POLL: Let's try to have a serious, interesting, informative conversation about Trump

[Moonglow]

What are you trying to understand? The American People rejected the Democrats' and embraced President Trump.
Why do you think Biden's only term was a failure?

The same reason Trump was not re-elected

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Super. You are forced to retreat to cutting and pasting from far left tabloids.


Troll the checkout lines at the supermarket for more tabloid garbage.

 

[berg80]

Trump isn't perfect. Neither are you and I. We know for a fact that outright lies were told about Trump (Russian Collusion, Rape, etc.)

Let's talk about the case involving E. Jean Carroll.

District Judge Lewis Kaplan has said it multiple times: Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Kaplan wrote it in May 2023, when he presided over one of the trials against Trump. And he reminded jurors of the rape this week, during the latest proceedings in the multi-layered, winding rape and defamation cases brought against Trump by Carroll.

Last spring, author and journalist Carroll sued Trump, testifying that he had raped her decades ago and had defamed her since by denying the accusations. Carroll won that suit. The jury found Trump liable for sexual assault and said he must pay $5 million—but they came short of saying he had raped her due to the legal scope of New York State’s penal code.

In New York, someone can only be convicted of rape if they can prove vaginal penetration by a penis. In Carroll’s testimony, which mirrored what she had described privately for decades and publicly for the first time in 2019, she said Trump used both his fingers and his penis in the assault. But during the trial, the jury had only concluded that Trump had “deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm,” Kaplan’s decision from last year reads.

That the jurors did not find that Carroll had proven rape, Kaplan explained, “does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’” “Indeed,” he continued, “as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Federally, rape is defined as “penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” This broader explanation, while still dependent on penetration, would include assaults using fingers.

Even though Carroll’s case has taken place in the national spotlight, it exists within the confines of civil law. The reason Donald Trump was not found to have raped E. Jean Carroll has less to do with the events detailed in her story, and more to do with the fine print of the state’s legal code.

A federal judge has gone to great lengths to make clear Trump really did rape E. Jean Carroll

Why state-level legal minutiae impacts what words are used to describe the former president's criminal conduct.

www.motherjones.com

I assume you believe Carroll is lying? Even though 26 other women have accused trump of various kinds of sexual assault. Do you see why lots of people believe her? Like the jury.

 

[DonGlock26]

You'd think I'd like Trump, after forty years of fighting the man over the Drug War and making a fortune selling illegal drugs, but I don't go for taking pussy without permission, and I would never have paid over 100k to fuck a skank porn star, I got it for free being in the sex industry.

You fought Trump for 40 years in the drug war and worked in the sex industry? That sounds like a real story to tell.
How did you enlist in the drug war?

 

[Modern Messiah]

Character and accountability didn't matter to 49.7% of voters. But it does matter.

President Trump won the electoral college in a landslide. He also won the popular vote in a landslide. How's come leftists don't want to talk about the popular vote anymore. Let me guess. It doesn't apply to this election. The message was sent loud and clear. The overwhelming majority disagree with your feelings. My suggestion is to stop digging yourself deeper into this hole of TDS that you find yourself trapped in.

 

[DonGlock26]

The same reason Trump was not re-elected

I asked Mac.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

It was no landslide 49.5 percent of the vote is not considered a landslide.

The video is referring to the 2020 election.
Where he lost by 7 million votes.

THAT election was rigged.
This one, of course, IS NOT.

 

[Nostra]

Okay, so I'll pledge to keep any criticism or any degree of attacks out of this conversation. Hopefully you will too, but we'll see how it goes.

Full Disclosure: I've been able to adjust my relationships with my Trump-voting friends and family to where we either don't discuss politics, or we just keep our political conversations at a point where we're agreeing on something. That's it. Those relationships are too important to us to risk. Period.

So I'm going to ask you guys the question I would ask them if I were willing to risk those relationships. It's at the heart of my concerns about MAGA, and I know it's a question often asked by people across the political spectrum who remain horrified about what's happening. But clearly, his base (NOT everyone who voted for him, but his BASE), clearly believe America is in serious danger and he is the one person who can fix this.

Personally, while I have several general issue agreements with MAGA (see link at bottom here), I also believe (as do many across the political spectrum) that getting what I may want politically is not worth selling my soul to anyone (and that's what I think it is), let alone a person of such deeply poor moral character and obvious mental instability. I/we also strongly disagree with this simplistic, heavy, ham-handed approach, refusal to collaborate/innovate, and obvious indications of European-style autocratic authoritarianism. That's just my personal opinion.

