POLL: Open the economy up and go back to work - Stay home and shutdown

[Redfish]

I find it funny that you use the user name care 4 all, but ignore the FACT that one of the reasons that Italy had so many deaths from this was due to their socialized medicine plan (medicare for all) and its inability to deal with any kind of mass sickness.

Just when I think there is a limit to your stupid, you say "hold my beer". The situation in Italy is the EXACT opposite of what you just said. Italy's death rate is so much higher because they have more older people. Do you know WHY they have more older people, you witless clown? "Socialized Medicine" .

Our hospitals and ICUs are being overwhelmed. What will your excuse be when we start making the same kind of choices over who does or doesn't get a ventilator?

LOL, you never cease to amaze with your stupidity. They have more old people because their young people are not having kids because they cannot afford to support them in that socialistic system. And why can't they afford kids? Because the government is taxing the shit out of them trying to support a failing socialized medicine system. socialized medicine does not ensure longer lives, it only ensures a miserable life. You are so out of touch with reality, its amazing.

Please, by all means, support your claim with actual data to support it. How does younger Italians having fewer children equate to older Italians living longer?

And yes "socialized medicine" does just that, it prolongs life. The Influence of Universal Health Coverage on Life Expectancy at Birth (LEAB) and Healthy Life Expectancy (HALE): A Multi-Country Cross-Sectional Study which is why Italy has such a high mortality rate...they have a lot more older people than anywhere else.

Our hospitals are not being "overwhelmed". that may be true in NYC and parts of Cal, but no where else. Here in NOLA we have a high rate of corona cases but the latest data shows just over half of the hospital beds being used state wide. There is an outbreak in the city, but the rest of the state has very few cases and the hospitals are handling it.

No, phycophantic asswipe, it's not just NY and CA. It's Albany fucking Georgia, it's Virginia. It's towns in the rust belt and the bible belt, all without sufficient beds and equipment to handle the influx of patients they are going to get. This virus is coming to, and overwhelming, a hospital near you.

In NYC they now have the 1000 bed hospital ship to handle the non-corona cases, your idol Madcow said that the ship would never get there as Trump promised-------but it did.

Your lord and savior made you look stupid...again. And you didn't even need his help! Let me guess...some right wing site told you how the Dolt in Chief really "owned that lib Maddow", right? You didn't bother to check if they got their facts right? You should...

like all libs when defeated by the truth, you resort to juvenile insults and raving like a loon.

Your hate is all you have, its very sad.

Once again you peg the irony meter! Get a new shtick, Fish. This "you're too whatever to respond to" is old. Put your big girl panties on and quit running away just because you can't provide facts or answer to whatever stupid thing Trump has you blindly supporting.

then respond intelligently and without the political bullshit. you might gain some measure of credibility since you now have none

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

What logic of mine led you to smear small business owners as fat cats?

You and other libs here have a dismissive attitude towards small business because they are not giggly ecstatic about throwing away years of hard word

but unlike your alleged little circle of libs, for most small businessmen this shutdown does not merely mean 16 years till they buy the private island in the Caribbean instead of only 15

You’re emotional. Get control of your feelings. I’m talking to you and you alone. You don’t represent every small business owner so stop pretending.

Im not dismissive of people losing their businesses. That’s why I supported pumping trillions of government aide to blunt the pain.

It’s your selfish attitude that I take issue with. All I’m saying is that we need to put aside your economic future for a minute to deal with a threat to the lives in our community first. Your dismissive attitude of what is going to get people hurt.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over. Dead people stay dead.

Now knock off the selfish attitude and act like an adult instead of a spoiled brat.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over.

sure

uncle same will send them a check

or two

or three

but that will not always make up for their life savings and years of hard work destroyed by china and globalism

yes, they have to it

but unlike you they dont have to like it

Grow up.

What a throughly inadequate response

but its obvious you are gasping for air at this point

Lots of people are suffering.

No one wants to hear your whiny complaining as if you’re the one that’s truly suffering.

I have said nothing about myself

with libs why does everything have to be about them personally?

and why do they think the rest of us are absorbed about ourselves as they are?

 

[kyzr]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

They already found them, it's just that they have to go through a lot of testing. The earliest all this can be completed is probably next year.

