POLL: Open the economy up and go back to work - Stay home and shutdown

[Marion Morrison]

I'm thinking there's shills signing up just to vote this poll.

 

[Marion Morrison]

That’s just your prejudice speaking.

more that was my stomach grumbling

I'm a sm biz, no work, no eat

oppressed by a governance insistent of granting me a loan to say alive as one

with a dismal outlook for sm biz when we are allowed out again

while THEY are fat & happy paying themselves with our tax $$$

~S~

BB gun + rabbit/squirrel.

Makes a meal or 2.

All the tools you need for under $80


Of course $80 can buy enough yardbirds to sustain a familly. If you breed them, enough for forever.

 

[WEATHER53]

So if patient was in hospital once again because of his heart attack history over the last 3 years and he is back but positive with corona and has a heart attack and dies then the attribute cause of death to Corona?

 

[otto105]

So if patient was in hospital once again because of his heart attack history over the last 3 years and he is back but positive with corona and has a heart attack and dies then the attribute cause of death to Corona?

I would say, why was he drinking with the heart condition.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

They already found them, it's just that they have to go through a lot of testing. The earliest all this can be completed is probably next year.

True, but new vaccines are being discovered all the time, look at the test development, company by company
1. CDC painfully slow tests, no capacity
2. Automated tests, faster results (Roche, et.al)
3. 15-minute test results (Avid)
4. 5-minute test results (Abbot Labs)

Vaccines are in testing, but I saw on TV a new one from tobacco plants that might be a game-changer, hope it pans out.

British American Tobacco Claims It’s Close to a Plant-Based COVID-19 Vaccine

In one of the stranger plot twists to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic, British American Tobacco (NYSE: BTI) issued a news release today stating it is helping to develop a COVID-19 vaccine through a process using tobacco plants. Kentucky BioProcessing, a subsidiary of Britis

www.nasdaq.com

I just read a story today out of California. It's a short read if you care to look at it.

'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19

Dr. Jacob Glanville's team took antibodies used to neutralize SARS and used technology in their lab to adapt them to recognize COVID-19.

www.cbs8.com

Thats promising but there is really great news for liberals coming out of the CDC

the docs have announced that erectile dysfunction drugs are useful for fighting the wuhan virus

Great. Now they will want more Planned Parenthood funding in the next stimulus.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

They already found them, it's just that they have to go through a lot of testing. The earliest all this can be completed is probably next year.

True, but new vaccines are being discovered all the time, look at the test development, company by company
1. CDC painfully slow tests, no capacity
2. Automated tests, faster results (Roche, et.al)
3. 15-minute test results (Avid)
4. 5-minute test results (Abbot Labs)

Vaccines are in testing, but I saw on TV a new one from tobacco plants that might be a game-changer, hope it pans out.

British American Tobacco Claims It’s Close to a Plant-Based COVID-19 Vaccine

In one of the stranger plot twists to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic, British American Tobacco (NYSE: BTI) issued a news release today stating it is helping to develop a COVID-19 vaccine through a process using tobacco plants. Kentucky BioProcessing, a subsidiary of Britis

www.nasdaq.com

I just read a story today out of California. It's a short read if you care to look at it.

'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19

Dr. Jacob Glanville's team took antibodies used to neutralize SARS and used technology in their lab to adapt them to recognize COVID-19.

www.cbs8.com

Thats promising but there is really great news for liberals coming out of the CDC

the docs have announced that erectile dysfunction drugs are useful for fighting the wuhan virus

Great. Now they will want more Planned Parenthood funding in the next stimulus.

No more "stimulus", fuck that!

40 acres and a tractor!

 

[Dragonlady]

We need to open up for business, America. America has never tolerated living on her knees in conformity. If we die, we die on our feet. with our boots on . . .

Dumbest post of the year. The same people who say the life of every zygot is precious and we should give people every chance at life, are now saying that saving business is more important than saving people. Right wingers have been brainwashed by the business class, utterly.

 

[U2Edge]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

To the country as a whole. This is a national crises. Were fighting an enemy right now that requires Americans to isolate from each other as much as possible. That's reality. Your primary goal is to isolate your self as much as possible and keep yourself fed. That's why the government is sending Americans 2 Trillion dollars in aid. This is about survival, just like in a Tornado, Hurricane, War etc. When its over, you can go about repairing the damage. Right now, your primary concerns are food, water, shelter and isolation from other people.

