POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

Does Trump's character and history really matter to you?

  • 1. No. I think America has reached a point where I'm willing to overlook both things.

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • 2. The stories of his character and history are lies spread about those who hate him.

    Votes: 14 35.0%
  • 3. Other (please comment)

    Votes: 24 60.0%

  • Total voters
    40
Right, and with Biden propped up by your Rawstory and motherjones tabloids you got the creepy old guy who showers with hid daughter and the cackling, Venn diagram / coconut tree Princess.
Do you dispute the fact the only thing that stood in the way of trump being held liable for rape is the statutory language in NY's law?
 
Do you dispute the fact the only thing that stood in the way of trump being held liable for rape is the statutory language in NY's law?
I dispute your silly cut and paste nonsense where you intentionally invent garbage claims you can’t support.
 
I've never been convinced that billionaires give a single fuck about the working class. There's my challenge. Change my mind.
 
I dispute your silly cut and paste nonsense where you intentionally invent garbage claims you can’t support.
Do you dispute the fact the only thing that stood in the way of trump being held liable for rape is the statutory language in NY's law?
 
Do you dispute the fact the only thing that stood in the way of trump being held liable for rape is the statutory language in NY's law?
I dispute your silly cut and paste nonsense where you intentionally invent garbage claims you can’t support.
 
Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

'mornin, Dave. I'm just gonna go with pineapple...
 
I dispute your silly cut and paste nonsense where you intentionally invent garbage claims you can’t support.
That's not an answer to my question.
 
As so often with these "polls" we make on USMB, the answer choices are not nearly enough to cover everyone's opinion. Here's mine:

Trump's peccadilloes in his sex life are no more than any other wealthy and powerful man, who is not good at relating to women. The Democrats condoned far worse behavior by Bill Clinton, so their high-handed criticism of Trump is absurd. As to his business dealings, I have yet to see any wrongdoing proven to my satisfaction. In particular the "felonies" for which he was "found guilty" (not convicted) were all done at the advice of his attorney, who witnessed against him, so that case was a joke from the start.

I judge Trump by how successful he was at improving the lives of the American people. Compared to Biden/Harris, he was far more successful, which is why so many who were not members of the "MAGA Base," voted for him.

Those are the people you should be asking about, if your Party is interested in ever winning another election.
 
That’s an answer that hurts your feelings.
There's really no point discussing things with you further if you're going to play these silly games so I'm going to add you to my lengthy ignore list. Good luck.
 

POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump​


What Mac1958 wants is a serious, informative conversation only with people who agree with him, but not the ones he has on IGNORE
 
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