True, but new vaccines are being discovered all the time, look at the test development, company by company
1. CDC painfully slow tests, no capacity
2. Automated tests, faster results (Roche, et.al)
3. 15-minute test results (Avid)
4. 5-minute test results (Abbot Labs)

Vaccines are in testing, but I saw on TV a new one from tobacco plants that might be a game-changer, hope it pans out.

British American Tobacco Claims It’s Close to a Plant-Based COVID-19 Vaccine

In one of the stranger plot twists to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic, British American Tobacco (NYSE: BTI) issued a news release today stating it is helping to develop a COVID-19 vaccine through a process using tobacco plants. Kentucky BioProcessing, a subsidiary of Britis

www.nasdaq.com

I just read a story today out of California. It's a short read if you care to look at it.

'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19

Dr. Jacob Glanville's team took antibodies used to neutralize SARS and used technology in their lab to adapt them to recognize COVID-19.

www.cbs8.com

Exactly the point I'm trying to make!!
The US has millions of really smart people, and when there is a pandemic they work till they drop on promising cures.
That's an anti-body cure if it works. Similar to extracting anti-bodies from the blood of those who had the virus and lived.
The September time-frame will be shortened if I know Trump and if the cure really checks out. Thx.

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

What logic of mine led you to smear small business owners as fat cats?

You and other libs here have a dismissive attitude towards small business because they are not giggly ecstatic about throwing away years of hard word

but unlike your alleged little circle of libs, for most small businessmen this shutdown does not merely mean 16 years till they buy the private island in the Caribbean instead of only 15

You’re emotional. Get control of your feelings. I’m talking to you and you alone. You don’t represent every small business owner so stop pretending.

Im not dismissive of people losing their businesses. That’s why I supported pumping trillions of government aide to blunt the pain.

It’s your selfish attitude that I take issue with. All I’m saying is that we need to put aside your economic future for a minute to deal with a threat to the lives in our community first. Your dismissive attitude of what is going to get people hurt.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over. Dead people stay dead.

Now knock off the selfish attitude and act like an adult instead of a spoiled brat.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over.

sure

uncle same will send them a check

or two

or three

but that will not always make up for their life savings and years of hard work destroyed by china and globalism

yes, they have to it

but unlike you they dont have to like it

Grow up.

What a throughly inadequate response

but its obvious you are gasping for air at this point

Lots of people are suffering.

No one wants to hear your whiny complaining as if you’re the one that’s truly suffering.

And no one wants to hear your petty hate toward small business owners

retire in 15 years to acreage?

get a clue why dont you?

I only called out your selfish rhetoric. You don’t represent all small business owners and therefore I wasn’t criticizing all of them.

I doubt you’ll get this because instead of admitting your selfish attitude you hide behind small business owners to shield yourself from criticism.

You did not call me out

you attacked all small business owners

And why you think you speak for all small business owners?

I speak for more of them than you do since I dont look down my nose at them

 

[OnePercenter]

I'm seeing a lot of discussion but can't figure out who has the majority.

To re-open the US economy in a limited fashion around Easter Monday (4/13/20) with masks, social distancing, no sports venues, no cruises, or major crowds, just minimal re-opening businesses. The object is to keep as many companies in-business as possible.

Trump wants to reopen US businesses in weeks 'not months' even as deaths rise â as it happened

Democrats voted to oppose motion on the coronavirus stimulus bill, while Dr Anthony Fauci and others warn against scaling back social distancing

www.theguardian.com

Or, keep the economy and businesses shutdown until the coronavirus (COVID-19) is under control as recommended by the doctors, even if that means that many businesses would NOT re-open due to the lost revenue and bankruptcy.

Business people that were smart are insured for this. All that were will be fine, and most will probably double-dip. I know I won't.

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

To the country as a whole. This is a national crises. Were fighting an enemy right now that requires Americans to isolate from each other as much as possible. That's reality. Your primary goal is to isolate your self as much as possible and keep yourself fed. That's why the government is sending Americans 2 Trillion dollars in aid. This is about survival, just like in a Tornado, Hurricane, War etc. When its over, you can go about repairing the damage. Right now, your primary concerns are food, water, shelter and isolation from other people.

The idea that shutting down the non-essential parts of the economy will destroy America forever is absurd. Germany and Japan survived World War II, and they had far more than just non-essential parts of their economy shut down. Those countries were in ruins at the end of 1945, totally bombed out from city to city and in the case of Japan NUKED.