The idea that shutting down the non-essential parts of the economy will destroy America forever is absurd. Germany and Japan survived World War II, and they had far more than just non-essential parts of their economy shut down. Those countries were in ruins at the end of 1945, totally bombed out from city to city and in the case of Japan NUKED.

Your county though should address anyone that has problems with FOOD, shelter, water, or electricity until this crises is over.

Putting America on an extended stay at home vacation for 4 months may not destroy America

but it could destroy a lot of American small businesses

not that that would mean anything to you I suppose

We have to put America back to work at the earliest possible moment

Over 1,000 Americans died today from coronavirus and you think this is a time to be worried about non-essential business? Most of these non-essential business's will come back and for the business's that don't, people will migrate to another business.

In the meantime, JAPAN only has 57 deaths despite having an older more vulnerable population. Taiwan only has 5 deaths. The difference in the figures in the United States vs. Japan/Taiwan show the scale of Trump's failure to protect the American population.

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

They already found them, it's just that they have to go through a lot of testing. The earliest all this can be completed is probably next year.

True, but new vaccines are being discovered all the time, look at the test development, company by company
1. CDC painfully slow tests, no capacity
2. Automated tests, faster results (Roche, et.al)
3. 15-minute test results (Avid)
4. 5-minute test results (Abbot Labs)

Vaccines are in testing, but I saw on TV a new one from tobacco plants that might be a game-changer, hope it pans out.

British American Tobacco Claims It’s Close to a Plant-Based COVID-19 Vaccine

In one of the stranger plot twists to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic, British American Tobacco (NYSE: BTI) issued a news release today stating it is helping to develop a COVID-19 vaccine through a process using tobacco plants. Kentucky BioProcessing, a subsidiary of Britis

www.nasdaq.com

I just read a story today out of California. It's a short read if you care to look at it.

'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19

Dr. Jacob Glanville's team took antibodies used to neutralize SARS and used technology in their lab to adapt them to recognize COVID-19.

www.cbs8.com

Thats promising but there is really great news for liberals coming out of the CDC

the docs have announced that erectile dysfunction drugs are useful for fighting the wuhan virus

Great. Now they will want more Planned Parenthood funding in the next stimulus.

No more "stimulus", fuck that!

40 acres and a tractor!

And not a damned Mahindra or chinese tractor either

 

[August West]

We need to open up for business, America. America has never tolerated living on her knees in conformity. If we die, we die on our feet. with our boots on . . .

Dumbest post of the year. The same people who say the life of every zygot is precious and we should give people every chance at life, are now saying that saving business is more important than saving people. Right wingers have been brainwashed by the business class, utterly.

The right wing nuts are now threatening Dr. Fauci. Is anyone surprised? I didn`t think so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anthony-faucis-security-is-stepped-up-as-doctor-and-face-of-us-coronavirus-response-receives-threats/2020/04/01/ff861a16-744d-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

To the country as a whole. This is a national crises. Were fighting an enemy right now that requires Americans to isolate from each other as much as possible. That's reality. Your primary goal is to isolate your self as much as possible and keep yourself fed. That's why the government is sending Americans 2 Trillion dollars in aid. This is about survival, just like in a Tornado, Hurricane, War etc. When its over, you can go about repairing the damage. Right now, your primary concerns are food, water, shelter and isolation from other people.

The idea that shutting down the non-essential parts of the economy will destroy America forever is absurd. Germany and Japan survived World War II, and they had far more than just non-essential parts of their economy shut down. Those countries were in ruins at the end of 1945, totally bombed out from city to city and in the case of Japan NUKED.

Your county though should address anyone that has problems with FOOD, shelter, water, or electricity until this crises is over.

Putting America on an extended stay at home vacation for 4 months may not destroy America

but it could destroy a lot of American small businesses

not that that would mean anything to you I suppose

We have to put America back to work at the earliest possible moment

Over 1,000 Americans died today from coronavirus and you think this is a time to be worried about non-essential business? Most of these non-essential business's will come back and for the business's that don't, people will migrate to another business.

In the meantime, JAPAN only has 57 deaths despite having an older more vulnerable population. Taiwan only has 5 deaths. The difference in the figures in the United States vs. Japan/Taiwan show the scale of Trump's failure to protect the American population.

Japan does not have a national shutdown or quarentine in place like America has

japan is open for business

so is sweden

 

[Mac-7]

We need to open up for business, America. America has never tolerated living on her knees in conformity. If we die, we die on our feet. with our boots on . . .

Dumbest post of the year. The same people who say the life of every zygot is precious and we should give people every chance at life, are now saying that saving business is more important than saving people. Right wingers have been brainwashed by the business class, utterly.