Please vote/comment, and no attacks are on the way in response. Thanks in advance.

Where does Mac1958 actually stand on the issues?

OP says "Let's have a serious, informative conversation".............then spews lies throughout his entire OP.

No thanks, Troll.

 

[Mac1958]

What are you trying to understand? The American People rejected the Democrats' and embraced President Trump.
Why do you think Biden's only term was a failure?

If this is too complicated, you're not required to participate.

The questions in the poll are clear and straightforward.

 

[berg80]

I agree. You should go ahead and study up on the results of the 2024 election.
313>226
Did you see how that played out.

Yes. Voters prioritized their anger over inflation above any concern with trump's moral degeneracy.

 

[Mac1958]

OP says "Let's have a serious, informative conversation".............then spews lies throughout his entire OP.

No thanks, Troll.

So my personal opinions are lies?

Okay.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't know why I get my hopes up.

 

[Hollie]

Let's talk about the case involving E. Jean Carroll.

District Judge Lewis Kaplan has said it multiple times: Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Kaplan wrote it in May 2023, when he presided over one of the trials against Trump. And he reminded jurors of the rape this week, during the latest proceedings in the multi-layered, winding rape and defamation cases brought against Trump by Carroll.

Last spring, author and journalist Carroll sued Trump, testifying that he had raped her decades ago and had defamed her since by denying the accusations. Carroll won that suit. The jury found Trump liable for sexual assault and said he must pay $5 million—but they came short of saying he had raped her due to the legal scope of New York State’s penal code.

In New York, someone can only be convicted of rape if they can prove vaginal penetration by a penis. In Carroll’s testimony, which mirrored what she had described privately for decades and publicly for the first time in 2019, she said Trump used both his fingers and his penis in the assault. But during the trial, the jury had only concluded that Trump had “deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm,” Kaplan’s decision from last year reads.

That the jurors did not find that Carroll had proven rape, Kaplan explained, “does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’” “Indeed,” he continued, “as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Federally, rape is defined as “penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” This broader explanation, while still dependent on penetration, would include assaults using fingers.

Even though Carroll’s case has taken place in the national spotlight, it exists within the confines of civil law. The reason Donald Trump was not found to have raped E. Jean Carroll has less to do with the events detailed in her story, and more to do with the fine print of the state’s legal code.

A federal judge has gone to great lengths to make clear Trump really did rape E. Jean Carroll

Why state-level legal minutiae impacts what words are used to describe the former president's criminal conduct.

www.motherjones.com

I assume you believe Carroll is lying? Even though 26 other women have accused trump of various kinds of sexual assault. Do you see why lots of people believe her? Like the jury.

“Indeed,” he continued, “as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Indeed, the jury found no such thing.

I’m delighted you did as directed and scurried out to the supermarket for your motherjones tabloid?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Go pound your Koran in protest.

Maybe, I'll just go touch the Islam orb...............................

 

[Hollie]

Yes. Voters prioritized their anger over inflation above any concern with trump's moral degeneracy.

Ummm, no. Voters prioritized the successes of the first Trump administration aand overwhelmingly rejected the failings of a decrepit Biden and cackling Princess.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Yes. Voters prioritized their anger over inflation above any concern with trump's moral degeneracy.

Another big swing, and another big wiff. Maybe the biggest issue during this election was inflation. A sweeping majority voted accordingly. I'm going to start calling you the strike out king. All hail the strike out king!!!

 

[berg80]

I don't know why I get my hopes up.

You must be an optimist by nature. Cuz expecting trumples to engage in a rational, insult free discussion is like putting raw meat in front of a bear and expecting it not to eat.

 

[Hollie]

Maybe, I'll just go touch the Islam orb...............................


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You continue to make yourself a complete buffoon with undated, unsourced, photoshopped stuff you troll the web to steal.

 

[berg80]

Another big swing, and another big wiff. Maybe the biggest issue during this election was inflation. A sweeping majority voted accordingly. I'm going to start calling you the strike out king. All hail the strike out king!!!

Whatever gets you thru the day my friend.

 

[Hollie]

You must be an optimist by nature. Cuz expecting trumples to engage in a rational, insult free discussion is like putting raw meat in front of a bear and expecting it not to eat.

As claimed by the 12 year old name-calling little lady.