Your county though should address anyone that has problems with FOOD, shelter, water, or electricity until this crises is over.

Putting America on an extended stay at home vacation for 4 months may not destroy America

but it could destroy a lot of American small businesses

not that that would mean anything to you I suppose

We have to put America back to work at the earliest possible moment

 

[colfax_m]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

What logic of mine led you to smear small business owners as fat cats?

You and other libs here have a dismissive attitude towards small business because they are not giggly ecstatic about throwing away years of hard word

but unlike your alleged little circle of libs, for most small businessmen this shutdown does not merely mean 16 years till they buy the private island in the Caribbean instead of only 15

You’re emotional. Get control of your feelings. I’m talking to you and you alone. You don’t represent every small business owner so stop pretending.

Im not dismissive of people losing their businesses. That’s why I supported pumping trillions of government aide to blunt the pain.

It’s your selfish attitude that I take issue with. All I’m saying is that we need to put aside your economic future for a minute to deal with a threat to the lives in our community first. Your dismissive attitude of what is going to get people hurt.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over. Dead people stay dead.

Now knock off the selfish attitude and act like an adult instead of a spoiled brat.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over.

sure

uncle same will send them a check

or two

or three

but that will not always make up for their life savings and years of hard work destroyed by china and globalism

yes, they have to it

but unlike you they dont have to like it

Grow up.

What a throughly inadequate response

but its obvious you are gasping for air at this point

Lots of people are suffering.

No one wants to hear your whiny complaining as if you’re the one that’s truly suffering.

And no one wants to hear your petty hate toward small business owners

retire in 15 years to acreage?

get a clue why dont you?

I only called out your selfish rhetoric. You don’t represent all small business owners and therefore I wasn’t criticizing all of them.

I doubt you’ll get this because instead of admitting your selfish attitude you hide behind small business owners to shield yourself from criticism.

You did not call me out

you attacked all small business owners

And why you think you speak for all small business owners?

I speak for more of them than you do since I dont look down my nose at them

That’s just your prejudice speaking.

 

[Seawytch]

I find it funny that you use the user name care 4 all, but ignore the FACT that one of the reasons that Italy had so many deaths from this was due to their socialized medicine plan (medicare for all) and its inability to deal with any kind of mass sickness.

Just when I think there is a limit to your stupid, you say "hold my beer". The situation in Italy is the EXACT opposite of what you just said. Italy's death rate is so much higher because they have more older people. Do you know WHY they have more older people, you witless clown? "Socialized Medicine" .

Our hospitals and ICUs are being overwhelmed. What will your excuse be when we start making the same kind of choices over who does or doesn't get a ventilator?

LOL, you never cease to amaze with your stupidity. They have more old people because their young people are not having kids because they cannot afford to support them in that socialistic system. And why can't they afford kids? Because the government is taxing the shit out of them trying to support a failing socialized medicine system. socialized medicine does not ensure longer lives, it only ensures a miserable life. You are so out of touch with reality, its amazing.

Please, by all means, support your claim with actual data to support it. How does younger Italians having fewer children equate to older Italians living longer?

And yes "socialized medicine" does just that, it prolongs life. The Influence of Universal Health Coverage on Life Expectancy at Birth (LEAB) and Healthy Life Expectancy (HALE): A Multi-Country Cross-Sectional Study which is why Italy has such a high mortality rate...they have a lot more older people than anywhere else.

Our hospitals are not being "overwhelmed". that may be true in NYC and parts of Cal, but no where else. Here in NOLA we have a high rate of corona cases but the latest data shows just over half of the hospital beds being used state wide. There is an outbreak in the city, but the rest of the state has very few cases and the hospitals are handling it.

No, phycophantic asswipe, it's not just NY and CA. It's Albany fucking Georgia, it's Virginia. It's towns in the rust belt and the bible belt, all without sufficient beds and equipment to handle the influx of patients they are going to get. This virus is coming to, and overwhelming, a hospital near you.

In NYC they now have the 1000 bed hospital ship to handle the non-corona cases, your idol Madcow said that the ship would never get there as Trump promised-------but it did.

Your lord and savior made you look stupid...again. And you didn't even need his help! Let me guess...some right wing site told you how the Dolt in Chief really "owned that lib Maddow", right? You didn't bother to check if they got their facts right? You should...

like all libs when defeated by the truth, you resort to juvenile insults and raving like a loon.

