis on reducing everything to either/or?

Talking in generalities here, if you bothered to read either of our posts over time, you'd not ask such a lame question.

 

[bock2911]

Well, if you look at Bush's approval ratings right now, they are actaully close to what they were right before the election, and also only a few points lower than right before 9/11. I think this says something about how much America loves Bush in general. And also, the approval after 9/11 would of been similiar for who ever was in office, so if Gore would of won that election, then his numbers would of sky rocketed.

Here is where I looked at his approval ratings, and you would note, it covers a good number of different sources.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

 

[ThomasPaine]

Well, if you look at Bush's approval ratings right now, they are actaully close to what they were right before the election, and also only a few points lower than right before 9/11. I think this says something about how much America loves Bush in general. And also, the approval after 9/11 would of been similiar for who ever was in office, so if Gore would of won that election, then his numbers would of sky rocketed.

Here is where I looked at his approval ratings, and you would note, it covers a good number of different sources.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

would have gotten support but Lord knows what he would have done post 9/11.

 

[Annie]

Well, if you look at Bush's approval ratings right now, they are actaully close to what they were right before the election, and also only a few points lower than right before 9/11. I think this says something about how much America loves Bush in general. And also, the approval after 9/11 would of been similiar for who ever was in office, so if Gore would of won that election, then his numbers would of sky rocketed.

Here is where I looked at his approval ratings, and you would note, it covers a good number of different sources.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

Gore lost, get over it. So did Kerry.

 

[ThomasPaine]

Interesting conversation. Not to single you out in particular Kathianne, alot of people on this board do it, but are there any political categories other than liberal and conservative?

Is it OK to have conservative beliefs in some areas and liberal in others? Or must all people define themselves one way or another and hew to the party line?

Why the emphasis on reducing everything to either/or?

beliefs. Whatever floats your boat. However it is difficult to maintain some crosscurrent beiefs that do not logically cancel each other out. For example say I believe in limited government (which I do of course) but also believe that a federal government should control a certain aspect of the economy, say healthcare. It's a sympathetic Christian understanding that one should assist his fellow man if physically ill. Hence a position for federal health management for all could be seen as both liberal, on a government scale, and conservative, on a religious scale. I don't have problems with such a dicotomy. On the other hand if you're a conservative and adhere to a laissez-faire position on the economy while also believing in federal control of certain aspects of the economy (Social Security Retirement benefits/import export tariffs or quotas/EPA regulations) then I think you're at philosophical crosspoints. It really depends on the individuals ability to hold what appear to be opposing viewpoints in their own minds.

 

[bock2911]

Gore lost, get over it. So did Kerry.

Why do you think my statement of that mean I have not 'moved on' from Gore losing? I admit, I wanted Bush to win in that first election. Why do people here immediately jump on me for just stating a NON-PARTISAN OPINION on the idea that the spike in approval would of occured for any president. I mean, come on guys, am I talking to children or what?

And before you jump on me for the comment:
"I think this says something about how much America loves Bush in general.", I never said I disliked Bush at any point or said America dislikes Bush.