The right wing nuts are now threatening Dr. Fauci. Is anyone surprised? I didn`t think so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anthony-faucis-security-is-stepped-up-as-doctor-and-face-of-us-coronavirus-response-receives-threats/2020/04/01/ff861a16-744d-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html

How do you know they arent liberals?

 

[ScorpioRising007]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Well the problem is many businesses are laying off workers and if we continue to shutdown more will layoff. The government is helping somewhat... but honestly it is hardly any help to the American worker. What does the American worker do who now has health insurance to cover himself and family should they get infected with COVID-19... but won't have that health insurance to cover himself and family should he get fired from his job and lose his healthcare? It is almost like he is better off getting infected before he gets laid off that way health insurance can pay the bill.

What the president needs to do is have an open enrollment period now for ObamaCare and the Marketplace while tons of people are losing their jobs.

 

[kyzr]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Well the problem is many businesses are laying off workers and if we continue to shutdown more will layoff. The government is helping somewhat... but honestly it is hardly any help to the American worker. What does the American worker do who now has health insurance to cover himself and family should they get infected with COVID-19... but won't have that health insurance to cover himself and family should he get fired from his job and lose his healthcare? It is almost like he is better off getting infected before he gets laid off that way health insurance can pay the bill.

What the president needs to do is have an open enrollment period now for ObamaCare and the Marketplace while tons of people are losing their jobs.

You may be right, people w/o healthcare insurance are screwed.

What Issues Will Uninsured People Face with Testing and Treatment for COVID-19?

With COVID-19 cases rising in the US, issues surrounding access to testing and treatment for uninsured individuals have taken on heightened importance. Efforts to limit the spread of the coronaviru…

www.kff.org

 

[sparky]

BB gun + rabbit/squirrel.

good point MM

It's spring turkey season here

what have i too lose?

~S~

 

[August West]

We need to open up for business, America. America has never tolerated living on her knees in conformity. If we die, we die on our feet. with our boots on . . .

Dumbest post of the year. The same people who say the life of every zygot is precious and we should give people every chance at life, are now saying that saving business is more important than saving people. Right wingers have been brainwashed by the business class, utterly.

The right wing nuts are now threatening Dr. Fauci. Is anyone surprised? I didn`t think so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anthony-faucis-security-is-stepped-up-as-doctor-and-face-of-us-coronavirus-response-receives-threats/2020/04/01/ff861a16-744d-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html

How do you know they arent liberals?

MAGAs have a history of science denial. They`re taking a break from attacking climatologists and focusing their ignorance and hatred toward doctors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anthony-faucis-security-is-stepped-up-as-doctor-and-face-of-us-coronavirus-response-receives-threats/2020/04/01/ff861a16-744d-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html

 

[kyzr]

BB gun + rabbit/squirrel.

good point MM

It's spring turkey season here

what have i too lose?

~S~

two calls you need to know:

 

[sparky]

Over 1,000 Americans died today from coronavirus and you think this is a time to be worried about non-essential business? Most of these non-essential business's will come back and for the business's that don't, people will migrate to another business.

What i'me really getting tired of is the public sector (gets a paycheck) telling the private sector (locked down, no paycheck) 'we're all in this together'

~S~

 

[sparky]

BB gun + rabbit/squirrel.

good point MM

It's spring turkey season here

what have i too lose?

~S~

two calls you need to know:

yeah i've the mouth version around here somewhere......~S~

 

[Mac-7]

We need to open up for business, America. America has never tolerated living on her knees in conformity. If we die, we die on our feet. with our boots on . . .

Dumbest post of the year. The same people who say the life of every zygot is precious and we should give people every chance at life, are now saying that saving business is more important than saving people. Right wingers have been brainwashed by the business class, utterly.

The right wing nuts are now threatening Dr. Fauci. Is anyone surprised? I didn`t think so.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anthony-faucis-security-is-stepped-up-as-doctor-and-face-of-us-coronavirus-response-receives-threats/2020/04/01/ff861a16-744d-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html

How do you know they arent liberals?

MAGAs have a history of science denial. They`re taking a break from attacking climatologists and focusing their ignorance and hatred toward doctors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anthony-faucis-security-is-stepped-up-as-doctor-and-face-of-us-coronavirus-response-receives-threats/2020/04/01/ff861a16-744d-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html

MAGAs as you call us do not deny science

just your phony man made global warning doomsday scenario

liberals on the other hand do deny science with the claim that unborn babies are not human beings when science proves otherwise