Your hate is all you have, its very sad.

Once again you peg the irony meter! Get a new shtick, Fish. This "you're too whatever to respond to" is old. Put your big girl panties on and quit running away just because you can't provide facts or answer to whatever stupid thing Trump has you blindly supporting.

then respond intelligently and without the political bullshit. you might gain some measure of credibility since you now have none

Do you not understand what irony is? You first, Fishy.

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China....

libs an bet the rent money on that

except that they probably believe everything the chicoms tell them

I’m told china has even reopened the wet markets that started this pandemic

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

We have taken significant and very costly mitigation

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

What logic of mine led you to smear small business owners as fat cats?

You and other libs here have a dismissive attitude towards small business because they are not giggly ecstatic about throwing away years of hard word

but unlike your alleged little circle of libs, for most small businessmen this shutdown does not merely mean 16 years till they buy the private island in the Caribbean instead of only 15

You’re emotional. Get control of your feelings. I’m talking to you and you alone. You don’t represent every small business owner so stop pretending.

Im not dismissive of people losing their businesses. That’s why I supported pumping trillions of government aide to blunt the pain.

It’s your selfish attitude that I take issue with. All I’m saying is that we need to put aside your economic future for a minute to deal with a threat to the lives in our community first. Your dismissive attitude of what is going to get people hurt.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over. Dead people stay dead.

Now knock off the selfish attitude and act like an adult instead of a spoiled brat.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over.

sure

uncle sam will send them a check

or two

or three

but that will not always make up for their life savings and years of hard work destroyed by china and globalism

yes, they have to do it

but unlike you they dont have to like it

I don't believe anyone of us individuals is going to come out ahead on this... it's horrible for everyone and everyone's bank account, except maybe the price gougers out there....

I'm sorry things are hard for you and all that you put in to this business of yours.... and it is harder on some than others... but know, that you are not alone....

Your business will not come back as it was, until we mitigate this virus with a vaccine.... and even then, it will probably never be the same.... for any of us.....

I don't know what business you are in, but can some of it be turned in to an internet shop? I have a small internet shop, and business dropped to no sales at all, for a month or longer, then a few days ago, I got my first order, then that afternoon my second, then the next morning my third order then that afternoon my fourth order then at around midnight my 5th order, then a customer contacted me for a custom order for two of my most expensive rugs....

So, it's starting to pick up again, on internet shopping....

I'm sorry things are hard for you and all that you put in to this business of yours.... and it is harder on some than others... but know, that you are not alone....

I have said nothing about myself one way or the other

that was colfax trying to divert attention from his shitty remark

this is about an issue that affects everyone

but I am genuinely pleased to hear that your situation is improving

there may be an explosion of new activity on the internet after this

 

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I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Sweden.......Brazil.............yeah they are doing just that.........They are the lab experiments........

And some are wanting the healthy to get infected so that they can get over it and not be able to spread it ever again...........

Bolsonaro isnt brave. He’s a goddamn lunatic.

Sweden is making modified precautions but they have reason to rest a little easier given their affluent population, sparse population and highly functional health system. If only we had those advantages...

And 6 months from now who will be the one with less damage..........both sides of the equation.............

They are refusing to kill the economy over this...........they are refusing to shut down..........many have said this.............Some are doing it...............

History will decide by how this goes down ..........not your rambling.........might be the worst decision or it may be the best..............we are gonna find out.........and we can't stay shut down forever........we are only delaying the inevitable..............unless the summer shuts it down a bit.

No one is suggesting we stay shut down forever.

If anyone is rambling it’s you’re bizarre stream of consciousness posts.

So ow long is too long?

No one knows for sure.

Yeah they do........they are buying time......getting ready for what will come...........unless some vaccine comes out of no where and ends it.................

What's gonna happen is gonna happen..............like it always does in History..............This is no different.

In time, meaning 1 to 2 years every person in America will be exposed to the chicom virus

it cant be avoided

And about .66% percent of them will die

if they find a vaccine and if they find drugs to treat it the percentage who die may go down

but in any case 10’s of thousands will die in the coming years

Soon we will have to think of the living and come out of hiding And go back to work

 

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I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

No one wants to talk about it, but there is a point where the damage caused to society by a dead economy - even in terms of lost lives - is worse than the effects of the disease.

True, the economy can't take a big shutdown without major damage.
That said, the economy should be able to open with mitigation measures built into the restart.
Masks, testing for Covid, testing for antibodies, distancing, no big crowds, etc.
Gov. Cuomo said that we eventually need to get on with life, dating, socializing, etc.
IMHO that only happens when the vaccines are out and people dating can compare test results first.

and people dating can compare test results first

in the bad old days some people with HIV were known to infect as many sex partners as they could

can you really trust the person you date to tell you the truth?

 

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I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

They already found them, it's just that they have to go through a lot of testing. The earliest all this can be completed is probably next year.

True, but new vaccines are being discovered all the time, look at the test development, company by company
1. CDC painfully slow tests, no capacity
2. Automated tests, faster results (Roche, et.al)
3. 15-minute test results (Avid)
4. 5-minute test results (Abbot Labs)

Vaccines are in testing, but I saw on TV a new one from tobacco plants that might be a game-changer, hope it pans out.

British American Tobacco Claims It’s Close to a Plant-Based COVID-19 Vaccine

In one of the stranger plot twists to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic, British American Tobacco (NYSE: BTI) issued a news release today stating it is helping to develop a COVID-19 vaccine through a process using tobacco plants. Kentucky BioProcessing, a subsidiary of Britis

www.nasdaq.com

I just read a story today out of California. It's a short read if you care to look at it.

'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19

Dr. Jacob Glanville's team took antibodies used to neutralize SARS and used technology in their lab to adapt them to recognize COVID-19.

www.cbs8.com

Thats promising but there is really great news for liberals coming out of the CDC

the docs have announced that erectile dysfunction drugs are useful for fighting the wuhan virus

 

[sparky]

That’s just your prejudice speaking.

more that was my stomach grumbling

I'm a sm biz, no work, no eat

oppressed by a governance insistent of granting me a loan to say alive as one

with a dismal outlook for sm biz when we are allowed out again

while THEY are fat & happy paying themselves with our tax $$$

~S~

 

[kyzr]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

No one wants to talk about it, but there is a point where the damage caused to society by a dead economy - even in terms of lost lives - is worse than the effects of the disease.

True, the economy can't take a big shutdown without major damage.
That said, the economy should be able to open with mitigation measures built into the restart.
Masks, testing for Covid, testing for antibodies, distancing, no big crowds, etc.
Gov. Cuomo said that we eventually need to get on with life, dating, socializing, etc.
IMHO that only happens when the vaccines are out and people dating can compare test results first.

and people dating can compare test results first

in the bad old days some people with HIV were known to infect as many sex partners as they could

can you really trust the person you date to tell you the truth?

Can I trust any of the girls I dated to tell the truth about an STD?
Good question, but I never asked and never got an STD, always dated classy gals.

 

[dblack]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

Isn't it a fact that socialists and fascists NEVER care for individual rights?

.

During times of national emergency, our nation has always focused at fighting the emergency at the cost of individual rights.

Previous generations haven’t been nearly so whiny about it.

Over a 100,000 Americans died in 1957 and 1968 ..........the world didn't get shut down for it..........

Perhaps Tricky dick caused a lot of the Stock Market BS with coming off Gold though..........so the Money laundered bets from the Federal Reserve don't screw the country when someone FARTS.

Still not nearly as bad as COVID-19.

'Based on population then versus now....I disagree.............and give that Statistics on these are EDUCATED GUESSES.........what people GUESS may be WRONG.........

The Virus will do what it wants to do..........you aren't gonna stop it......and they sure as hell haven't stopped it in China...........No damned way they did that.

So the brightest minds that have worked in infectious disease and epidemiology sit you down and say they think COVID could kill 2 million without significant costly mitigation.

No one in the world has the balls to ignore that.

Well put, we can't sacrifice 2.2m for a "brief shutdown".
That said, we can't keep the shutdown going any longer than absolutely necessary, especially knowing that some genius somewhere will find a vaccine or medication this year.

No one wants to talk about it, but there is a point where the damage caused to society by a dead economy - even in terms of lost lives - is worse than the effects of the disease.

True, the economy can't take a big shutdown without major damage.
That said, the economy should be able to open with mitigation measures built into the restart.
Masks, testing for Covid, testing for antibodies, distancing, no big crowds, etc.
Gov. Cuomo said that we eventually need to get on with life, dating, socializing, etc.
IMHO that only happens when the vaccines are out and people dating can compare test results first.

and people dating can compare test results first

in the bad old days some people with HIV were known to infect as many sex partners as they could

can you really trust the person you date to tell you the truth?

Can I trust any of the girls I dated to tell the truth about an STD?
Good question, but I never asked and never got an STD, always dated classy gals.

You think classy girls don't get STDs?

 

[otto105]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

What logic of mine led you to smear small business owners as fat cats?

You and other libs here have a dismissive attitude towards small business because they are not giggly ecstatic about throwing away years of hard word

but unlike your alleged little circle of libs, for most small businessmen this shutdown does not merely mean 16 years till they buy the private island in the Caribbean instead of only 15

You’re emotional. Get control of your feelings. I’m talking to you and you alone. You don’t represent every small business owner so stop pretending.

Im not dismissive of people losing their businesses. That’s why I supported pumping trillions of government aide to blunt the pain.

It’s your selfish attitude that I take issue with. All I’m saying is that we need to put aside your economic future for a minute to deal with a threat to the lives in our community first. Your dismissive attitude of what is going to get people hurt.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over. Dead people stay dead.

Now knock off the selfish attitude and act like an adult instead of a spoiled brat.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over.

sure

uncle same will send them a check

or two

or three

but that will not always make up for their life savings and years of hard work destroyed by china and globalism

yes, they have to it

but unlike you they dont have to like it

Grow up.

What a throughly inadequate response

but its obvious you are gasping for air at this point

Lots of people are suffering.

No one wants to hear your whiny complaining as if you’re the one that’s truly suffering.

I have said nothing about myself

with libs why does everything have to be about them personally?

and why do they think the rest of us are absorbed about ourselves as they are?

You might think that...until your president opens his fucking mouth again.

 

[Mac-7]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Not on USMB. They all seem to be business owners, work from home, independently wealthy, or early retired. I don't recall meeting one liberal on here that is a blue collar worker.

There’s a lot of prejudice against liberals. I’ve been told many times by USMB members that I cannot be successful simply because I have liberal political views.

I'm just giving my observation. I've been here almost five years, and have been in other forums before this one. It's like that everywhere I go. Every liberal is at least college educated. Every liberal has a business or is independently wealthy, or early retired because they made so much money in life. Me??? I'm the only truck driver in the place.

Why don't I believe it? Because I do know "real" wealthy people and business owners, and very few are for Democrat plans of ridiculous taxation, tons of business regulations, more government control of businesses, and a high national minimum wage. These are things the poor usually embrace.

Liberals claim to be business owners yet they think its as easy as putting a sign over the door and raking in the money

they are clueless

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

Essential typically means necessary for survival today. Essential does not mean necessary to retire to an acreage in 15 years.

I would not expect a liberal to understand free enterprise

libs tend to be students, government workers, cogs in a giant corporation or welfare bums

Silly billy. I’m a business owner but one who has their priorities straight.

Is so you should not be dumping hate on small businesses that being hit the hardest by this economic shutdown

I was only dumping on the idea that the economic shutdown is more important than the health and lives of our fellow Americans.

Bullshit

Your stupid comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage was nothing but you looking down on small businesses that are working on a small margin between success and failure

I was only looking down on you and your opinion. The small business owners I know that have shut down are doing so to help the community because that’s their first priority.

Your attitude reflects the opposite.

Thats a typical lib reaction to anyone that disagrees with you

But how can you be sure that all the small businesses you are laughing at are owned by republican white males who married their baby‘s momma’s and believe in God?

you could be celebrating the demise of some of your own kind

What the hell are you talking about?

I explained why I think you’re wrong. You’ve just whined and bitched about me.

I am reacting to your opening comment about retiring in 15 years to acreage that you have yet to take back

Was I not being PC enough for you?

You were being very lib pc by smearing a group that liberals detest

I wasn’t smearing a group. I was attacking your logic. You don’t speak for all small business owners. Or did I miss the vote making you the spokesman?

I wrote:

“if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you”

and you respond by babbling about retirement in 15 years to acreage

you clearly have led a sheltered life

yeah. And I responded by stating your logic is flawed. We are talking about responding to a crisis as a nation by working back to what is essential for the community.

And you responded by determining what is essential for an individual.

Your focusing on the individual over the community is not the right thing to do now.

What logic of mine led you to smear small business owners as fat cats?

You and other libs here have a dismissive attitude towards small business because they are not giggly ecstatic about throwing away years of hard word

but unlike your alleged little circle of libs, for most small businessmen this shutdown does not merely mean 16 years till they buy the private island in the Caribbean instead of only 15

You’re emotional. Get control of your feelings. I’m talking to you and you alone. You don’t represent every small business owner so stop pretending.

Im not dismissive of people losing their businesses. That’s why I supported pumping trillions of government aide to blunt the pain.

It’s your selfish attitude that I take issue with. All I’m saying is that we need to put aside your economic future for a minute to deal with a threat to the lives in our community first. Your dismissive attitude of what is going to get people hurt.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over. Dead people stay dead.

Now knock off the selfish attitude and act like an adult instead of a spoiled brat.

Call me heartless but in my book I worry a lot more about the death of people than I do about the death of a business.

Small business owners get a second chance after this is over.

sure

uncle same will send them a check

or two

or three

but that will not always make up for their life savings and years of hard work destroyed by china and globalism

yes, they have to it

but unlike you they dont have to like it

Grow up.

What a throughly inadequate response

but its obvious you are gasping for air at this point

Lots of people are suffering.

No one wants to hear your whiny complaining as if you’re the one that’s truly suffering.

I have said nothing about myself

with libs why does everything have to be about them personally?

and why do they think the rest of us are absorbed about ourselves as they are?

You might think that...until your president opens his fucking mouth again.

Well, thats your mistake

 

[Contumacious]

I've always been attracted to the upper quintile, albeit them usually being social outcasts , and what i've noted is they may be God's in whatever they do best, but often lack the simple down to earth common sense to apply it toward the rest of their existence

~S~

But you cant have it both ways

Kind of like what they did in 2008, where all the working folks got kind of screwed.

Consider it the government paying you to STAY HOME, just as we paid soldiers to go overseas and fight Nazi's in foreign countries in World War II

As I said before, the ESSENTIAL SERVICES ECONOMY IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. Its never been a better time to be employed in the production and distribution of FOOD and MEDICINE!

I guess it's nice to be considered 'essential' then....

Remember unemployed people

like me> non essential, & wanting to work?

Someone temporarily losing their non-essential service job is nothing compared to the disaster that is happening in hospitals across the country, especially New York City.

Grand, take a few months of w/out pay

and get back to us then

~S~

Sorry, but killing people to open up your non-essential job is not worth it for the country. STAY HOME AND SAVE LIVES! The country is at war with a PATHOGEN and people going to work in their non-essential business's provide the pathogen with a means to spread and kill more people.

There are homeless people out there in worse shape than these people at home from their non-essential business's. Don't aid the enemy, STAY HOME! This is a national effort to defeat the pathogen.

Non essential to who?

if your economic future depends on a small business that you built from the ground up its very essential to you

there are a lot of odd ducks on this forum who are retired or foreigners, or in some other way not part of the regular economy to begin with

but they dont represent most Americans

To the country as a whole. This is a national crises. Were fighting an enemy right now that requires Americans to isolate from each other as much as possible. That's reality. Your primary goal is to isolate your self as much as possible and keep yourself fed. That's why the government is sending Americans 2 Trillion dollars in aid. This is about survival, just like in a Tornado, Hurricane, War etc. When its over, you can go about repairing the damage. Right now, your primary concerns are food, water, shelter and isolation from other people.

The idea that shutting down the non-essential parts of the economy will destroy America forever is absurd. Germany and Japan survived World War II, and they had far more than just non-essential parts of their economy shut down. Those countries were in ruins at the end of 1945, totally bombed out from city to city and in the case of Japan NUKED.

Your county though should address anyone that has problems with FOOD, shelter, water, or electricity until this crises is over.

Putting America on an extended stay at home vacation for 4 months may not destroy America

but it could destroy a lot of American small businesses

not that that would mean anything to you I suppose

We have to put America back to work at the earliest possible moment

Yes, indeed,

The powers-that-be are actually reporting people who are dying with coronavirus rather than dying of it .

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